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Stun guns for citizens a charged issue with law enforcement, legislators
The Muskegon Chronicle ^ | 26 March, 2011 | Heather Lynn Peters

Posted on 03/27/2011 5:08:01 AM PDT by marktwain

WEST MICHIGAN — Muskegon County Sheriff’s Department Deputy Jeff Blackmer said he wishes the state legislature would holster attempts to allow stun guns under the state’s concealed weapons law.

“I think it’s a bad thing,” said Blackmer, who has been a stun gun instructor for the sheriff’s office since 2009. “It’s bad enough to keep kids away from knives and firearms.

“People might treat (stun guns) like toys and they’re dangerous. There is an awful lot of power,” he said.

Stun guns — commonly referred to as Tasers, a brand name — are not legal in Michigan outside of law enforcement and a few other limited exceptions. Law enforcement officers have used Tasers in Michigan for several years. The device fires two prongs that can penetrate clothing and deliver an electrical charge strong enough to disable a person. goeff-hansen.jpgGoeff Hansen

Now, a bill to allow stun guns under the state’s concealed weapons law recently passed the state House.

The bill would allow people to carry so-called “citizen Tasers,” if they undergo a training course and meet the standard requirements for getting a concealed weapons permit. Those include not having a felony criminal record or documented history of mental issues.

Many legislators support the bill and say concerns about people misusing stun guns have simply not born out in the 43 states that already allow them.

Sen. Goeff Hansen, R-Hart, said the stun gun will provide people with an effective and less dangerous method of self defense.

“It’s a less than lethal option for people,” Hansen said.

(Excerpt) Read more at mlive.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; mi; taser
It is hard to believe that their are people actually opposing this bill. Their opposition makes no sense whatsoever.
1 posted on 03/27/2011 5:08:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Why not ban hammers Blackmer?


2 posted on 03/27/2011 5:17:09 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: marktwain

Anti-Gun,Anti-Taser,Anti-self-defense.These jokers really want the public defenseless.


3 posted on 03/27/2011 5:18:38 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: marktwain

The tyrants dont want to be the ones screaming: “Dont tase me, bro!”


4 posted on 03/27/2011 5:25:50 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
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If you wish to be added to or removed from the Michigan ping list, please post or FReepmail me.

5 posted on 03/27/2011 5:26:25 AM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: marktwain
Tasers are used by police forces as a modern day "hickory shampoo". I don't see why any citizen would want to carry one.

With that said, it is a weapon. If a person should want to carry a taser instead of or in addition to a firearm, it is his God given right as (supposedly) protected by the second amendment of the US Constitution to do so.

6 posted on 03/27/2011 5:45:07 AM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: marktwain

Tasers are different from Stun Guns.

Tasers shoot, Stun Guns don’t. I want a stun gun for walking when big dogs are out.


7 posted on 03/27/2011 6:02:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: marktwain

If people want Tasers, they should have them. That being said, bah humbug on less than lethal weapons.....


8 posted on 03/27/2011 6:05:50 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: marktwain

Sure, the State will license you to conceal carry a .44 Magnum, but no, we won’t let you have a knife with a blade over 3” or a stun gun.


9 posted on 03/27/2011 6:07:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: marktwain

My rep and now my Senator Rick Smith introduced the bill a couple of years ago. He is the former Eaton County top cop so he knows what he is talking about. It got hung up a couple of years ago by the Dems. They wanted something in exchange for its passage. So much for the people


10 posted on 03/27/2011 6:11:27 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Yo-Yo

In Wisconsin, which bans CCW, carrying a concealed weapon is a misdemeanor, while simple possession of a stun gun is a felony.


11 posted on 03/27/2011 6:12:11 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: 70th Division

I guess Michigan is like Illinois, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Virginia:

A state with a largely rural and small town population governed oppressively by the urban elite of that state’s largest metropolis. In theses cases, it’s

Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Richmond plus the Potomac area.

FWIW, I wouldn’t trade my 1911 for any Taser.


12 posted on 03/27/2011 6:33:13 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam.)
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To: marktwain
” Muskegon County Sheriff’s Department Deputy Jeff Blackmer said he wishes the state legislature would holster attempts to allow stun guns under the state’s concealed weapons law.”

Among other things, we need to start strongly reminding “law enforcement” that they work for us, not the other way ‘round. The whole notion of police agencies being given the only legal authority to “protect” is bogus. While I'm not an advocate of vigilantism, it's every citizens right to protect life, limb and property, and every law abridging those rights is invalid. Those rights are God Given, and inalienable.
It's sad that generations of “subjects” have been brainwashed into accepting government bullying.

13 posted on 03/27/2011 6:58:34 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: marktwain
PhotobucketI have a 2 million volt stun gun that my neighbor borrowed for his wife for a fellow worker who was harassing her and following her to her car asking for a date. One night as she was walking to her car, this as$ tried to grab her and she let him have it.... He was on the ground for 15 minutes twitching. When the police came, she said, the perp was still twitching. My neighbor went and bought 2 stun guns like mine. One her his wife and one for his 16 year old daughter.
14 posted on 03/27/2011 7:09:37 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: marktwain
If it's legal to keep and bear a Taser as well as a handgun, “they” will start asking why you shot your assailant to death when you could have just Tased him.
15 posted on 03/27/2011 7:17:01 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: MediaMole; Yo-Yo

Tasers are too quiet. That’s what scares them. Nobody to ask, “Did you hear any shots?” Even silencers make some noise.


16 posted on 03/27/2011 7:50:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: marktwain

Another lib who believes the little people are just too stupid to be trusted with their own decisions and well-being. What a surprise.


17 posted on 03/27/2011 8:12:48 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: elcid1970
The forced redistricting stemming from a 1950s era Supreme Court ruling "one man,one vote" that shifted the nation away from republicanism and towards democracy was the tool by which the decline of America has been accomplished.

I belive there is a naturally more conservative viewpoint of those who have to succeeed or fail based directly on their own efforts that differs from those living on cities where so much work is not directly related to producing immediate tangible results.

18 posted on 03/27/2011 8:58:13 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: elcid1970

Pennsylvania

§908.1. Use or possession of electric or electronic incapacitation device.

(a) Offense defined.-Except as set forth in subsection (b), a person commits an offense if the person does any of the following:

(1) Uses an electric or electronic incapacitation device on another person for an unlawful purpose.

(2) Possesses, with intent to violate paragraph (1), an electric or electronic incapacitation device.

(b) Self defense.-A person may possess and use an electric or electronic incapacitation device in the exercise of reasonable force in defense of the person or the person’s property, pursuant to Chapter 5 (relating to general principles of justification), if the electric or elec*tronic incapacitation device is labeled with or accompanied by clearly written instructions as to its use and the damages involved in its use.

(c) Prohibited possession.-No person prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to section 6105 (relating to persons not to possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms) may possess or use an electric or electronic incapacitation device.


19 posted on 03/27/2011 9:13:04 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: marktwain

Citizens should have the same access to weapons that cops do.


20 posted on 03/27/2011 9:21:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: KrisKrinkle

‘Cause I can shoot him a lot farther away than I can tase him?


21 posted on 03/27/2011 9:28:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: marktwain

Stun guns? That only means more criminals will live another day to attack someone else.


22 posted on 03/27/2011 1:04:10 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

“People might treat (stun guns) like toys and they’re dangerous. There is an awful lot of power,” he said.

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When cops handle tasers against us they treat them as if they were toys and downplay any possible harm ,, F’Em..


23 posted on 03/27/2011 1:44:54 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: magslinger

Welcome to the wild, wonderful world of Pingmeistering!!!


24 posted on 03/27/2011 5:45:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not exactly uncharted territory for me. I also hold the Navair ping list.


25 posted on 03/27/2011 6:52:43 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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