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Pakistan Switches Sides, Expanding Arms Allegiance With China and Leaving U.S. Behind
FOXNews.com ^ | March 26, 2011 | By Dominic Di-Natale

Posted on 03/26/2011 9:43:56 PM PDT by metmom

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan is beefing up its arsenal of nuclear-capable missiles by embracing China as its new strategic arms partner and backing away from the U.S., analysts have told Fox News.

Pakistan earlier this month test-fired a nuclear-capable missile from an undisclosed location – the second in a month of try-outs for its short-range surface-to-surface Hataf 2 class rocket, co-developed with the Chinese. It was the latest in a series of arms collaborations between the two nations, which view their strategic partnership as a counterweight to a boldly confident India, which has American support.

Until the mid-1960s, the United States was the principal supplier of weapons to Pakistan, the world’s eighth most-powerful nuclear nation. But the U.S. began to back away from the relationship after years of difficult and sometimes unpredictable relations following the 9/11 attacks. The U.S. no longer fully supports the military ambitions of a Pakistan that is being destabilized by an insurgency it cannot control, rising radicalism and anti-Westernism, and a government considered by some too weak and corrupt.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arms; china; pakistan

1 posted on 03/26/2011 9:44:00 PM PDT by metmom
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To: metmom

Well, I think they’ve figured out by now that if they get into trouble, the Obama administration will, at best, waffle and at worst leave them in the lurch in favor of Muslim extremists. I have a hard time blaming them for seeing China as more likely to be there for them in time of trouble, at least until Obama is gone.


2 posted on 03/26/2011 9:48:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: TigersEye

Ping.


3 posted on 03/26/2011 9:49:18 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, if he’ll screw us, he’ll screw anyone.


4 posted on 03/26/2011 9:52:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I thought China executed terrorists.


5 posted on 03/26/2011 9:53:51 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: metmom

Gee, I thought Hitlery was such good friends with Pakistan.


6 posted on 03/26/2011 9:54:31 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: MaxMax

Maybe that’s only terrorists that terrorize THEM.


7 posted on 03/26/2011 9:57:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Very smart move for Pakistan...

FLASHBACK: Obama: Move Al Qaeda Battle From Iraq To Pakistan

8 posted on 03/26/2011 9:58:57 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: freekitty
Gee, I thought Hitlery was such good friends with Pakistan.

Maybe that's part of the problem.

Would you trust a face like that?

Besides, she's a woman (technically).

9 posted on 03/26/2011 9:59:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
There is no way to be allied with both Pakistan and India. Pakistan is a Muslim country that harbors al Quida. India is not Muslim and is the largest democracy in the world. The choice should be easy. We should be cementing our relationship with India and attacking al quida in Pakistan.
10 posted on 03/26/2011 10:01:45 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Army Air Corps
0bama talked about attacking Pakistan during his campaign. Now he's come up with a new excuse to attack countries based on "Responsibility to Protect."

Driven into the arms of another.

11 posted on 03/26/2011 10:05:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Prokopton
We should be cementing our relationship with India and attacking al quida in Pakistan.

I think we're falling right into the plans of Al Qaeda by going into Libya.

Watch for these protests to start up in nuclear Pakistan once we're tied down in Libya.

12 posted on 03/26/2011 10:06:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: metmom
The U.S. no longer fully supports the military ambitions of a Pakistan that is being destabilized by an insurgency it cannot control, rising radicalism and anti-Westernism, and a government considered by some too weak and corrupt.

For decades now, the problem hasn't been the Pakistani government. It's the Pakistani people. The wave of religious fervor comes from one thing - all the secular types had lots of fun, but no kids. All the religious types had no fun, but plenty of children. In Pakistan, as in the rest of the Muslim world, demographics is destiny. If a kinder and gentler Mongol horde were to conquer Pakistan today, its first act would be to sterilize every mosque attendee and imam in the country.

13 posted on 03/26/2011 10:08:50 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: metmom
Let's see. The US just supported (and hell, probably instigated) the collapse of the Mubarak regime in Egypt in favor of the Muslin Brotherhood.

Now, we're bombing Libyan forces essentially on behalf of Al Qaida.

If I were in Pakistan's shoes, I'd do the same.

14 posted on 03/26/2011 10:22:21 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: metmom

As I understand it the strategic significance of Afghanistan is that if it falls to the Taliban, Pakistan will ultimately fall to the Taliban along with its nuclear arsenal. Eventually it may be necessary for the U.S. to withdraw to the India-Pakistan border and partner with India.


15 posted on 03/26/2011 10:23:38 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: metmom

IMHO...

This is what is really going on with all the revolutions in the mideast, including Libya.

the far left intelligentsia, i.e., soros, etc., is getting attempting to swing all world opinion against the u.s.

with nobama in office, this can proceed fairly fast.

libya is a demonstration of this: virtually all media, including fox, is not pointing out that this is all over european oil supply.

europe is dumb enough to side with the foreign fighters who are moving into libya and go along with pushing out qdaffy.

I think there is a high probability that the new government of Libya would not sell them oil anyway if they can dislodge qdaffy.

I think Britain, France, Italy should reverse course immediately, say that they have discovered the terrorist connection to the revolution and work to help qdaffy remain in power. Between them and the U.S., there will be enough carrot and stick to keep qdaffy selling oil to the west.

pakistan walking away from the U.S. is an issue that needs handling.

We need to lean on Congress as hard as possible to pull out of Libyan operation.

We need Britain and France to pull out of Libyan operation, all pressure that can be put on them should be applied.

Repub Congressmen need to be made aware that this situation may start to rapidly degrade and we need to keep too much momentum from swinging against the U.S. during the 22 months ahead.

The U.S. should get out of Libyan operation asap.

Any efforts that can be made by anyone to collapse the Libyan revolution are very needed.

I think U.S. planning has been completely duped by leftists, i.e., Dr. Evil, i.e., soros and the like, into thinking they can promote democracy in the mideast, when really we are going to lose access to ALL mideast oil.

Emergency, emergency.

Saudi Arabia is a big, fat target for revolutionaries and they have their sights set. Don’t bother talking about drilling at home, this is simple math: of the oil under the ground, how much can China buy versus how much the U.S. can buy. And SA and the small states need to stay on the Western side due to how much oil they represent.

I think this may be coming up soon - we need to make Congress aware. Saudi Arabia needs to be defended at all costs, even if an independent venture, no matter what slaughter has to take place.

As far as terrorism goes, at this point, it’s beyond that, we need to not give up oil that we have access to at this point.

The U.S. dollar must strenthen. China is planning on being the standard world currency; this is maybe planned for the not too distant future.

We NEED to start U.S. government austerity programs IMMEDIATELY.

We need to get started making businesses IMMEDIATELY, that is the ultimate strengthener of the dollar.


16 posted on 03/26/2011 10:26:54 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: Prokopton

That makes too much sense and doesn’t line someone’s pockets.

It’s not going to go because it’s good for this country.


17 posted on 03/26/2011 10:28:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; HiTech RedNeck

Don’t blame them. Going with the strong horse.


18 posted on 03/26/2011 10:59:00 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: metmom

If you were leading a nation outside of the US, would you want to ally yourself with the current bunch in the White House?

I wouldn’t.


19 posted on 03/26/2011 11:16:12 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: metmom

Cannot say I blame them given the current government and is supporters on the right and left, do you think any third world country will believe anything the government says, when you start trying to kill all the countries leaders you don’t like. They are just trying to look out for them selves.


20 posted on 03/26/2011 11:23:26 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: metmom

Cannot say I blame them given the current government and is supporters on the right and left, do you think any third world country will believe anything the government says, when you start trying to kill other countries leaders they don’t like. They are just trying to look out for them selves.


21 posted on 03/26/2011 11:25:13 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Brad from Tennessee
As I understand it the strategic significance of Afghanistan is that if it falls to the Taliban, Pakistan will ultimately fall to the Taliban along with its nuclear arsenal.

If so, look for millions of secular, Westernized Pakistanis to decide they'd rather live in India.
22 posted on 03/27/2011 12:36:20 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: metmom

Umm, whoever wrote this article needs a history lesson ASAP. Pakistan never switched sides-they have always sided with the Chicoms. Since the late 50s.

Anyone who is deluding themselves into thinking Bush or Obama pushed them to the Chicoms better take a look at their order of battle. For every F-16 they have, their’s approximately 5 Chinese built F-7 fighters. And several hundred more on order.


23 posted on 03/27/2011 1:35:09 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: tsowellfan

Pakistan decided on this move almost 50 years ago; they’ve only fleeced Washington into throwing more military aid.


24 posted on 03/27/2011 1:37:27 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: aquila48

A horse that will not act strongly is no better than a weak one.


25 posted on 03/27/2011 1:42:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: metmom

Good, now we should stop all military and economic foreign aid to Pakistan....will not happen under this idiot-ridden administration. =.=


26 posted on 03/27/2011 4:07:25 AM PDT by cranked
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To: metmom

Nothing new here. Pakistan has been receiving Chinese military aid since the 60’s. China allied itself with Pakistan to balance the Soviets who aided India back during the time Mao and Brezhnev were about to go to war against each other. During the 1971 war both Nixon and Mao supported Pakistan.


27 posted on 03/27/2011 5:44:58 AM PDT by gusty
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To: metmom

The Obama wrecking crew is taking its toll.


28 posted on 03/27/2011 6:38:05 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

I keep telling everyone that WW III has started and most people don’t even know it.

Americans can be sooooooooo stupid. Real shame - real shame - where all of this is leading.

A bloody bloody war is ahead of us. We will all pay the price before it is all said and done.


29 posted on 03/27/2011 7:44:57 AM PDT by silentknight
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To: SIDENET

If I am not misreading any of this bull, the impression I have is that just like that of the North Vietnamese, the Pakistani, too, have the potentials to only exploit the Chinese (using them as a mechanical advantage of kind to counter balance the forces that are exerting against them) and not tilting/leaning politically 100% towards the Chinese therefore not to get too hyped up over this.

However, to keep evil at bay or away from her western flank, let’s just say that if Pakistan were hit [a’la Libya fashion] and that in itself is a big if of course, then, I’m pretty confident that short of committing ground troops a’la Korean war fashion, Beijing can be assured to provide Pakistan with all of the support she needed. This support would include equipments up to the J-10 even the J-11B, all the logistics, and the strategical support and command infrusture that Pakistan needed to defend itself against hostile elements.

And why is that?

I think “THE THANKS” and “THE BACK STABBING” that Beijing has gotten from Vietnam after all of that thick and thin she went through together with Vietnam during the Vietnam war is a lesson she (China) will never forget and that she will apply that lesson to all future dealings with the exception of North Korea who, even to this day, has proven that the Chinese saying “as close as lip and teeth” indeed does live up to every of its words.


30 posted on 03/27/2011 8:48:31 AM PDT by EdisonOne
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To: silentknight; Beckwith; Fred Nerks; LucyT

Yes, these are the opening shots to WWIII.

The Obama wrecking crew have done it. I destest those bastids in the White Hut.

Europe and Africa, and the ME will be in soon.
And the whole world will have to take sides.

Very UGLY.

War brought on again by bankrupt liberal fascists at home and abroad in Europe.A pox on all of the bastids.


31 posted on 03/27/2011 9:27:29 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: metmom

Remember too that Pak and China are in the midst of a border dispute with India over the Jammu and Kashmir regions. A stronger alliance between Pak and China could cause that to ignite into a full border war (China also wants Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh). If that conflict goes hot, and I am fairly sure it will eventually, the US will be India’s only real hope for an alliance, as it has few other friends in the region. With or without help, India will make it very expensive for China and Pak to take those areas, and that could ignite a regional war as other states are pulled in.


32 posted on 03/27/2011 10:29:41 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: metmom

That’s what happens when a formerly rich, former manufacturing powerhouse sends all its manufacturing to its largest competitor, while also sending all its money via “free trade” to its largest competitor:

The competitor ... WINS.


33 posted on 03/27/2011 10:32:16 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin 2012 - America First)
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To: Candor7

It’s not just Obama.

Our so-called leaders have been sending our factories, national treasure and our technology to China as fast as they could for the last 20 years.

Republicans and Dems alike, have sold us out.


34 posted on 03/27/2011 10:34:27 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin 2012 - America First)
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To: Little Pig

wonderful........

I feel for India.


35 posted on 03/27/2011 10:35:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

How could they switch sides? They’re Muslims. They will always be on both sides, for a while, until they switch.


36 posted on 03/28/2011 1:08:21 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Obama is the closer:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

I know its not just him, but he is their gunslinger. He must be offed.Sent down the road, turfed.


37 posted on 03/28/2011 3:52:50 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: ModelBreaker

They’ll align themselves with whichever side works best for them at the moment.

If someone is working under the delusion that they are *with* any one at all, they’re being dangerously deceived. They won’t hesitate to stab you in the back, or slit your throat.


38 posted on 03/28/2011 6:46:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Pakistan is the next Iran.


39 posted on 03/28/2011 6:55:05 AM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Obama? Well... My two cents here: I betcha he have nothing to do with it. In other words, he too was just obeying orders. He had no choice in the ‘no fly’ matter. The object of his ‘appointment’, yes, in my personal opinion his was an appointment, and the job he was designed to fulfill is finally taking shape. If everything goes well, he will get another four years to finalize it. If otherwise, he’ll be out as quickly as he came in.


40 posted on 03/28/2011 2:16:08 PM PDT by EdisonOne
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