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Democrats still trying to push new mileage tax. Every time you break, they'll be watching you.
Hotair ^ | 03/25/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 03/25/2011 7:10:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Dumb ideas never die in Washington, DC. They just get stuck in committee. Proving that once again is outgoing Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), attempting to revive an idea for a new tax that was so intrusive and unwieldy that even Barack Obama had to disavow it two years ago when his Transportation Secretary starting pushing the notion. Conrad points to a new CBO study saying that taxing Americans on their car mileage will provide a windfall for the federal government:

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) this week released a report that said taxing people based on how many miles they drive is a possible option for raising new revenues and that these taxes could be used to offset the costs of highway maintenance at a time when federal funds are short.

The report discussed the proposal in great detail, including the development of technology that would allow total vehicle miles traveled (VMT) to be tracked, reported and taxed, as well as the pros and cons of mandating the installation of this technology in all vehicles.

“In the past, the efficiency costs of implementing a system of VMT charges — particularly the costs of users’ time for slowing and queuing at tollbooths — would clearly have outweighed the potential benefits from more efficient use of highway capacity,” CBO wrote. “Now, electronic metering and billing are making per-mile charges a practical option.”

The report was requested by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), who held a hearing on transportation funding in early March. In that hearing, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the Obama administration is hoping to spend $556 billion over the next six years, much of which would go to federal transportation improvement projects.

A “practical option” for whom, exactly? Perhaps for the IRS, but certainly not for taxpayers. One shudders to think what happens when the IRS gets your annual mileage wrong and a taxpayer disputes the record. Where were you on the night of April 19th, Canarsie? We show you drove 6.3 miles to Bada-Bing Strip Club in New Jersey. Even if exact destinations aren’t recorded (earlier suggestions were to use GPS devices), the taxpayer would get hit with a massive bill during the annual tax-preparation ritual with little or no chance to dispute the claims of the government.

Plus, let’s talk about equipment costs, both private and public. This new tax system would require tracking equipment in every vehicle, which would mean retrofit costs for current vehicles and higher prices for new cars immediately. What are the unemployed supposed to do — stop driving? That should help when it comes to looking for work.

The government will either have to use GPS devices (that will track and record destination data) or install tollbooth passes every few miles on every road in America. The IRS will also have to set up an enforcement bureau to ensure that drivers don’t disable their tracking systems. In California, this meant that every driver had to get semiannual emission-control equipment inspections, an expensive waste of time and money for most drivers. Will the IRS, which is just now branching out into the health-insurance inspection business, add a national DMV bureau as well?

Finally, do we really want to live in a country where the federal government virtually follows you everywhere you go? Growing up in the Cold War, that’s what we were told the Soviet Union was like. It will be the high-tech version of internal travel documents, or at the very least puts that power in the hands of the federal government.

This is the reason we use the gasoline tax for transportation costs. It doesn’t require the government to track the movements of citizens on a moment-to-moment basis, and it doesn’t require any record-keeping for either the drivers or the government bureau. It’s a point-of-sale transaction that proceeds transparently and relieves the taxpayer of a lump-sum burden at the end of the year.

The problem with the federal budget isn’t a lack of resources. It’s a lack of will to use those resources wisely. The government doesn’t need to track the movements of more than 300 million people to squeeze more revenue out of them — it needs to spend less of their money in the first place.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: conrad; democratstaxes; mileagetax; northdakota; taxes; tyranny
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EVERY MILE YOU TAKE, EVERY TIME YOU BREAK, THEY'LL BE WATCHING YOU...

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1 posted on 03/25/2011 7:10:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh yeah, taxing the already stretched American taxpayer on mileage, coupled with high and rising fuel cost should go over well.


2 posted on 03/25/2011 7:15:00 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: SeekAndFind
The silver lining to this story is that Comrade Conrad will not be running for reelection last year. North Dakota tolerated his loony left positions because, like the late Senator Byrd, he brought home the pork. Unlike Byrd, he is not a legend and has nada chance of reelection. Thus, the retirement announcement.
3 posted on 03/25/2011 7:18:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why bother with incrementalism, the Dems should just cut to the chase and explain that they want to control every dollar you earn to fund their socialist utopia...

There is NO need to increase tax revenues, there IS a need to cut spending. No one up there seems to have the balls to get it done.


4 posted on 03/25/2011 7:19:37 AM PDT by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obviously, the bloated, ugly government monster in D.C. is running out of blood to suck.

Our great grandchildren will probably be fitted with a meter at birth that will register how many breaths they take, and they will pay a Carbon-Emissions Tax on each one.

If they die too young, their families will have to pay a “Failure to Emit Carbon Tax.” The Beast must control and tax every last action of our lives even after death.


5 posted on 03/25/2011 7:20:07 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

They already have a tax based on mileage - the fuel tax.

Now they want to spend billions getting devices installed in cars to get the same effect? What demonrats own the businesses that will get the money?


6 posted on 03/25/2011 7:21:14 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re already paying a tax for that. It’s called the Federal Gasoline Tax.


7 posted on 03/25/2011 7:22:32 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I will not comply.


8 posted on 03/25/2011 7:27:06 AM PDT by Crim
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To: SeekAndFind
EVERY MILE YOU TAKE, EVERY TIME YOU BREAK, THEY'LL BE WATCHING YOU...

EVERY MILE YOU TAKE, EVERY TIME YOU BREAK, THEY'LL BE WATCHING TAXING YOU...

9 posted on 03/25/2011 7:29:31 AM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: SeekAndFind

This calls for a Cloward-Piven strategy: massive civil disobedience that will overwhelm the monitoring and enforcement infrastructure. Don’t install the devices. Disable the ones that are installed. If you’re billed, refuse to pay. The sheer weight of the resistance will collapse the system. It will cost far more to implement and enforce than it will ever generate.


10 posted on 03/25/2011 7:32:05 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too intrusive ! I feel sorry for the truck drivers on all the intrusive rules and regulations they have to put up with ! The CDL laws where every little ticket even to a parking ticket goes against your license and the CDL rules also apply when driving your private vehicle ! And this would be one of many steps to apply these same rules to non-commercial drivers !


11 posted on 03/25/2011 7:32:34 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: mlocher

Guys, guys. It’s ‘Brake’ not Break.


12 posted on 03/25/2011 7:33:50 AM PDT by agere_contra (As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.)
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To: Crim

Then they will imprison you or kill you. I’m not trying to dash your hopes, but the reality is that it’s easy to talk tough on an internet message board. Putting that talk into action is another thing entirely.


13 posted on 03/25/2011 7:36:15 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: SeekAndFind
Why doesn't the government just mandate that paychecks, Social Security checks, pension checks, etc. just be mailed directly to the government?

Once a year, at tax time, they can calculate how much allowance we should get and send it to us.

Too bad for us if we can't make do on it.

14 posted on 03/25/2011 7:36:35 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SeekAndFind

if America hated the 55 MPH speed limit, they are REALLY gonna loathe THIS one!

Very good for our side if they’re stupid enough to actually try it.


15 posted on 03/25/2011 7:37:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: agere_contra
Guys, guys. It’s ‘Brake’ not Break.

Dang it. You just broak my spirit and self esteem.

16 posted on 03/25/2011 7:37:35 AM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Break or brake?


17 posted on 03/25/2011 7:39:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: savedbygrace

Taxes discourage behavior. Think of this tax as a form of social engineering.


18 posted on 03/25/2011 7:40:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Made In The USA
Dems ... want to control every dollar you earn
While that's painfully true, the real reason is to steal our freedom. Once enacted, the tax will be increased to the point you won't be able to drive.
You'll have to sell the car and be forced to take public transportation. Then they'll increase other taxes and you'll be totally broke and totally dependent on the 'gubmint.
It goes hand-in-glove with 0bama wanting gov't control of student loans and healthcare. Cradle to grave dependency and control.
19 posted on 03/25/2011 7:43:38 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Conrad points to a new CBO study saying that taxing Americans on their car mileage will provide a windfall for the federal government”

As if that is a good thing. Money diverted from the productive private economy to the destructive government sector is detrimental to the the good of the country.


20 posted on 03/25/2011 7:47:25 AM PDT by all the best
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To: freedomwarrior998

Whatever.

They will have as much success as....the war on drugs...

What good is drug testing when you can legally buy synthetic human urine?

It only catches the lazy and the stupid...

They will create an instant black market of ways to get around anything they can dream up short of going house to house and actually chipping your fat ass...

I will not comply....this will only tax the lazy and the stupid...

My gas guzzler?

You can have it when you pry me from the hot smoking wreckage!

Molon labe!


21 posted on 03/25/2011 7:52:49 AM PDT by Crim
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think this is likely to ever become law. Having said that I have to admit that I’ve been wrong more than a few times. I have a relatively limited perspective about these things. History shows us that the government has transmogrified almost beyond the Constitution. (Now that I think about it, I’m put in mind of Kafka’s “Metamorphosis” - could that be us nowadays?) And as Mark Twain said, “ ... imagine for a moment that I am an idiot. Then imagine that I’m a member of Congress. Ahh, but I repeat myself ... “. ( or something like that ). So I suppose it is possible that the government might do the most audacious things imaginable. And this tax scheme is pretty audacious.


22 posted on 03/25/2011 7:56:58 AM PDT by hfr (Is the law our servant or master? The government? What is a jury?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Last week they were trying to tax air (wireless communications tax) and now they want to tax you when you move

Tell these people to get the f*ck out of our lives


23 posted on 03/25/2011 8:00:33 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: hfr

I’ll point to the roll back of the encroachments of anti-concealed carry laws as proof that the libtard hoards can be fought back...

The new civil war is already underway....this is the battle field , knowledge and free exchange of ideals are the weapons...

That’s why the libtards seek to control and over run it...

In the free market of ideals..their sauce is weak...


24 posted on 03/25/2011 8:08:23 AM PDT by Crim
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To: SeekAndFind
Heck my GPS not only tells me where to go but what the speed limit is and how fast I am driving

SO could the government not only tell where we went but how fast and if too fast just send a ticket

And you thought traffic cameras stunk

25 posted on 03/25/2011 8:13:12 AM PDT by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: freedomwarrior998; Crim
Crim, I'm with you and I would not comply. FW998, if you want to roll over out of fear of an out-of-control government, that is fine and dandy with me. It is that kind of fear or willingness to acquiesce that the government counts on.

The reality for some of us is that we don't comply with absurd rules and regs. It's really not that hard once you get the hang of it.

26 posted on 03/25/2011 8:13:40 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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the taxpayer would get hit with a massive bill during the annual tax-preparation ritual with little or no chance to dispute the claims of the government.

Actually, I sort of like this... One of the greatest evils ever hoisted on the American public was the federally mandated payroll tax withholdings, so that most people have no idea just how much they're paying in taxes. Just ask someone how much they paid in taxes around April 15th, and 9 out of 10 times you'll get the response, "I got back $$$." Well, I guess now a days that may be right, since about 48% pay no federal income tax. Still I wish they had to write a check for FICA and medicare taxes, even though 1/2 of those taxes are hidden (the "employers portion").

Mark

27 posted on 03/25/2011 8:13:51 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mouser
...and if too fast just send a ticket

More like just take it from your checking account, if they have any say.

28 posted on 03/25/2011 8:15:52 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: SeekAndFind

The last paragraph says it all.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 8:23:22 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: SeekAndFind

they will ask for this tax now...ask for waivers/exemptions for their friend’s later


30 posted on 03/25/2011 8:26:55 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine the impact this nonsense will have on the tourist industry.... it will gut it.

I live on my mountain out in the country where neighbors are few and far between. I have my own water well... we all have our own well. I recently learned that my county intends to install meters on our wells and charge us for our own water. It’s already against state law to collect rain water in barrels or in any other manner. For crying out loud.. I live in N.W. Washington -—where the rain is fricking made!

This damn government needs to get the hell out of my life.... and they better do it before I decide to get into theirs.


31 posted on 03/25/2011 8:27:47 AM PDT by Gator113 (I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I’ll say it....

If they passed a law tommorrow that said you had to get a tattoo on the right cheek of your ass...some people would comply...and some cop would enforce it...

Probably while shooting your dog.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 8:31:35 AM PDT by Crim
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To: SeekAndFind

commerce clause ...everything under the commerce clause.

along with your SSN at birth you’ll get a Federal version of an I_PASS\E_Z Pass etc...device.


33 posted on 03/25/2011 8:46:26 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: freedomwarrior998
Then they will imprison you or kill you. I’m not trying to dash your hopes, but the reality is that it’s easy to talk tough on an internet message board. Putting that talk into action is another thing entirely.

You're exactly right. Marxism is on the rise here in our land and history has taught us well that once in power, the killing begins. Notice the terminology being used in Wisconsin alone and over the top rhetoric, almost infantile accusations (but effective given our ignorant useful idiots), not to mention wherever there are similar demonstrations.

Make no mistake, the idea is to liquidate as many of us as possible. I believe the primary goal is around 25 million of "our kind".

That's a drop in the bucket (and very "doable") compared to what "Uncle Joe" Stalin (nickname courtesy FDR, isn't that precious?) accomplished.

34 posted on 03/25/2011 9:00:39 AM PDT by brushcop
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To: Crim

Weak sauce ... I like the way you said that.

Liberal ideas don’t stand up to critical examination. And their ultimate argument for their ideas always seems to end up being an ad hominem.

It’s still toxic sauce though.


35 posted on 03/25/2011 9:03:50 AM PDT by hfr (Is the law our servant or master? The government? What is a jury?)
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To: hfr

You havent heard of macho sauce aka Alfonzo Rachel ?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=machosauce&aq=4

His sauce is strong...

*cheesygrin*


36 posted on 03/25/2011 9:13:03 AM PDT by Crim
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Big talk, I just don’t believe it. It’s easy to talk big on a message board.


37 posted on 03/25/2011 12:58:53 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998; Crim

You can’t or don’t believe it because you have a compliant citizen mindset. Whatever ...


38 posted on 03/25/2011 1:08:40 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Uh huh. I don’t believe it because internet warriors rarely back up their big talk in real life.


39 posted on 03/25/2011 1:53:07 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

There is nothing ‘warrior’ like in being a self-sufficient, non-conforming citizen. Believe what makes you comfortable in your compliant world. It affects me not.


40 posted on 03/25/2011 2:02:49 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

It’s easy “not to comply” with something that hasn’t been implemented yet.


41 posted on 03/25/2011 2:56:54 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: mouser; All

Last night on Fox business TV there were two guys talking about a new Comm. Satellite that some company tied to FEC and White House had launched. It would be negating GPS when it went into operation. These two men were asking Rep. Issa to investigate the buddy/ buddy situation. Your GPS may not work then, is what they said.


42 posted on 03/25/2011 3:10:04 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: freedomwarrior998
Purposefully obtuse and argumentative, on top of weak and compliant -- good grief, you are pitiful. This country was founded by men and women that did not fear death in the face of living under tyranny. It is so sad to run into weak and compliant folks like you who fear imprisonment and death to the point that they will live like good little pets.

And you know what? ... I lied earlier when I wrote that your weakness affected me not. Actually, it is people that hold beliefs like yours that lead our professional politicians to believe that they can run over citizens like dead skunks in the roadway. It threatens the liberty of everyone else.

Freedom warrior, indeed ... NOT. A poser is what you seem to be.

43 posted on 03/25/2011 3:11:05 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

You presume to know a lot, notice how quick you are to judge what you *think* I believe and how you *think* I behave, all because I dared to question the bold talk safe behind a keyboard on an anonymous message board. In reality, you know absolutely nothing about me. (Hence is the nature of the internet.)

What I said is a fact... it is quite easy to “not comply” with something that hasn’t even been implemented. It is also quite easy to talk about how one will not comply with a host of hypothetical. It is another thing entirely to put that talk into action.

Talk is cheap. Talk on an anonymous internet message board is even cheaper.


44 posted on 03/25/2011 3:46:45 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
"all because I dared to question the bold talk safe behind a keyboard on an anonymous message board."

No. Writing something once might be questioning in good faith, but a sustained series of posts insinuating that I am lying because I'm on a forum amounts to a bit more than that.

"You presume to know a lot, ..."

Nope. My comments in this thread have been directed at your specific comments, and my conclusions come from reading your words.

"Talk on an anonymous internet message board is even cheaper."

It might surprise you to know that Free Republic is much more than an anonymous 'message board'. Over the dozen years that I've been registered, I've made good friendships. There are people here that gather together for everything from political rallies to barbeques with friends. Those that do know me are here and my credibility is out there ready to be smacked down by people with facts. Check back as far as you want, you won't find the smacks.

"In reality, you know absolutely nothing about me."

All I know is from your writing and if you don't want to be judged on that, reconsider posting. From this exchange I do know that I don't care to know you any better. Good day.

45 posted on 03/25/2011 4:36:49 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Gator113
I live on my mountain out in the country where neighbors are few and far between. I have my own water well... we all have our own well. I recently learned that my county intends to install meters on our wells and charge us for our own water.

Sounds like you are going to drill another will that goes unreported. One well for the government, the other well for freedom.

It’s already against state law to collect rain water in barrels or in any other manner.

Do they force you to cover-up swimming pools and stock tanks?

46 posted on 03/25/2011 4:54:04 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Pray for Obama (Psalms 109:8))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
No. Writing something once might be questioning in good faith, but a sustained series of posts insinuating that I am lying because I'm on a forum amounts to a bit more than that.

Let me guess... "It's all about ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!" How dare anyone point out that talk is cheap and action is difficult.

Nope. My comments in this thread have been directed at your specific comments, and my conclusions come from reading your words.

Except your conclusions don't follow. You built a strawman.

It might surprise you to know that Free Republic is much more than an anonymous 'message board'. Over the dozen years that I've been registered, I've made good friendships. There are people here that gather together for everything from political rallies to barbeques with friends. Those that do know me are here and my credibility is out there ready to be smacked down by people with facts. Check back as far as you want, you won't find the smacks.

So, are you willing to post under your real name and address? Are you willing to write out a list of the laws that you are currently not complying with?

All I know is from your writing and if you don't want to be judged on that, reconsider posting. From this exchange I do know that I don't care to know you any better. Good day.

That's fine.

47 posted on 03/25/2011 4:54:56 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: The Theophilus

“Sounds like you are going to drill another will that goes unreported. One well for the government, the other well for freedom.”

I have been studying ways to get around it.... and will.

“Do they force you to cover-up swimming pools and stock tanks? “

No- on the stock tanks. Only indoor pools would be usable where I live.


48 posted on 03/25/2011 5:23:14 PM PDT by Gator113 (I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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