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Painful Lessons for Wind Power
Human Events ^ | 3/24/2011 | Brian Sussman

Posted on 03/26/2011 7:01:11 AM PDT by detective

Wind energy took another blow—this time in Massachusetts.

Wind One is the 400-foot-tall wind turbine owned by the town of Falmouth, on the southwestern tip of Cape Cod. The residents of Falmouth initially welcomed Wind One as a symbol of green energy and a handy way to keep local taxes down. Electricity generated by the turbine would be used to power the municipality’s infrastructure, thus shaving about $400,000 a year off its utility costs.

Installed in the spring of 2010 at a cost of $5.1 million (with some $3 million derived through grants, government kickbacks, and credits), the huge turbine cranks out 1.65 megawatts of electricity during optimum conditions.

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KEYWORDS: energy; environmentalists; renewableenergy; wind; windenergy; windpower
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Wind energy is extremely expensive and very unreliable. It can only be built if developers are given huge taxpayer subsidies, utility customers are forced to pay above market rates to purchase the electricity and conventional plants are kept ready to back up the wind turbines when they do not operate.

And they are also extremely noisy. They can either be shut off when the wind is blowing like in the article or they must be built far from populated areas which necessitates expensive transmission systems and line loss.

One more way that the liberals and the government are screwing up our country.

1 posted on 03/26/2011 7:01:13 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

I agree 100% they are a energy loser and will be removed in 10 years.


2 posted on 03/26/2011 7:08:39 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: detective

Posted yesterday, the thing must have a design flaw, the large three bladed ones make no noise. They only rotate about one revolution, every four seconds.


3 posted on 03/26/2011 7:08:54 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Can’t use grease on the bearings, not very green. ;)


4 posted on 03/26/2011 7:12:12 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: detective

I am so sick of having my ever increasing utility bill paying for this kind of crap. If these enviro-nuts want to play with their wind turbine toy, let them do it on their own dime and not mine!


5 posted on 03/26/2011 7:13:21 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: detective

Learn the lessons:

Science is not a friend of liberals.

Math is not a friend of liberals.

Truth is not a friend of liberals.

Logic is not a friend of liberals.

And I - most assuredly - am not a friend of liberals.


6 posted on 03/26/2011 7:16:37 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: detective

The root problem is that greenies/eco-freaks/libtard/progressive/ socialist/commies are fundamentally MALCONTENTS.

No matter what they say they want, or what they get, they will NEVER, EVER be happy or satisfied.


7 posted on 03/26/2011 7:20:29 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: SouthTexas

Grease, LOL, they had a show on tv showing them making the three propeller design, bearings run in motor oil, I think there is a built in pump in the transmission at the front.


8 posted on 03/26/2011 7:21:41 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: pnh102

Friend, every electrical generating type plant ever build has been tax payer subdized. It would take years to investigate the amount of money that TVA and the army corps of so called engineers have pissed away.


9 posted on 03/26/2011 7:26:41 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Couldn’t resist.

We have hundreds of them down here and I’ve never heard any type of noise from them and as slow as they turn, birds would have to be pretty stupid to fly into them.

They sure screw up the skyline though.


10 posted on 03/26/2011 7:37:11 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: detective
And this they say is better then drilling for oil:


11 posted on 03/26/2011 7:38:32 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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To: detective; All
"They (Wind turbines) can either be shut off when the wind is blowing like in the article or they must be built far from populated areas which necessitates expensive transmission systems and line loss."


12 posted on 03/26/2011 7:38:52 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: maddog55

I feel sorry for the birds in that area.


13 posted on 03/26/2011 7:42:48 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: SouthTexas

There is several of them in a very, very, very, large area on I65 in Indiana, I stopped to look at them and count the revolutions once, they made no sound. Could not even hear the amps talking to each other.


14 posted on 03/26/2011 7:45:14 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SouthTexas
Can’t use grease on the bearings, not very green. ;)

That brought back memories of when I was a teen ager, climbing up wind mills with a grease gun in hand. Back in the day, farmers got water to their live stock with those things and they had to be lubricated on a regular basis.

15 posted on 03/26/2011 7:52:04 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: musicman

Friend, those large ones behind bird brain in the picture have rotating props just like a plane, the pitch of the propeller changes to adjust the speed, no matter how hard the wind blows the prop speed stays the same. The twenty++ year old design in the other picture of a field of little mills were useless the day they were built.


16 posted on 03/26/2011 7:52:32 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
Friend, every electrical generating type plant ever build has been tax payer subdized. It would take years to investigate the amount of money that TVA and the army corps of so called engineers have pissed away.

And we all know that nuclear power is perfectly safe. /sarc

17 posted on 03/26/2011 7:55:49 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: org.whodat

Were they plugged in?


18 posted on 03/26/2011 7:57:04 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: org.whodat
I understand the technology has improved from the days of Altamont Pass, but no matter how good the technology, the Achilles’ Heel will always be availability of the primary energy source. The numbers I have seen for wind farm capacity factors range from 7 to 30 percent. That is absolutely unacceptable for baseload capacity. The LOLP for a grid-based system (what most of us use, and I don't see that changing anytime soon) goes through the roof. The existing grid has a major outage about once every 10 years or so. If you've got generating assets with capacity factors between 7 and 30 percent, you're looking at a major outage every month or so, probably with daily reductions like voltage dips, and rotating blackouts.
19 posted on 03/26/2011 7:59:25 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Graybeard58

I have a slight recollection of those days from a time long ago, in a land far away.

Actually was about five miles south of here. :)


20 posted on 03/26/2011 8:03:10 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: detective

I guess the green idiots have never turned a fan on. THEY ALL MAKE NOISE!


21 posted on 03/26/2011 8:04:56 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: org.whodat

Minnesota has a “wind Power” project that adds about .5% of electricity to the grid, but my monthly statement has increased by over 10%. It says right in the bill; “Renewable Energy Subsidy fee.” And it is always over 10% of my bill, and has raised my monthly costs by 35 dollars per month.

It is grossly expensive and inefficient power and we are paying through the nose against our will, in order to support it.

And the all residents here are outraged about this, but the legislature ignores our complaints.


22 posted on 03/26/2011 8:06:44 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: DungeonMaster

You know I live about fifty miles from a large place where a nuclear power plant was under construction, it was one of three are four that mr. Reagan cancelled, it was one of the dumbest acts the man pulled and I get pisssed every time I think about it. My point is you can be for or against anything you wish, but don’t tell lies about it, some kid may read it and think he is repeating the truth.


23 posted on 03/26/2011 8:08:12 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: detective
"During the study period, the monitoring team determined that 8,247 birds were wacked dead by the turbine blades."

It's amazing how the enviros can simply look the other way when it's fellow enviros doing the damage.

Kinda' like when NOW saw nothing wrong about Clinton's treatment of women.

Can't help but think liberalism is the link, and it over-rides everything else.

24 posted on 03/26/2011 8:09:14 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material.)
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To: org.whodat
The topography of Falmouth is stunningly beautiful. Small ponds, creeks, pines, and oaks rest adjacent to the rocky beachfront. What’s totally out of place is a monstrous pillar of white steel rising from the countryside, topped with its whirling three-bladed rotor.

Missed that part, huh?

25 posted on 03/26/2011 8:19:21 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: capt. norm
It's amazing how the enviros can simply look the other way when it's fellow enviros doing the damage.

Actually, I don't see a problem here. Evolution will take care of this. Birds will evolve to fly between the baldes. Very enviro. /s

26 posted on 03/26/2011 8:22:41 AM PDT by super7man
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To: raybbr

Did not miss anything, change the design the noise problem will go away, if there is one. Now how much money has the tax payers given the same location in heating oil the last 30 damn years.


27 posted on 03/26/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: detective

It’s a good way to confiscate more land. One wonders what resources are underneath the windmills.


28 posted on 03/26/2011 8:25:21 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: wolfpat

Although enviros claim an ESTIMATED number of birds are killed annually, they have no EMPIRICAL data to prove their claims. Yes, birds are killed, but I don’t believe it comes anywhere near the numbers they’re claiming or there would be mountains of bird carcasses at the base of every turbine.

So, they’re charging full speed ahead to get these wind farms shut down. Even the Sierra Club cannot provide any EMPIRICAL data, they persist in using the term ESTIMATE.

These blades don’t move at the speed of a household fan, they’re rather slow and if a bird can avoid a car moving at 60-70 mph, why can’t they avoid a fan blade moving at 16-20 rpm?

Cats might kill an ESTIMATED 100’s of millions of birds each year, shall we ban cats? See how easy it is to make an unqualifed assumption based solely on the FACT that we do KNOW for CERTAIN that cats kill birds?

Page 6 of the following pdf discusses wind turbine fatalities and the faulty methods and “assumptions” environemntalists are using to “bump up” the numbers at Altamont Pass and other wind turbine locations.

http://www.dialight.com/Assets/Application_Notes/Signaling/Obstruction%20Lighting%20Bird%20Strike%20Study.pdf


29 posted on 03/26/2011 8:35:33 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: org.whodat
"every electrical generating type plant ever build has been tax payer subsidized."

Actually, no. We used to have a small 225KW hydro plant on the river in our town. It was built in 1913 by a local citizen. The Greenies & kayaker crowd leaned on Duke Power to tear the dam down. Our county protested, but lost the court case. Duke agreed to tear it down in exchange for the Eco weenies and kayakers agreeing NOT to challenge the renewal of licenses for 5 other, larger Duke Power hydroelectric dams in the area.

I will NEVER believe another "greenie-use Renewable Power" advocate.


30 posted on 03/26/2011 8:39:07 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good MEN to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: All
FTA linked pdf.

Based on the estimates derived or reviewed in this paper, annual bird mortality from anthropogenic sources may easily approach 1 billion birds a year in the US alone (table 2). Buildings, power lines and cats are estimated to comprise approximately 82 percent of the mortality, vehicles 8 percent, pesticides 7 percent, communication towers 0.5 percent, and wind turbines 0.003 percent. Other sources such as mortality from electrocution, oil spills and fishing by-catch are also contributors but estimates were not made and we have not even considered the impacts from loss of habitat which could also be considered anthropogenic.

31 posted on 03/26/2011 8:40:56 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: detective

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2694858/posts


32 posted on 03/26/2011 8:41:21 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: BwanaNdege

Maybe I should have said mega watt. There are far too many small ones to count them all but most were actuals used to provide power to a business, common all over new england. I was out driving around north of Greenville tn, years ago and found one a lot like the one in the picture, had no ideal it was there. The burlap crowd have many designs for one house power plants run off of water, free electricity, as long as you know how to maintain it.


33 posted on 03/26/2011 8:48:34 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

“The burlap crowd”

Now that’s a new term for me! Mother Earth News types?

BTW, I am a fan of micro-hydro!


34 posted on 03/26/2011 9:19:54 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good MEN to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: BwanaNdege

I was at a doctors office and there was a magazine there that had some stories about micro, I did some reading about it after that, found it interesting. If you lived where you had a good down hill run of water it would work well. Getting a speed governor working properly is the hard part.


35 posted on 03/26/2011 9:26:22 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

I saw a 3 blade operate for about 8 months on top of a mountain in Boone, NC. After the noise and constant bird killings it was dismantled and sold for scrap. Cost? No one seems to know except it was built by GRANTS from the federal(us) government.


36 posted on 03/26/2011 9:30:08 AM PDT by captnorb
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To: captnorb

The story about the big ones killing birds is crap, they turn to slow. But I did have an owl hit my pickups window once at about 65 mph, killed the hell out of him and scared the crap out of me. “Almost”.


37 posted on 03/26/2011 9:39:06 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: maddog55

I may sue. Using Chaos theory analogies that say a butterfly flapping it’s wings on the Pampas may cause a tornado in the US, well how do I know that these monstrosities didn’t cause Katrina?


38 posted on 03/26/2011 9:44:53 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: detective
Wind info from Wisconsin
39 posted on 03/26/2011 9:44:58 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“but the legislature ignores our complaints”

Ah, but that’s what a ballot box is for.


40 posted on 03/26/2011 9:48:03 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: BwanaNdege

“The Greenies & kayaker crowd”

I thought portage was part of the fun of canoeing and kayaking. Sounds like another bunch of city weenies to me.


41 posted on 03/26/2011 9:52:08 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: org.whodat

They only give the illusion that they are turning slow because they are so big and you mostly see them from the center of the hub. What kills birds is the tips of the props, which move at over 3 times the actual wind speed. They can approach 100 mph with a 30 mph wind.

They truly DO kill birds. Lots of them. Birds have difficulty recognizing the hazard. Especially raptors, which is the most frequent type of bird killed by them.


42 posted on 03/26/2011 9:57:15 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: org.whodat; BwanaNdege
...the large three bladed ones make no noise. ...

... for the Eco weenies and kayakers agreeing...

Not to be disagreeable (if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale!), but you must not have any actual experience with Wind generation. Those things in the mountains of WV are (almost) noisier than a jet plane. Plus, many are usually idle and many broken, not churning/turning. At least the birds are safe!

As for token remarks about "kayakers", same thing applies. Most I know are NOT weenies, not greenies... (and are crazier than most people)! I watch and learn, but many of the places they paddle are a little rough for me. Cheat River is my fave, but it gets way more action than I like in the Spring. My friends jump in and many get hurt!


43 posted on 03/26/2011 10:02:23 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("When Sarah Palin speaks, people listen!" - EF Hutton)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Plum bull, the invidual props are about seventy feet long, and they move so slow you can stand and count the evolutions, the tip takes four seconds to make a revolution. And they make the same revolution no mater what the damn wind speed is. If you don’t produce 60 cycle power it will not mate with the grid. The old little ones had a brake speed control, the new big ones work off of the same principle of lift as an airplane wing for speed control. The prop rotates in the hub and controls the speed.


44 posted on 03/26/2011 10:07:27 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: maddog55
Which energy source causes less view polution?


45 posted on 03/26/2011 10:28:47 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: org.whodat

People don’t like radioactive contamination.


46 posted on 03/26/2011 10:30:14 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: WVKayaker

About 45dba, it you are within 1000 feet. But what was the noise level before they were installed. If you live within 1000 feet of a major highway, your hearing is so shot you could not hear that.


47 posted on 03/26/2011 10:31:00 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
I spent the night at Davis, WV. In the middle of the night, I was aware of a noise, which was not natural. The next morning, I followed it to the source, 12 miles away. There were only a half dozen at the time. YMMV, but I was unhappy enough to not buy property near them! Unfortunately, the Chicago Mafia is behind them and they are proliferating on the mountaintops.

Thanks, GE/Zero!

48 posted on 03/26/2011 10:52:55 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("When Sarah Palin speaks, people listen!" - EF Hutton)
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To: WVKayaker

I have a 17’ Mowhawk that I use on the Tuckaseegee and also enjoy rafting on the Nantahala. Two of my kids have kayaks.

However...

“American Whitewater” is bragging about their role in taking out the Dillsboro dam and “freeing the river”. They could not get the dam removed based on the merits of the Dillsboro dam. They had to threaten to use the courts to tie up Duke Power license renewals for Nantahala, Bear Creek, Cedar Cliff, Wolf and Glenville lakes.


49 posted on 03/26/2011 11:00:01 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good MEN to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: org.whodat
Are you an electrical engineer? Wouldn't a DC generator produce more power, even with the losses from inversion? Am I wrong?

As for aero design, any windmill action comes from fluid dynamics (lift), whether old or new... it's just a matter of efficiency. Feathering just decreases efficiency and adds problems! I'm sure glad I don't have to repair them...

50 posted on 03/26/2011 11:06:47 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("When Sarah Palin speaks, people listen!" - EF Hutton)
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