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Divers find antique gold chain worth $250,000
The Star ^ | 25 Mar 2011 | Sharon Wiley

Posted on 03/25/2011 8:10:34 PM PDT by smokingfrog

KEY WEST, FLA.—Shipwreck experts are evaluating a centuries-old-101-centimetre gold chain plucked from the sea floor while searching for a 17th-century sunken Spanish galleon off the Florida Keys.

The piece is tentatively valued at about $250,000. It is believed to be from the Nuestra Senora de Atocha, which sank during a 1622 hurricane. It was found Wednesday by divers from Mel Fisher’s Treasures about 55 kilometres west of Key West.

The chain has 55 links, an enameled gold cross and a two-sided engraved religious medallion featuring the Virgin Mary and a chalice.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestar.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: atocha; au; bling; godsgravesglyphs; gold; treasure
It looks like it could have been made yesterday. (photo at link)
1 posted on 03/25/2011 8:10:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: SunkenCiv

Ancient treasure, PING!


2 posted on 03/25/2011 8:13:24 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: smokingfrog

My granma lost it!


3 posted on 03/25/2011 8:15:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: smokingfrog

That's a disappointment - craftsman wise.

4 posted on 03/25/2011 8:17:45 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Revolting cat!

Where are you , grandchild?


5 posted on 03/25/2011 8:18:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: smokingfrog
Hey! Those are MY lost cotter pins!
6 posted on 03/25/2011 8:19:22 PM PDT by Musketeer
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To: Musketeer

Those ‘cotter pins’ are probably worth about $150 each.


7 posted on 03/25/2011 8:22:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: maine-iac7

The chain could have been made nicer.


8 posted on 03/25/2011 8:22:47 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (This is a tagline. A long tagline. A so very very very very very very long tagline. It is awesome!)
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To: Musketeer
Hey! Those are MY lost cotter pins!

Boy, talk about classing up my riding mower!

9 posted on 03/25/2011 8:24:05 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: maine-iac7

Right. Looks like a chain of cotter keys. They used the individual links like money. Strictly utilitarian.


10 posted on 03/25/2011 8:25:10 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: smokingfrog

11 posted on 03/25/2011 8:30:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: smokingfrog

kewl


12 posted on 03/25/2011 8:31:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: LibWhacker

I wouldn’t give you a rat’s rump for that guy.


13 posted on 03/25/2011 8:33:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: LibWhacker; SunkenCiv

You are probably right, wallets were not common back then I guess


14 posted on 03/25/2011 8:33:34 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: LibWhacker

Cool factoid there..and I’ll bet you’re exactly right. They could easily ‘make change’ with links like those. The world’s 18-24K cotter pin was a form of currency? Pretty cool.


15 posted on 03/25/2011 8:34:00 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: LibWhacker

Cool factoid there..and I’ll bet you’re exactly right. They could easily ‘make change’ with links like those. The world’s 18-24K cotter pin was a form of currency? Pretty cool.


16 posted on 03/25/2011 8:34:00 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: smokingfrog

Man, I never find anything like that. Oh wait. We don’t have any oceans in Colorado.


17 posted on 03/25/2011 8:35:49 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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To: smokingfrog

18 posted on 03/25/2011 8:38:31 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Wiggins

Gimmie back my necklass, fool!


19 posted on 03/25/2011 8:41:22 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Lol.


20 posted on 03/25/2011 8:44:51 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: catnipman
Man, I never find anything like that. Oh wait. We don’t have any oceans in Colorado.

Not to mention that the way the law is now, anything found on Federal land over 50 years old is a historic relic. If you threw a Coke bottle out the window of your Dad's car in the middle of the desert back in 1961 and decided to go back now, because of guilt, and pick it up to put it in the trash, you could be arrested for theft of a relic.

21 posted on 03/25/2011 8:46:05 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: maine-iac7
Gold links like that and in other styles were often used as a form of currency. Each link was a known weight and purity, and could be easily detached to purchase something.
22 posted on 03/25/2011 8:46:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Thanks for the pings, Islander7 and GeronL.

They also found a drawing of a young woman wearing it around her neck, and- wait, what?

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23 posted on 03/25/2011 8:47:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: smokingfrog

I used to work with a woman who is Mel Fisher’s niece. She had a coin from the Atocha that her uncle had given her. Really interesting stuff.


24 posted on 03/25/2011 8:58:10 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: SunkenCiv

The drawing would be worth more, wouldn’t it? lol


25 posted on 03/25/2011 9:16:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: smokingfrog

Oh, so THATS where I dropped it!


26 posted on 03/25/2011 9:21:22 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: maine-iac7
We are talking early 16th century ...;-)
27 posted on 03/25/2011 9:32:58 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: LibWhacker

bling bump


28 posted on 03/25/2011 9:34:55 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: ArmyTeach

Sorry - of course it was 17th century.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 9:36:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: maine-iac7

How so?

It seems to me to be a good use of wire to create heavy unsoldered links. The florets are well done and the cross and medallion are both very well done, especially the delicate inlay


30 posted on 03/26/2011 4:59:08 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: smokingfrog

So, if from the Atocha on its way back to Europe, it indicates either that the Spaniards had a significant operation going in the New World to refashion Indian gold into religious artifacts or that a piece of jewelry that made it from the Old World to the New World didn’t make the return journey.


31 posted on 03/26/2011 5:06:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: maine-iac7
That's a disappointment - craftsman wise.

Cotter pin gold craft?
32 posted on 03/26/2011 5:08:20 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Probably the blacksmith had no idea of the final use of the cotter pins.... was just given a chunk of gold and told get busy.

This is really neat.... not only spendable but can be used to send messages.


33 posted on 03/26/2011 6:10:38 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

-—— the blacksmith-——

The artisan was not a blacksmith, he was a goldsmith.


34 posted on 03/26/2011 6:18:39 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: bert
Goldsmith?

That's interesting.

35 posted on 03/26/2011 7:14:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: catnipman

***Man, I never find anything like that. Oh wait. We don’t have any oceans in Colorado.****

What? You have never heard of all that Spanish GOLD buried around Pagosa Springs and all those lost mines around Durango?

Are you living in a tent or a cave?


36 posted on 03/26/2011 7:20:39 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s been years since Mel Fisher found the Atocha. I’m surprised they are back on the wreck again and still finding stuff.

Or maybe this is just disinformation and they have a new shipwreck in play. That would be exciting.


37 posted on 03/26/2011 8:04:43 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Travis McGee
Hey, that is a neat piece of history I had never run across - thanks.

Maybe we should be looking into this as a bartering currency. Most of us couldn't do the gold - but silver. Necklaces with equal weighted links, easily detached. Most people would think it's just costume jewelry - hide our ‘bank account’ in plain sight? could even vary the pieces, for different worth - have a whole bartering system.

38 posted on 03/26/2011 11:08:18 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Travis McGee
Hey, that is a neat piece of history I had never run across - thanks.

Maybe we should be looking into this as a bartering currency. Most of us couldn't do the gold - but silver. Necklaces with equal weighted links, easily detached. Most people would think it's just costume jewelry - hide our ‘bank account’ in plain sight? could even vary the pieces, for different worth - have a whole bartering system.

39 posted on 03/26/2011 11:08:23 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: maine-iac7

It’s still being used as “coinage” even today. I read about it in the context of the millenial currency collapse in Argentina. Gold chains and bracelets were considered much more convenient to use than, say, “giant” one-ounce gold coins such as Krugerrands.

How do you “change” a Krugerrand worth $1,400 (today) at the corner black market? A few links of gold jewelry are perfect for buying groceries or gas during a bank closure etc.

(To even pull out a one-ounce gold coin at a black market could mark you for a home invasion or other robbery.)


40 posted on 03/26/2011 11:18:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wildbill; wardaddy
There are also a third and a 4th option: "poaching" on a known wreck, or midnight salvage without govt approval on a wreck in an area that requires same and generally doesn't allow private salvage.

You discover a wreck in a lot of the world and you report it "legally" to the govt, you may be thrown out of the country or arrested.

So that El Presidente's worthless brother-in-law can salvage the wreck that you found.

The problem becomes how to fence the more valuable items. A cover story must be developed.

Bullion will be melted down.

41 posted on 03/26/2011 11:23:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, but the story identified the divers as part of Fisher’s org. and the find was made public.

Doesn’t sound like a midnight salvage job.


42 posted on 03/26/2011 12:08:13 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

Sometimes things found one place are attributed to another, for the reasons I outlined.


43 posted on 03/26/2011 8:39:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

makes sense..got back last nite....2500 miles later

man..US highways coming out of Florida into to the US are so crowded

it’s basically like game day weekend from Miami all the way to Chattanooga on I-75..got a little better on I-24 home after that

I cannot believe how much more crowded Miami is in just 20 years...nicer though...impressive.

God’s waiting room is no more...it’s more like break your neck looking at babes by the hundreds and get smacked by wifey nowadays..incredible


44 posted on 03/27/2011 9:50:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: Travis McGee
looks like a local Key West Conch's "bail chain"

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45 posted on 03/27/2011 10:11:18 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: smokingfrog

The medallion looks interesting. Any more info on it?


46 posted on 03/27/2011 2:18:57 PM PDT by Bellflower (Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said [to be] bountiful.)
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To: Bellflower

The chain was found Wednesday by diver Bill Burt from Mel Fisher’s Treasures.

Burt had been searching for the sterncastle of the Atocha, about 35 miles west of Key West, according to Andy Matroci, captain of the Fisher search vessel J.B. Magruder.

“Bill comes up with this beautiful gold artifact,” he said. “It has a cross on it with black enamel and a gold medallion, and lots of lettering on the medallion and the cross.”

The chain’s 55 links resemble cotter pins, while the medallion features an engraved Virgin Mary and chalice.

The cross appears to be inscribed in Latin.

The Atocha shipwreck has been an historic treasure trove, but salvage teams have yet to discover the contents of the vessel’s sterncastle.

more info & pictures @ http://www.melfisher.com/SalvageOperations/RecentFinds/032511_RelArt/Cross.asp


47 posted on 03/27/2011 2:39:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: maine-iac7

Pretty ugly chain, though.


48 posted on 03/27/2011 5:42:24 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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