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Alleged victim: Priests used me as a child sex slave
Times Union ^ | March 25, 2011 | BRENDAN J. LYONS

Posted on 03/25/2011 3:07:04 PM PDT by WaterBoard

COLONIE -- "Treat him like you treat me. Give him God's love," he recalled the priest saying.

The bedroom door would close as a second priest would allegedly rape the little boy. When it was over, the victim said, the Rev. Alan Jupin would walk him to a bathroom where a third priest, seated, would make him perform oral sex."

Bishop Hubbard announced he had suspended three of the priests: Jupin, Louis Douglas, 82, and Donald Ophals, 77. It's at least the second time since 2003 the three priests have been accused of sexual molestation.

"Since 2002 we've removed 24 priests and one deacon from clergy because reasonable ground were found to believe they sexually abused a minor," - Rev. Kenneth Doyle, the diocese's chancellor for public information

(Excerpt) Read more at timesunion.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: allegations; catholic; pedophilia; priests

1 posted on 03/25/2011 3:07:06 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

Does anyone have any ideas for how seminaries could screen for these freaks?

Far too many are getting through. There should be exactly 0.


2 posted on 03/25/2011 3:11:08 PM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Soothesayer

Look at their ages, they were part of the 60’s crowd.


3 posted on 03/25/2011 3:12:59 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: WaterBoard

In a press release this Saturday, the diocese released the names of the priests who’ve been placed on administrative leave:

73 year-old-Reverend Alan Jupin from the our Lady of Fatima Parish in Schenectady,

77-year-old Reverend Donald Ophals of the Saint Francis De Sales Parish in Troy, and

82- year-old Reverend Louis Douglas of the Saint Catherine of Siena Parish in Albany

The Rev. John Bertolucci — a fourth priest accused with Jupin, Ophals and Douglas — was removed from ministry by Hubbard in 2002 based on unrelated sexual abuse allegations.


4 posted on 03/25/2011 3:14:07 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: Soothesayer

“Does anyone have any ideas for how seminaries could screen for these freaks?”

Why should the Catholics screen for them when the military is supposed to stop screening for them soon?


5 posted on 03/25/2011 3:14:49 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: WaterBoard

Goldfarb says the diocese referred the new allegation to the Albany County District Attorney’s office and was told criminal proceedings will not be pursued. Statute of Limitations for child rape saves them from jail.


6 posted on 03/25/2011 3:15:29 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

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7 posted on 03/25/2011 3:15:48 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: WaterBoard

Wondering how you suspend a retiree.


8 posted on 03/25/2011 3:18:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Bullet in the brain.

Dust to dust.

We have never dealt seriously enough with Priests, Pastors, Scout leaders etc. They need to be held to higher standard and that standard should have no sway.

There is NO re-conditioning these folks. A bullet is much too easy for them in my opinion. But it’s cheap.


9 posted on 03/25/2011 3:30:01 PM PDT by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I was in the car today and ABC news came on. This was their top story.

Next was Obama meeting with Congress over the new war.

Third was the Saudi’s getting involved in Libya.

Nowhere was a mention of Japans reactor that might have a breech.

Let’s face it, to the MSM media, neither national security, war, nuclear meltdown or energy trumps reporting a Catholic church scandal. They can never tell me there’s no bias!


10 posted on 03/25/2011 3:35:59 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: WaterBoard

Then its time that the Church bring back the burning stake.


11 posted on 03/25/2011 3:44:58 PM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: WaterBoard

In early March 21 Priests were suspended by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2685880/posts

An Uproar in Ireland over Pedophile Priests and brothers.

A few years back the Church was sued and paid out Millions of dollars because of Pedophilia. Most Catholics thought step were taken then to rid the Church of this stain. Why are we still getting stories of Pedophiles? Whjy hasn’t this mess been straightened out? Why are Priests still denied the right to marry?

These questions run through my mind.

Who is to do the straightening. The Cardinals, The Bishops?
Were they not picked from the ranks of the Priesthood?
Who vouch’s for their innocence? Why else would they hide these perverts in their ranks?

Don’t they realise that ignoring these perverts puts shame on the Church, and makes them all suspect?

I believe in the Catholic Church and the Apostle’s Creed, but I am suspect, and with reason, about those who represent the Church.A person should not have to make excuses for his religion or feel shame for the acts of their Church’s Pastor’s and High office Holders.

If there were still 21 in Philadelphia , how many others are still around in opther diocese’s ? How can one go to his Priest and talk about this going on when one cannot know if his own priest is guilty? Who can you approach, and how can you feel absolved of sin when you leave penance service if you do have complete trust in the one who absolved you?

I know Free Republic is not the place to bring these doubts, because they are absorbed and used by the enemies of the Church, but where is the proper place to ask , how can one make oneself free in their own mind of these questions?

How can one be sure anythingis being done when new cases keep appearing. The Catholic Church is not growing as it should because of this, and who’s fault is it? It is the fault of those who have been hiding these people for so many years. Not the Parisioner, but the clergy.


12 posted on 03/25/2011 3:47:49 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Soothesayer

The seminaries decided to be tolerant. And, of course, once a few sodomites are inside an institution they use their positions to make it possible to expand their numbers and to prevent any action from being taken against them.

At some point people will discover that there is no “live and let live” with sodomites.


13 posted on 03/25/2011 3:47:59 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: light-bulb

When I went back to my 20 year class reunion it appeared to be OK for some of the boys who were abused by Christian Brothers at the HS I was expelled from to relate their adventures in rump riding with some of the brothers.

They used to beat the crap out of us, I mean with fists, web belts, those big black board erasers, rulers, yard stick, bamboo sticks and various and sundry other items.

If we complained, it was always, “what did you do to irritate the good _____ (Father, Sister, Brother, et al).

I was expelled because I told Brother Stanley if he ever hit me again I would kill him where he stood. So he ran to the principle, who was the chief sadist and pervert.

Anyway, I just thought they were sadistic but 20 years later I finally go the word from others that for many of the boys it was all about the sex.

I would like to track them down now. I can not think of anything that would be too evil for these perverts and I hope they burn in hell.


14 posted on 03/25/2011 3:50:27 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: achilles2000

When a male pedophile abuses a little boy, he is a HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILE.


15 posted on 03/25/2011 3:51:38 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: I still care

Was the top story described as “pedophilia?” It usually is.

For some unexplained reason, the old media has not discovered the real problem. Old homos going after young boy butts.


16 posted on 03/25/2011 3:52:38 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Soothesayer

The whole faith revolves around forgiveness. There is nothing without it. In my estimation, the problem is with their superiors who move them from parish to parish as Cardinal Law (a man apparently without any conscience whatsoever) did. I know that Pope John Paul forgave Cardinal Law. I don’t know how, but I know he did. Cardinal Law is now a fundraiser in Rome. He should have been defrocked. Even if one manages to forgive Fr. Geoghan and Shanley and goodness knows how many others, it was Cardinal Law who enabled them and effectively abused those little boys himself.


17 posted on 03/25/2011 3:53:18 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Republic

Agreed.


18 posted on 03/25/2011 3:55:20 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: pbear8
“...they were part of the 60’s crowd..”

The social revolution starting in the 60’s was the beginning of a cultural cancer in the US and the world. It has metastasized now to the point that our nation is very sick.

19 posted on 03/25/2011 4:14:39 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: WaterBoard
This individual states that he recovered his memories during counseling, many years after the fact. He also was around when these priests were accused a few years earlier. A high index of skepticism is justified. Even more lurid accounts have been conjured up out of whole cloth with the assistance of overzealous and undertrained therapists.
20 posted on 03/25/2011 4:19:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Venturer
I live in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia area.The Catholic schools are closing,the pews are half empty and the clergy are not trusted.I want to raise my child Catholic yet it seems the church is forsaking it's duties to believers.Luckily a new Islamic education center is right down our street.Things that seem impossible 10 years ago is the normal now.What America are we giving these kids.
21 posted on 03/25/2011 4:25:43 PM PDT by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered-T. Paine)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

“The whole faith revolves around forgiveness”

Forgiveness begins when a pedophile priests asks for forgiveness.

Many of these thousands of pedophile priests hide in the shadows until victims come forward.

The leaders in the church further the crimes by shuttling these child rapists from church to church and refusing to do anything about them until just a few years ago.

The majority of these priests are evil. They dwell in sin and steal innocence and their crimes are covered up by Bishops and Cardinals.

Priests are supposed to set the standard for the Catholic faithful. Are our sins absolved in confession if the priest is not in a state of grace? Is the sacrament of the Eucharist blasphemed by a priest who is a rapist?


22 posted on 03/25/2011 4:40:50 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: pbear8

You’re right. And wouldn’t an old fashioned auto da fe be suitable punishment, stakes, fire, and all? They are already accustomed to wearing black and in this case there are real devils to expunge.


23 posted on 03/25/2011 4:40:59 PM PDT by katana
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To: WaterBoard
Akron Priest arrested for OVI; jail cell rant caught on tape

Police in Brimfield Township released a video of Rev. Ignatius Kury, pastor of Holy Ghost Ukrainian Catholic Church in Akron, in a profanity-filled rant from the holding cell where he was handcuffed to the wall.

In the video, Rev. Kury rails about being treated like Jeffrey Dahmer and he asks an officer if it will take a sex act to get him freed from the handcuffs.

Knarr said it's Kury's third OVI since 2004.

Video of Priest: Link
24 posted on 03/25/2011 4:48:05 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

The Church is run by Progressives, they are more concerned with the helping the sinner rather than Protecting those who have been, or might be, sinned against.


25 posted on 03/25/2011 4:55:08 PM PDT by BilLies (r)
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To: Soothesayer

If they figure out a way to do that they could use it for teachers and scout leaders too! I wonder if pedophiles have always gravitated towards these sorts of careers?


26 posted on 03/25/2011 5:07:44 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: I still care
They can never tell me there’s no bias!

Correctamundo!


27 posted on 03/25/2011 5:59:54 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: WaterBoard
He said his first memories of the alleged sexual abuse came nine months ago as he struggled in therapy to understand why his marriage and life seemed to be falling apart.

Suspicious. Sounds more like someone who developed mental illness and is now looking for an outside, rather than physiological, cause. I hope this guy gets whatever treatment he needs and truth prevails. There have been too many recovered memory scams and even prosecutions.

28 posted on 03/25/2011 6:39:05 PM PDT by newzjunkey (No Libya address 'til Monday? Why delay, Obama? Al queda rebels?)
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To: newzjunkey

Blame the victim right?

One of the four priests this man accused is already removed by the Church for other substantiated molestations and the other 3 priests have previous claims of molestation.

But, its the victim who is making this up? Disgusting.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 6:45:58 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: Soothesayer

I don’t remember exactly where between Santa Fe and Albuquerque NM there is a ‘special facility’ where clergy with sex issues go to get ‘rehabilitated’. Its all handled within the church. Creepy.


30 posted on 03/25/2011 8:38:20 PM PDT by freepguy
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To: WaterBoard

“The majority of these priests are evil. They dwell in sin and steal innocence and their crimes are covered up by Bishops and Cardinals.”

Maybe the Bishops and Cardinals are homo as well, ya think? I mean you think maybe only the really naive good guys get promoted?


31 posted on 03/25/2011 9:44:35 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: freepguy

Our parish priest, Father Collins, was sent to NW to dry out. He had extra big cruets we had to refill during the 6 am mass. he was usually drunk by then and would give us wine in little wax cups until Sister smelled wine on our breathe, besides the fact we giggled during the entire mass.

They sent the priests to NM so if there was a law suit the very poor parish where they were sent would have to pay and the locals had no money. However, somebody fixed that which is why they had to sell all that property in Boston, despite having sent the fagots to poor parishes. They also figured nobody would care or complain about what happened to the poor mexican kids.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 9:51:06 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: WaterBoard

Just a couple thoughts on this topic: Do you really believe in this concept of repressed memory? I personally don’t think it’s possible to forget big things that happen in one’s life. I can forget the little insignificant happenings, but abuse is one thing I would NEVER forget and would even think about it every day. When I was in high school I once had a car approach me while I was walking home where the driver exposed himself. I have NEVER forgotten it and never will. So when someone comes forward and claims repressed memory I don’t accept it because I don’t believe in it. I don’t blame the victim. It’s too bad he didn’t come forward when it supposedly happened, especially since he had two devoted involved parents who could have made a difference. Unfortunately we’ll never know what happened or even if anything happened.


33 posted on 03/26/2011 2:31:01 AM PDT by dupree
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To: TxDas

I can’t think of anything better than arranging there meeting with god sooner than later. Simply no place for them on Earth.

It’s odd to me that many religions turn a blind-eye or a hidden eye to this. I remember a Youth pastor at a previous Baptist church, who would care and support the young girls, all the way to 18 building up all the trust while they are early teenagers then once they were legal we found out all kinds of things happening to these girls. By the law it was legal, even though he was married with 5 kids of his own, but by principle any person can see he abused his place to get emotionally attached when they are their most vulnerable.
What did the church do... tried to hide it, kept is close to just the deacons... the youth pastor was also the son of the pastor...
So to support the flock, they hid it and made sure they sternly talked to the man, and made him take a job elsewhere...
What a wicked world we live in.


34 posted on 03/26/2011 6:14:59 AM PDT by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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