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Verizon and Motorola Execs Give Thumbs-down to Windows Phone 7 (MS oops)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/219914/Verizon_Motorola_Thumbs_down_Windows_Phone_7.html? ^ | 2/17/2011 | Preston Gralla

Posted on 03/25/2011 1:18:00 PM PDT by longtermmemmory

Two of the most important players in the mobile industry, Verizon and Motorola, have essentially called Windows Phone 7 a failure, with a Verizon exec going so far as ...

This is clearly not what Microsoft hoped for when it launched Windows Phone 7 to great fanfare late last year.

The statements from both executives were surprisingly blunt. ...

I do want a strong third OS out there. ... But I still have doubts whether Microsoft will get the traction they are hoping for with Windows Phone 7.

Melone was equally unimpressed with the Nokia-Microsoft deal, explaining:

If you look at our device pipeline for 2011, we have very strong relationships with LG, Samsung, Motorola, HTC, and now Apple. So I think it would take a really compelling device from Nokia or any new vendor to break in. It doesn't mean that it can't happen, but it would have to be really good.

Then, giving one last twist of the knife, he added:

I don't think Verizon needs the Nokia and Microsoft relationship.

...

Christy Wyatt, corporate vice president of software and services product management for Motorola, also weighed in about Windows Phone 7 at the Mobile World Congress, and had only bad things to say. ...

There were a bunch of things that we believed about Microsoft that ended up not being true, ...

In addition, Windows Phone 7 was delayed for so long that Motorola decided to only use Android, and bypass Windows Phone 7. Wyatt also said that Motorola favored Android over Windows Phone 7 because Android is open source, while manufacturers can't customize Windows Phone 7:

We would like an opportunity to create unique value and we don't feel we could with a closed platform.

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(Excerpt) Read more at pcworld.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: android; apple; google; iphone; microsoft; phone; wp7
The new windows phone 7 seems to be the new vista. Technically it is nice but practically it is not so nice.

MS is attempting to immitate iphones locked system. Why buy an immitation when the real deal is the same or less?

MS also failed by not including a removable SD slot. Instead they opted for a proprietary coded microsd chip that is useless.

It is also worth noting that the wp7 uses zune which has been just reported as discontinued.

MS is pushing this cloud BS but all I see and hear is the closing of wallets across the market.

1 posted on 03/25/2011 1:18:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory

Will it have a “Starter Edition” where you aren’t allowed to change the numbers on the speed-dial and they all go to the phone-service for upgrading?
Kinda like the Win7 Starter which doesn’t even allow you to change the desktop-background.


2 posted on 03/25/2011 1:22:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Verizon and Motorola Execs Give Thumbs-down to Windows Phone 7

Bill Gates probably give this thing the thumbs down too. It is a real turd. It's almost criminal.


3 posted on 03/25/2011 1:28:05 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA; All

He left the company long ago.

Does anyone have any technical information to support this statment from verizon and motorola?

Does anyone actually use the windows phone 7? know of anyone?


4 posted on 03/25/2011 1:31:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Clippy must die!.....................


5 posted on 03/25/2011 1:33:09 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: OneWingedShark

I did read you can’t change the starter background and there is no clock on the front screen which carries through to all screens.

no customizing.

no ability to insall your own mp3 or ringtones.

no standard removable sd slot.

and so on


6 posted on 03/25/2011 1:35:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Why would Moto want to mess around with Windows when they have Android?


7 posted on 03/25/2011 1:38:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: adorno

It appears that Motorola and Verizon are on my side of the fence.


8 posted on 03/25/2011 1:39:41 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: longtermmemmory

Wow, smacked down by two of the biggest players in the mobile industry.

Stevie Blamer must be sweating more than usual. The stockholders and board will not be pleased.


9 posted on 03/25/2011 1:41:44 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Steve needs to go.

He’s been an abysmal failure since he took the helm.


10 posted on 03/25/2011 1:45:03 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: longtermmemmory

You can’t hack the Win 7 phone though.

Hacking competition leaves Android, Windows Phone 7 undefeated

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-17/tech/hacking.devices.undefeated.wired_1_blackberry-torch-android-google-chrome?_s=PM:TECH


11 posted on 03/25/2011 1:46:18 PM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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I have an HD7. I came to it from Android (Nexus One). It is an elegant Phone OS that you can certainly see has lots of potential. The Live tiles, front screen are responsive and the app store has a good number of useful apps that are available on other platforms.

I ask all the naysayers to think back to IPhone 1 or the Tmobile G1 (first versions of IOS and Android) and remember how weak the first offerings were.

The person who is discussing the Zune doesn’t really understand what he or she is talking about, the Zune hardware is likely to be discontinued, the software is what MS uses to sync with your desktop. As for MP3, I incorporated a catalog of 20 CD’s (in MP3 format) into my Zune Software, selected which ones I wanted to sync to my phone and am listening to them now so I am not sure what he is talking about.

As for Verizon and Motorola, they have already picked their horse in the race so why does it surprise anyone that they are “anti” Windows Phone 7?


12 posted on 03/25/2011 1:48:24 PM PDT by rightisright (5 out of 4 People can't Do Fractions, and 85% of statistics are made up.)
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To: AFreeBird

from what I am seeing around the net is that the tech crowd thinks this is a good engineered phone. (these are the same people who liked betamax)

The end users are not happy and are more inclined to drift to the android rather than another closed system like the iphone.

RIM was pounded on the stock market today.

Balmer should be making heads roll. Whoever thought of the convoluted cloud system as part of the OS as utitlity strategy should be banished to the former Giligan’s island.


13 posted on 03/25/2011 1:49:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

I recently took the GF to an ATT store. She wanted an iPhone. She broke my old RAZR i gave her when i got my iphone 3gs. I also have an iPad, so she already had some, limited experience with an iDevice.

Anyway, they had a W7 phone display. The store was quite busy... NO ONE, I saw no one even looking at the w7 display. iPhones, Droid phones and blackberrys, but no W7s. And it’s not like they were stuck back in the corner either.

We had to go back a week later to see if her data could transferred from the dead RAZRs. No such luck. But again, no one looking at W7s.

A very small data sampling to be sure. But I thought it was interesting.


14 posted on 03/25/2011 2:04:34 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: rightisright

ok I will bite.

How did you get your MP3 files from your computer into your phone.

Can it be done WITHOUT using the zune?

I have used my windows mobile phones as mp3 players without the need for any middle man software. (ie itunes OR zune)

did you use active sync?


15 posted on 03/25/2011 2:05:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: AFreeBird

the poster here is the first person I have even heard of using the wp7 devices.

I have yet to see a person just using it.


16 posted on 03/25/2011 2:08:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

One more note: while I appreciate the open nature of the Droid OS (I run linux on my laptop), my phone is first and foremost a phone; I don’t want to have to worry about malware and viruses infecting it.

For that reason, I don’t mind the closed garden approach to the apple app store. If I want to hack something, I’ve got my laptop. But at least for my phone, I know the SW I put on it has been vetted to some degree.


17 posted on 03/25/2011 2:11:06 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: All

Discontinued Zune Article:

Five years ago Microsoft made the decision to invest a lot of time and creative effort to design a product that was to rival Apple’s iPod. The Zune was supposed to be the alternative for the non-conformists who didn’t want to contribute their $200 to Steve Jobs’ plan to take over the world.

Today, Microsoft has announced they will stop production of future Zune devices in North America. The product that was supposed to save us from the culture-defining Apple machine is being laid to rest. All hope is now lost.

The Zune has been ridiculed since it’s arrival in 2006 when Microsoft declared digital war on Apple. CEO Steve Ballmer made the bold statement that “we can beat [Apple], but it won’t be easy.”

Roughly five years later the iPod continues to dominate 77 percent of the market, while the Zune fails to crack the top 5 best selling mp3 players. This is baffling because for the life of me I can’t name one other mp3 player, let alone four.

Microsoft has not officially given up on the Zune, but in a statement to Bloomberg Microsoft said that they are shifting focus to creating smart phones that support the Zune technology.

“We are thrilled by the consumer excitement for Zune across many new platforms, including Windows Phone 7 and Xbox 360. Our long-term strategy focuses on the strength of the entire Zune ecosystem across Microsoft platforms.”

In related news they are also excited to announce that the Zune HD has recently been released in Canada to much fanfare.

The Zune was supposed to be a cheaper and more accessible alternative to the iPod, but due to the fact the device is only compatible with the Microsoft operating system it never had the opportunity to catch on the with the Apple-loving public. And as MacBooks have continued to pop up in every office, coffee shop and college dorm, the market for a device the solely operates on Windows computers is quickly vanishing.

In addition the Zune wasn’t remotely successful with inventing culture from technology. For example, when the iPod was released, the white ear-bud headphones were basically a fashion accessory. When the Zune was released it quickly became nothing more than a punchline.

However after hearing the news, that the Zune we were too lazy to give away is officially off the market. We at Death And Taxes are now officially rescinded our offer to give away our brand new, unopened Zune HD for free.

Now I’m planning on framing it, and passing it down through generations of my family, as a pointless heirloom. I’ll convince the foolish youngins’ that in time it’ll have unmeasurable worth, and it will be passed down to my great great grandchildren.

Then one day when my family is short on money (which if they are anything like me, they probably will be), they’ll take the mint condition Zune to a pawn shop or on “Antiques Roadshow” where they will find out that it’s completely worthless.

The Zune may be on it’s last legs, but hopefully the joke will never die.
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/tag/zune-discontinued/

see also:

http://www.businessinsider.com/zune-2011-3?op=1


18 posted on 03/25/2011 2:16:40 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Why are you posting old articles?


19 posted on 03/25/2011 2:20:14 PM PDT by rivercat (Typed on my OSX-free MBP! Windows 7 (SP1) FTW!)
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To: rivercat

it is not posted before.
wp7 just hit the cdma system
zune was just recently cancelled
there is another show happening right now for mobile phones (cima?)

WP7 is so behind the curve there is a very limited amount of info out there. I was considereding migrating to wp7 and this was useful to me so I thought I would share.


20 posted on 03/25/2011 2:25:38 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
...due to the fact the device is only compatible with the Microsoft operating system it never had the opportunity to catch on the with the Apple-loving public. And as MacBooks have continued to pop up in every office, coffee shop and college dorm, the market for a device the solely operates on Windows computers is quickly vanishing.

Talk about a change, and I think this is the breakover point for MS. They can no longer leverage their desktop monopoly to force people into Microsoft products.

21 posted on 03/25/2011 2:36:11 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: longtermmemmory

I’m using the Windows Phone 7 launcher on my Droid....which is pretty cool. Other than that, I’ll stick with Android.


22 posted on 03/25/2011 2:45:59 PM PDT by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: Richard Kimball

And it took a lowly little cellphone to crack it. Who would have thunk it.


23 posted on 03/25/2011 2:46:05 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Richard Kimball

I still do not see “mac” offices. For the office envirionment it is still windows.

What changed the game was when iphones could hock into regualar windows pc’s for individual users.


24 posted on 03/25/2011 2:57:15 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

does anyone know of a good smartphone website with tips and tricks? one which has all the phones addressed?


25 posted on 03/25/2011 3:04:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Google’s location data collection functions on Motorola’s devices

I don’t trust Google, Microsoft either but Google much less. Eric Schmidt gave, gives me the creeps.


26 posted on 03/25/2011 3:40:30 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I have an iPhone and a BlackBerry Tour, and I've worked a lot with Android OS.

The Windows 7 phone OS is a joke. I can't believe anyone buys (or tries to sell) them.

27 posted on 03/25/2011 3:45:20 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

how can those functions be turned off.


28 posted on 03/25/2011 4:54:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

You’ve got me? I use an iPhone which lets you turn location and other items off. Hope Apple doesn’t have me fooled.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 5:24:45 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I still do not see “mac” offices. For the office envirionment it is still windows.

What changed the game was when iphones could hock into regualar windows pc’s for individual user

I'm not so sure about that. I think the eal game changers in the office are the iPad and iPhone. The MS-Windows folk in my corporate IT were forced to make their email servers and calendar work with iPhones. It was a bit of a battle, but whtn the CEO says "make email work on my iPhone", stuff happens.

Now, iPhones are the corporate standard. I have my own personal phone because all I want my phone to do is make calls and occasionally text. I've seen too many people get sucked into the work email thing 24x7. Screw that. If I ever want to get a corporate phone though, it will be an iPhone because to do otherwise requires a waiver or special request.

I just wish like hell we could get some momentum behind something less proprietary than exchange email.



30 posted on 03/25/2011 6:59:31 PM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: longtermmemmory

Android Forums & Windows Phone Discussion @ xda-developers

http://forum.xda-developers.com/


31 posted on 03/25/2011 7:15:05 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Figures don't lie, liars figure!)
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To: All

I have been using WP7 (samsung focus) since shortly after release as the company guinea pig. I have an iPhone as well (1.5 yrs), a touch, and I’m typing this from my iPad.
The samsung is a very nice phone compared to the other WP7’s and with it’s super amoled screen it’s truly beautiful and elegant. Probably best of The WP7 breed.
Very intuitive, fast, crash proof, and fluid OS.
The Outlook interface with Exchange is unrivaled in my view.  As it should be when the project head is the former MS Exchange dev head.
IPhone easily tops it as it does android.

I put it like this to the boss. At release it’s in the same city as iPhone.

With the 1st update called “nodo” (not on samsung yet, saw it on Sprint HTC Arrive) it’s in the same ballpark.

If the rumoured “Mango” update delivers ie9 mobile as shown at a recent conference which leverages the GPU it will be at the same table.

Again, if it happens it will have pretty well caught up to the iPhone in under a year.  Not talking sales of course.

As for the cloud thing, I didn’t think I would care for it, but I’m finding it useful.  25GB is nice, or is it 50, i forget.  I’m not gonna run it out any time soon.

When the Focus starts shipping with the nodo update built in I believe we’ll be purchasing about 150 of them.

Will be interesting to watch.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 8:07:42 PM PDT by toddly
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To: Hodar

Old news...

And, Verizon and the other service providers will be supporting WM7, and via whatever smartphones do support WM7.

And, hey, did you forget the Nokia agreement to carry WM7 on it’s smartphones? That’s the largest cell-phone maker in the world.

So, it appears that you are wrong again, on all counts, especially when it comes to Verizon, which is still supporting WM7 and will have no choice but to continue doing so. One executive does not speak for the whole company.


33 posted on 03/26/2011 8:31:18 AM PDT by adorno
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To: AFreeBird
And it took a lowly little cellphone to crack it.

Wrong!

The vast majority of cellphones are not "smartphones", which is where WM7 and iPhone and Android are competing. As of today, the smartphones are a very small portion of the overall cellphone market, and the smartphone market is still very young, and anything can happen. In comparison, the Windows market is into the billions of customers, and smartphones aren't even anywhere close to that kind of penetration.
34 posted on 03/26/2011 8:36:26 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

Windows and Office are MS’s cash cows and have been forever. Those are safe.

They’re probably not going to win this new market and neither will Apple or HP. Android is going to walk away with this one and it’s a *big* market coming up.


35 posted on 03/26/2011 8:42:54 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
Android is going to walk away with this one and it’s a *big* market coming up.

Android is too fragmented, and it lacks the professional apps to really make a go at it.

Once Nokia gets going with WM7, the marketplace will have been redefined again, and Android with become just another player, in second or third place as far as smartphone OSes, and even as a tablet OS, plus, Google has turned out to be not too trustworthy with people's data, and people are becoming too leery about the spy network.

I'm pretty sure that Google and Apple are paying close attention to WM7 and the upcoming Windows 8, and are beginning to worry about what Microsoft has up its sleeves. WM7 may be the newest and the underdog, but, we're still talking about Microsoft, and if anyone rules them out this early, it could be at their own peril.
36 posted on 03/26/2011 5:21:18 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

Do you work for MS? I like their stuff but wow. I don’t think WM7’s going to hit 10%, much less take over Android!

They’ve had bad luck on this mobile market with this and Zune.


37 posted on 03/26/2011 5:26:10 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: longtermmemmory

Both my kids (in their 20’s) have them and like them very much indeed.

Cheers,

knewshound


38 posted on 03/26/2011 5:32:00 PM PDT by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: Tolsti2
Do you work for MS?

No, I don't. And I never wanted to work for them.

I like their stuff but wow.

I like whatever stuff they produce which gets the job done for me, but, I feel the same for the others who provide similar stuff.

I don’t think WM7’s going to hit 10%, much less take over Android!

Like I said in my previous post, it's still very early in the smartphone field, and with a finicky market, where people normally go for the latest and greatest and coolest and prettiest every time their contract expires, and where the new and improved gadgets are coming at you at a very rapid pace, then that would make the smartphone market very unstable for any one maker and for any one service provider, and a new leader could arise quickly, depending upon what the newest and slickest features are.

They’ve had bad luck on this mobile market with this and Zune.

I don't believe Microsoft ever looked at Zune as a money maker, and they never tried to market the thing. The fact is that, there were and are many who believe that the Zune was/is actually a superior product to the iPods. But, neglecting a product tends to make it unnoticeable.

But, when it comes to smartphones, Microsoft was one of the biggest players with Windows Mobile Phones, and they were caught sleeping when the iPhone came out. But, thought the iPhone took the lead and did very well for Apple's bottom line, the overall market is still very young and the majority of cellphone users have not migrated to the smartphones. Thus, there is still a very large potential market for WM7, and even for Android or iPhones. Being late to the game is a handicap, but, Microsoft CANNOT afford to not make a winner of the WM7 or the WM8, because, this is the future of computing, and Microsoft is about computing, even if those gadgets also have the capabilities of being phones. Same with tablets, and with WM8, I'm pretty sure that they'll be in that field for keeps, and being the giant it is, and with the OS track record it has built over the years, Microsoft will, the way I see it, become dominant in that area too.

People tend to forget that Microsoft is still the biggest tech company around, even if Apple is bigger on the market cap area. Google is a competitor in the smartphone market, but only because they got into the game early, but, with time, Android will recede into "also ran" status. Apple will continue to be profitable in the smartphone arena, but, they too will recede to being a traditional 5-10% position, just like in the rest of the computer related areas where Apple has never broke beyond 10%. It takes time to establish a real winner, and a market cannot be defined by just 2 or 3 years worth of usage, and not especially when the form factor is still very evolutionary.

So, that's why I wouldn't rule out Microsoft in this, basically, "new" field. In this new field, brand loyalty is not going to decide the winner.
39 posted on 03/27/2011 6:52:44 AM PDT by adorno
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To: longtermmemmory
I just dumped Verizon for one of my devices. Their "greeter" at the store in the local mall treated me like a homeless person (yeah, I've got that "look") and it pixxed me off no end. She became very impatient with me.

I've had my phone service with AT&T since 2002 and have never had a complaint with their service.

Some big companies, like Verizon, think they are doing you a favor because they allow you on their network.

40 posted on 03/27/2011 6:57:52 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: longtermmemmory
I just dumped Verizon for one of my devices. Their "greeter" at the store in the local mall treated me like a homeless person (yeah, I've got that "look") and it pixxed me off no end. She became very impatient with me.

I've had my phone service with AT&T since 2002 and have never had a complaint with their service.

Some big companies, like Verizon, think they are doing you a favor because they allow you on their network.

41 posted on 03/27/2011 6:58:04 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: adorno
Did you read the article? If you had, you would have read that Verizon Communications Chief Technology Officer Tony Melone said:

I do want a strong third OS out there. It gives the carriers more flexibility and balances the interests of all the parties. But I still have doubts whether Microsoft will get the traction they are hoping for with Windows Phone 7.

I don't think Verizon needs the Nokia and Microsoft relationship. Right now the three OS players we see for our network are Android, Apple, and RIM

So, let's re-cap. The Chief Technology Officer of Verizon, Christy Wyatt, Corp. VP of Software and Services Product Management for Motorola and I have all pronounced Win7 Mobile DOA.

And YOU say I've got it wrong again? I like my hand, I'm not discarding any cards. Do you need another 5?

I never said that Verizon wouldn't carry any Win7 phones. You carry the turds so your good phones look even better. Win7 is going to be the reference turd that all are compared against. As for the "One executive .....". I didn't know that Verizon was a Democracy.

42 posted on 03/27/2011 4:18:59 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar
Did you read the article?

Yes, I did. Twice. I read it when it first came out, about 1 1/2 months ago, and this last time. In the tech world, where news is being made on a daily basis, that's old news! Where have you been?

If you had, you would have read that Verizon Communications Chief Technology Officer Tony Melone said:

I do want a strong third OS out there. It gives the carriers more flexibility and balances the interests of all the parties. But I still have doubts whether Microsoft will get the traction they are hoping for with Windows Phone 7.


If you would learn to analyze what YOU read, the key word in that statement by Melone is "doubts", and doubts is not how a big corporation makes billion dollar decisions, especially when the WM7 was, at the time of the statement, barely 4 months old. That executive was making knee-jerk reaction statements about a fairly new player in the market. That's not good executive thinking.

I don't think Verizon needs the Nokia and Microsoft relationship. Right now the three OS players we see for our network are Android, Apple, and RIM

It's not about what YOU think. It's about a realization that, Microsoft is in it to stay, and become one of the biggest players and perhaps the biggest. Nobody in business or in his right mind would dare to give up on the biggest player in technology out there. That would be the ultimate in stupidity.

With Nokia, Microsoft automatically became one of the biggest players in the market, and perhaps, within a year's time, the biggest. Nokia is still the biggest provider of cellphones/smartphones around the world. To discount that reality is to be, again, the ultimate in stupidity.

So, let's re-cap.

That's so silly. Recapping nonsense. You first need to get into the real world, where knee-jerk reactions and fanboism are not the norm.

The Chief Technology Officer of Verizon, Christy Wyatt, Corp. VP of Software and Services Product Management for Motorola and I have all pronounced Win7 Mobile DOA.

Yet, they are stuck with providing cell-phone service, "just in case" it's not DOA like Mr Wyatt said. That's hypocritical, and not a wise business decision if it was really something that they believed to be DOA.

But, with ATT/T-Mobile becoming the biggest mobile service provider in the industry, Verizon will have to continue to support WM7, otherwise, they could be giving up to ATT, most of the business that would come from WM7, which a lot of other industry experts say is a very good OS, and to many, even better than iOS or Android.

And YOU say I've got it wrong again?

When you make PREDICTIONS, you don't know if you're right or wrong. You'd have to wait for the future to get here before determining if you were right with your predictions.

I like my hand, I'm not discarding any cards. Do you need another 5?

I would bet that, within 2 years, Microsoft will become, again, the biggest player in another field in which they were late to the game. One would have to be utterly stupid to disregard the biggest player in the tech field, especially one that cannot afford to give up on the mobile sector.

I never said that Verizon wouldn't carry any Win7 phones.

Yet, you like to quote others at Verizon who claim the "DOA" status for WM7. It sounds like you're wishing that Verizon wouldn't carry WM7 and turn it into the "loser" that you wish for.

You carry the turds so your good phones look even better.

NO! Verizon is being very careful, knowing that, WM7 is here to stay, executive statements notwithstanding. Those executive at Verizon were, more than likely, lighting a fire under Microsoft's ass, trying to get them to make their product "better", or at least competitive. Verizon was burned once before with the Kin, and they're not about to get burned again. So, while you may have seen the statement from the executives as a negative, I see it as a positive, in which Microsoft is getting s swift kick in the ass to get them to support their product better. It's more of a wake up call than a real belief that WM7 can't be competitive. Am i being too analytical for you. Are you keeping up?

Win7 is going to be the reference turd that all are compared against.

That's such a stupid statement, and it sounds like something that a 10 year old would say.

Look, the computing field has moved on to a new form factor, and as such, it's a wake up call to Microsoft and to Intel that they need to become real players in the "new" field. Microsoft has done so with WM7, and in fact, it already has a much better support system than Android or iOS, and after a few short months, it's got more than 10,000 apps for WM7. And, the infrastructure is much bigger than Android and iOS combined, where anyone that has ever developed or will develop, with Microsoft technology, will be capable of writing for WM7, and even the future tablet OS, WM8. So, your childish thought process is lacking in reality.

As for the "One executive .....". I didn't know that Verizon was a Democracy.

One executive does not a company make, unless it's a one man operation.

Verizon is huge, and I actually used to be a consultant with them before they became Verizon. Believe me, it's not a one man operation and it's not a one executive operation. Decisions and statements are made with very careful consideration. It's doubtful that what Verizon said or felt a couple of months ago is going to be the way forward with WM7. They, no doubt, will want to be the prime service provider for WM7/Nokia phones when they start coming out in a few months.

So, stop the foolishness and start thinking like a real businessperson would. Oh, I forget... you're just another MS hater and you're the type that believes in ABM.

BTW, that Verizon comment 1 1/2 months ago, generated a lot of discussions in a lot of different forums. I too was engaged in one of those at ZDNet, and that's way before you noticed this latest re-incarnation of that article. So, when it comes to being informed about tech news, it seems that it's you that's late to the news.
43 posted on 03/28/2011 6:29:45 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
Source

This report is saying that MS has sold upwards of 3.38 Million phones since launch, of which 877K occurred in February. It then goes on to state that an update named "NoDo", scheduled for later this month will not add multi-tasking, something that the competitors have had for quite a while. The update that adds multi-tasking is scheduled for later this year.

Now, when you add the fact that many of the pushed MS updates have successfully bricked Samsung phones, that not only are they over a year late in delivery, but their delivery does not support features found in most modern phones, I find myself not feeling as optimistic as you do. Let's look at base competency, shall we? Late to market (that's SOP for MSFT), underfeatured, and here's the kicker. With LIMITED hardware support - they managed to brick a substancial number of their extremely limited hardware devices. Has MSFT ever heard of Software Quality Assurance? It would appear that MSFT thinks that paying consumers who depend upon their cell phones for day to day life; should also be their Beta testers.

Sheer size and funding of a company, cannot and has not successfully driven and sustained meaningful product sales. Let's look at the Zune and the MSFT Surface and Surface 2. If you bought a Zune, I'm sorry. MSFT has been fiddling around with Surface for nearly 10 years. And what do they have to show for it?

It's kind of pathetic, really. You call me a MSFT hater - and the fact is that I've been a MSFT user for decades. But, if namecalling is the best you can do; and that appears to be about all that you can do - so be it. I'm simply pointing out that MSFT has lost their edge.

Look at the stunning lack of maturity they presented to the public when they launched Win7 mobile a year late. They held a funeral parade through Redmond, dressed in black robes, with floats of the iPhone, Android and Blackberry. People everywhere cringed in embarassment. This was hardly the sort of display you would have seen under managment that propelled MSFT onto the world-stage. And it's indicative of where MSFT is going. Instead of delivering a solid, robust, feature rich, intuitive architecture that speaks for itself; it's become about throwing money and delivering a product that is obsolete before it hits the market.

RIM's fourth-quarter shipments of 14.9 million were slightly behind the 16.2 million iPhones sold by Apple in its fourth quarter ending December.


44 posted on 03/28/2011 7:55:59 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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Why do you insist on continuing this silly argument?

I don’t have a horse in this smartphone race, and I really don’t care who wins or loses, as long as I can get done whatever I need to do with whatever is available. Get it?

My only argument is that, it’s way too early to call winners and losers in the race. Back in the late 1980s, Microsoft was way behind when it came to their OS for PCs, and yet, with perseverance, they outran everybody and ended up quite comfortably ahead of every other OS. It took them years to pull ahead and then a lot more years to increase that lead to the point where they’ver virtually unchallengeable on the PC OS arena.

They find themselves in the same position with WM7 against, basically, 2 other competitors. But, coming from behind is something that Microsoft has been able to do before to finally become the leader. Nobody expected Xbox to compete against the WII or against Playstation, but, with perseverance and with a good product and good support, they’ve finally pulled ahead of the others.

If history is any indication, Microsoft has the assets and the will and perseverance to make the gains necessary to become the “winner” again, in this new challenge. And, this is a challenge which they’re going to have to stay in, because, this is the new sector in the computing arena, and to pull out would be tantamount to declaring themselves dead and done.

So, no matter how much you wish otherwise, Microsoft’s WM7 is here to stay, and it doesn’t matter if their sales are moribund for a year or so. The competition is for the long run, and in a very finicky market, where people change providers and phones too often, and where there is really no brand loyalty, the market is far from settled, and the declaration of a winner is really years into the future.

The fact is that, when it comes to WM7, it’s already ahead of what iPhones and Androids offered at the same stage of its life. NoDo has been release and the updates are being carried out, and within a few short weeks, everybody will be caught up with the updates. Once the next update comes along, somewhere in the fall, feature-wise, there won’t be much of a difference amongst the smartphones. Everything from that point on will be dependent upon the support and infrastructure that comes with the OS providers and the cell phone service providers.

But, this is still a very silly argument, on either side, since, nobody can predict how the smartphone or tablet market will have changed in 1 or 2 or 3 years. This is a long-term battle, and I would put my money on Microsoft, not because I love them or anything, but, because, they are the ones with the muscle and the money and the infrastructure to pull ahead of everyone else.

Talk to me in a year or two, and we’ll see who was correct in the analysis and opinions and predictions. Like I said, I don’t really care who wins, but, I would be very foolish to bet against Microsoft.

Sales figures for a few months are meaningless when the battle will be around for many years to come. If sales figures were to be the determining factor for whether a company should stay or pull out, then the Xbox would never have become the winner it is today. Being simple-minded and short-sighted isn’t forward looking at all.


45 posted on 03/28/2011 2:57:42 PM PDT by adorno
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