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Chess world rocked by French cheating scandal
The Telegraph ^ | 3/25/2011 | Henry Samuel, Paris

Posted on 03/25/2011 1:02:24 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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To: bruinbirdman

“Cheaters never prosper.”


21 posted on 03/25/2011 1:45:19 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: bruinbirdman

Big stink’n mess.


22 posted on 03/25/2011 1:47:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bruinbirdman

Never would have imagined one could ‘cheat’ at chess.


23 posted on 03/25/2011 1:48:52 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“Did the messages say what pieces the opponent had on the board, and where they were?”

The position would already be known to the cheater’s accomplice. Observation of ongoing games is common. Game scores are kept. Some games are displayed on a monitor or the position is diplayed on a giant electronic chessboard.

The accomplice would essentially play along on the computer, so the computer would always know the position. Then, at a critical time, the accomplice requests the computer’s analysis and relays a suggested move to the cheater. The obstacle - and how they got caught - is in the relaying of messages from human to human.


24 posted on 03/25/2011 1:53:03 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: mmercier

“It is impossible to cheat at chess if the opponent does not take his eye off the board.”

I think using a computer to do analysis is cheating whether or not your opponent takes his eyes off the board.


25 posted on 03/25/2011 1:54:35 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: mmercier
an observed chess match

I don't know what you think people are observing. You're certainly allowed to get up and go to the bathroom. I've observed several games in World Championship matches years ago (Karpov-Kasparov) and I'm pretty sure those guys got up from time to time. In a tournament with multiple tables and lots of people watching from just a few feet away it really wouldn't be difficult to have signals from the player that ask for help and signals from confederates who give it. It all sort of reminds me of Four-Finger-Reese. (Reese was a great Bridge player and an even better Bridge author.)

ML/NJ

26 posted on 03/25/2011 1:58:09 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: KoRn

For tech spying and academic/science/patent cheating, the French are near the top. They are good at demoralizing decent opponents... so i am not surprised they got a computer to help their odds and methods.


27 posted on 03/25/2011 2:02:03 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: KoRn

For tech spying and academic/science/patent cheating, the French are near the top. They are good at demoralizing decent opponents... so i am not surprised they got a computer to help their odds and methods.


28 posted on 03/25/2011 2:02:09 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: bruinbirdman

Figure skating and chess, they are so petty.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 2:03:31 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: swain_forkbeard
"e4"

c5 ....

30 posted on 03/25/2011 2:04:19 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: bruinbirdman
I want to take her "en passant"...


31 posted on 03/25/2011 3:23:17 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

I would prefer a Red Queen but she is definitely someone to loose your head for.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 3:47:10 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: mmercier

I love chess but am terrible. Is proficiency at chess innate or developed?


33 posted on 03/25/2011 6:52:35 PM PDT by b359 (The goat is old and gnarly....)
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To: cicero2k

“One Night in Bangkok...”


34 posted on 03/25/2011 6:54:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: b359
I am not proficient at chess. I just play whenever an opponent is willing.

There are cyber chess programs (chess master) that can help you enjoy the game. There are hundreds of historical strategic tactics demonstrated in this program.

My last partner and me played over a thousand games, one a day for years. I lost about 800 of them. We both started trying to beat the computer.

My 12 year old nephew beat my a$$ in a four move gambit my friggin father taught him. Dad used that on me a hundred times when he taught me the game, but I had to have it done to me again by a 12 year old to remember. Beware the knights opening. Also beware the man who knows what you are trying to do.

35 posted on 03/25/2011 7:54:29 PM PDT by mmercier (every sword has two edges)
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To: raybbr
Mate in three!

yitbos

36 posted on 03/25/2011 8:08:21 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: ml/nj
I do not understand how any signal process can counter the strategy that is within the opposing players mind.

Ruse, feint, simple mistake... all can be used to advantage or detriment, regardless of circumstance.

The observation point was a simple statement that the possibility of moving a piece could be a factor.

It is a necessary game. Very few even know how to play today. It is a sad thing.

37 posted on 03/25/2011 8:14:47 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: mmercier
"Very few even know how to play today."

Fool's mate in two.

yitbos

38 posted on 03/25/2011 11:27:45 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman; A Strict Constructionist
Mate in three!

I kind of doubt it. She's a Grand Master named Women's World Chess Champion Grandmaster Alexandra Kosteniuk


39 posted on 03/26/2011 6:01:50 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: swain_forkbeard
I played the chess maser for years. Never beat the higher levels of that bitch.

One thing I did learn from the program however was the ability to see someone using a strategy derived from a program play that beat me in the past.

Chess is a multidimensional game, more complex than even most players understand. If you are not five moves out, you will lose, unless your opponent is only four moves out.

A chess game is like sex; once started and understood by the players, it just goes on to a natural end.

I am so dying to play...

40 posted on 03/26/2011 11:54:53 PM PDT by mmercier (It is all good)
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