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Rumsfeld: If Gadhafi Stays, U.S. Reputation Damaged, American Enemies Emboldened
ABC News ^ | 3/27/11 | Joshua Miller

Posted on 03/27/2011 11:40:08 AM PDT by Nachum

Washington - Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said today that if Gadhafi remains in power in Libya, it will damage the prestige of the United States. He compared the possible scenario of Gadhafi staying in power in Tripoli to the U.S. and coalition forces not removing Saddam Hussein during the 1991 Gulf War, though he refused to take a firm stand on whether U.S. military action in Libya was the correct move for the Obama administration. In an exclusive interview on "This Week" with ABC News' Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper, Rumsfeld said, "the fact is we are

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1 posted on 03/27/2011 11:40:09 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Sounds like a win-win for Obozo.


2 posted on 03/27/2011 11:42:12 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


3 posted on 03/27/2011 11:42:40 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Our reputation was damaged about two years ago.


4 posted on 03/27/2011 11:45:07 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Nachum

Damned if we do, and damned if we don’t, eh?

Better if he stays than have the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda take power.

Yes, Obama is damaging our reputation every day. But maybe we can get it back after he is gone. Better than giving the whole Arab world to the fanatics as an Eid present.


5 posted on 03/27/2011 11:45:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Farmer Dean

A side note: I am 3/4 of the way through his memoirs. Known and Unknown. Good reading. I find his background is actually more enjoyable than President Bushes book.

He knows whats he is talking about


6 posted on 03/27/2011 11:49:44 AM PDT by Psycho_Runner (I never voted for change, I prefer folding money.)
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To: Nachum
It's refreshing to get a dose of leadership and strait talk again.

I miss it with this kinetic action taking going on and all.

7 posted on 03/27/2011 11:56:36 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Nachum

We can’t win either way. Either Qadaffi will stay and be a motivated menace, or we’ll continue this “kinetic military action” until Qaffadi is dead, in which case the country will be ‘free’ four about 15 minutes before going tribal and Islamist.


8 posted on 03/27/2011 11:59:10 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: Nachum

The “prestige” of the U.S. went into the crapper the moment Obozo took the oath of office.


9 posted on 03/27/2011 12:01:09 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Nachum
Obamas reputation is crap.

Bush had Gadhafi shaking in his boots thinking he was next causing him to give up his nuclear ambitions.

10 posted on 03/27/2011 12:06:58 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Nachum
Rumsfeld: If Gadhafi Stays, U.S. Reputation Damaged, American Enemies Emboldened

This is why I was against Obama threatening Gadaffi with military action if he did not step down. All he had to say is "Gadaffi should step down." Period.

It's true we will lose more credibility in the world if we do not put in ground troops, topple Gadaffi, fight the opposition (Al Qaeda / Islamists), occupy and install a new government (A LA Iraq). But now, thanks to Obama and those supported initiating this war with what they call enforcement of a No Fly Zone but is nothing less than an aerial intervention in a civil war , that's where we stand.

Once we get stuck in Libya like we did Iraq... all eyes on Pakistan. I'm sure the protests will increase there next well beyond what we saw in Iraq. We're falling into their plans.

11 posted on 03/27/2011 12:09:32 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: tsowellfan
Correction:

Once we get stuck in Libya like we did Iraq... all eyes on Pakistan. I'm sure the protests will increase there next well beyond what we saw in Egypt. We're falling into their plans.

12 posted on 03/27/2011 12:11:20 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: tsowellfan

We are becoming a paper tiger. If we are for regime change, then we need to send in the Marines to Tripoli. If not, then we need to pull our ships and planes from the theater.


13 posted on 03/27/2011 12:13:50 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Nachum
Unfortunately, our enemies will always find a way to be emboldened and they'll attack us AND we will retaliate.

I see no end to the inevitable cycle unless we are willing to give up our Western lifestyle and beliefs. Correction: capitulation to the fanatical Muslims will not work — there are Muslims fighting and killing each other.

14 posted on 03/27/2011 12:19:29 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Nachum

Rummy’s right. We probably shouldn’t have gotten involved, but now that we are, the price for not seeing it through would be high. As much as I hate it, that means boots on the ground, probably. I just don’t think we can take him out with airpower alone.


15 posted on 03/27/2011 12:21:40 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

Nope. Don’t buy it for one second. This is Obama’s mess. Pull it all out. Get out. Screw the Libyans and Al Quada’s “rebels”. They can kill each other.

They aren’t worth our treasure. They sure aren’t worth one soldier’s life or health.


16 posted on 03/27/2011 12:27:33 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

The Euros told Obama to fetch them a ham sandwich and Obama obliged them by crawling up a hog’s ass.


17 posted on 03/27/2011 12:27:47 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Farmer Dean

What “reputation” is that? How’s this going to bring back #1 reputation to China in manufacturing and industry???

While our reputation as now being #2 to China is being ignored!

Want a reputation? How about bringing back #1.


18 posted on 03/27/2011 12:28:08 PM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: Nachum

The American enemy you should worry about being “emboldened” is in the oval office. You’d think Rummy had learned *something* at least from running around with all those knives in his back.


19 posted on 03/27/2011 12:30:18 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Nachum

If he goes there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double


20 posted on 03/27/2011 12:30:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Varsity Flight

???


21 posted on 03/27/2011 12:32:49 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Nachum
Obama is worried about the USA reputation?? No...This is his.....I gotta go anti Muslim for a bit to prove I'm not a muzzie....

Except...bOTH THE REBELS & kADDAFI ARE MUSLIMS.

22 posted on 03/27/2011 12:33:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Nachum
I just don't fracking believe the world that has surrounded me. Enemies are enemies, former 'supposed friends and sympaticos' are now enemies, even some of the FR patriots here are lauding this latest foray into oblivion. WE DO NOT BELONG THERE! We do not need to be helping 'rebels' propped up and directed by Al Qaeda, we do not need to be stopping Muslims from killing Muslims. This dictator has been passable enough, even for Obama, for the last 30 years. What has made the last month any different?

I shudder to think about the next movie yet to be made about a 'Blackhawk Down'........................this is a futile embroglio populated with a cascading sequence of one USA circle-jerk after another. We don't need to be subjecting America's last best hope (its soldiers) to needless exposure like this.

23 posted on 03/27/2011 12:35:36 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Farmer Dean

priorities


24 posted on 03/27/2011 12:47:14 PM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: Nachum

“Princes ought either be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so the the injury done to a Prince ought to be so severe that his vengeance cannot be feared.”

Niccolo Machiavelli


25 posted on 03/27/2011 12:51:45 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!I)
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To: Nachum

Now rummie jumps on the establishment bandwagon. What a crock. What will our credibility be when al qaeda takes over libya?


26 posted on 03/27/2011 12:53:18 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Cicero

“Better if he stays than have the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda take power.”

Evil no matter which of them takes, or retakes the reins. I’d think that now that it’s confirmed that HE is thought of as quite expendable, that he will dig in, and strike out at everyone, and everything he imagines is after him. He’s probably become quite the paranoic with all of this.

This should have never happened, but it was almost guaranteed with the election of the Marxist in Chief, and the Socialist Democrats to power in 2008, who were already entrenched in the unelected positions, and bureaucracies of our government over many years.

I think we are seeing the Socialist Democrats in their Normandy invasion of our beaches, but I don’t see an Eisenhower in charge anywhere.

There might be hope.


27 posted on 03/27/2011 12:55:31 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Nachum
Note that if we had stayed out, and said we would not involve ourselves with an internal Libyan rebellion (as we did with Iran's failed uprising), it would not matter who won.

It was Obozo who led us to this.

28 posted on 03/27/2011 12:56:24 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

But don’t you see? They want the Islamists to win. That’s why they are arming them.


29 posted on 03/27/2011 1:00:00 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
I am beginning to understand how Rumsfeld got us into Iraq. Some people have tunnel vision. Rumsfeld has Munich vision, whereby every anti-American non-nuclear dictator of an oil-producing country that we can defeat who remains standing is a Hitler in the making, and we would have to be isolationists to avoid toppling him.

I've always thought that our real problem in the run-up to WWII wasn't our refusal to attack Berlin as soon as Germany occupied Czechoslovakia. It was the fact that we had spent 1% of national output on defense (compared to at least 4% since the end of WWII) for the two decades since the end of WWI, meaning that we had the crappiest weapons of all the belligerents, with the exception of our aircraft carriers and battleships, and the smallest army (at 100,000 men), compared to the millions of troops each of the Axis powers had mobilized. That unreadiness for war (and the fact that we were fighting major industrial powers who made their own warships, artillery and tanks, not industrial pygmies like Iraq and Libya) was what cost us dearly in the initial stages of the war, not our refusal to attempt to bomb Berlin on the day after Hitler annexed the Sudetenland. In truth, even if all 100,000 of our troops had been in France during the Phony War, they would probably have accompanied British forces out of France during the Dunkirk evacuation - they were certainly beaten by Japanese troops far inferior (in terms of equipment and tactics) to the German forces that overran Western Europe like a knife through butter.

Today's America is radically different. We spend more on defense than all of our allies and adversaries put together. In this respect, we are mirroring our spending during WWII, wherein we put out more hardware than our allies and adversaries combined. If you're an industrial pygmy like Libya, every battle matters, because deterring adversaries depends less on your (laughable) capability to inflict losses than your sheer pugnacity. If you're Uncle Sam, with the best hardware and the most equipment, nobody (except a drooling retard like bin Laden, who has never and will never be able to conquer these United States) will write you off no matter how many battles you decide not to fight. We've slaughtered tens of thousands of al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's time to declare an end to the punitive expeditions (and I think that's all they should have been - this nation-building* stuff was what comprised most of the $1.2T we invested there) and leave.

* Plus - we're not really building nations in America's image - we're subsidizing sharia states in Iraq and Afghanistan.

30 posted on 03/27/2011 1:03:16 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Nachum
The U.S. should get out of Libya and let the cards fall where they may. That would likely mean that Gaddafi remains in power. That is preferable to the Muslim Brotherhood or al-Qaida. All Obama needs to say is that "I was wrong", though that may be asking too much.

I am astounded by the series of conservatives from Rumsfeld to Bolton to Palin who are calling for Gaddafi's ouster with not a word about the Brotherhood.

Are they all so ill-informed?

31 posted on 03/27/2011 1:07:25 PM PDT by Kennard (io)
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To: Nachum

We could be in Obama’s LIE-BYA for years to come!


32 posted on 03/27/2011 1:07:30 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Nachum
Does Rumsfeld think that if we fight shoulder to shoulder with al Quida in Libya to defeat Gadhafi that al Quida will then become our buddies and be nice to us in other parts of the world? We are on the wrong side in Libya and we should admit it and either help Gadhafi defeat the al Quida and Muslim Brotherhood backed jihadists, or just get out.
33 posted on 03/27/2011 1:13:41 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Nachum

Good points. Very few will fight for Ghadaffi if they know US and most of NATO wants him out, but he isn’t the type you cross and then talk it over at his tent.


34 posted on 03/27/2011 1:21:12 PM PDT by mewykwistmas
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To: Nachum

If Gadaffy Duck remains of course it is bad for Obama.

I he goes it is reported the mulim brothhood and al quada
will rule as Cairo.

So it is a lose lose for Obama even though he may view it as a win.


35 posted on 03/27/2011 1:21:19 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: mewykwistmas
Very few will fight for Ghadaffi if they know US and most of NATO wants him out, but he isn’t the type you cross and then talk it over at his tent.

Just like how very few fought for Saddam once they knew that the US and most of NATO wanted him out? 4,400 dead GI's later, we're discovering that those "very few" can create a lot of widows and orphans stateside. Rumsfeld is an outstanding American - his problem is one that has saddled policy-makers for decades - he has Munich version, a subset of tunnel vision in which every dictator is Hitler (never mind that Hitler ruled over the No. 2 industrial power - which it had been for decades - in the world), meaning that every foreign country's security problem is also America's problem.

36 posted on 03/27/2011 1:32:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Nachum

Agreed. Not one drop of blood from our soldiers. They’ve had enough sacrificing to these ungrateful ragheads who will hate us in the end NO MATTER the outcome.


37 posted on 03/27/2011 1:39:17 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Nachum

Why exactly did we get in this mess in the 1st place?


38 posted on 03/27/2011 1:40:02 PM PDT by eak3
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To: Nachum

THIS IS NO SURPRISE!!!! Our enemies KNEW it the minute the Chicago thug was elected.


39 posted on 03/27/2011 1:45:54 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Lord Said It and I Believe it. Read your Bible. These are the end time events.)
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To: Nachum

The Russians and Chinese spilled the beans on this operation. They say that NATO is planning ground operations in Libya starting in mid April.


40 posted on 03/27/2011 1:46:51 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nachum
Obama says that it is very important to help the people of Libya but if the Libyans are so friendly then why doesn't Obama send in the ground troops that could end this war in about a week?

The only reason he doesn't is because he knows they are really Terrorists who would waste no time attacking us with road bombs.

41 posted on 03/27/2011 2:22:01 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I agree with Louis Farrakhan. Who The Hell Is Obama!?)
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To: Nachum
Yes, once we crossed the Rubicon, Daffy Duck had to go.

If we had taken action at any time in the last 25 years to get rid of the psycho tyrant and his closest conspirators it would have been righteous.

However, to have intervened in this civil war to "protect civilians" is folly never exceeded in the history of the nation.

Bad policy in every respect.

But, now we're stuck.

42 posted on 03/27/2011 2:24:05 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Psycho_Runner

I also just read the Bush book and am part way through the Rummie book. Bush sort of paints things in pastels, Don’s a little more of a literal narrator. Both have proved enlightening.


43 posted on 03/27/2011 2:45:22 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Nachum

Watched the entire interview. Gawd I miss Rumsfeld. So nice to hear the truth.


44 posted on 03/27/2011 3:44:06 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: plain talk
Now rummie jumps on the establishment bandwagon. What a crock. What will our credibility be when al qaeda takes over libya?

Well he has been a member of CFR and Trilateral Commission.

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45 posted on 03/27/2011 3:50:39 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: plain talk
Rumsfeld didn't jump on the establishment bandwagon. Now that we're in this, we don't have a choice.

Obama screwed us because we don't even know who we're backing or what Libya will be once we're done.

46 posted on 03/27/2011 3:59:05 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Nachum

Easily spoken by one who has no “skin in it”, (as all the other “exempts” as in Vampire-Care, “bank” bail-giveaway, QE, govt. raises, govt. “education” loans, and on and on). And how about North Korea Donald?


47 posted on 03/27/2011 4:11:04 PM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: GVnana
Rumsfeld didn't jump on the establishment bandwagon. Now that we're in this, we don't have a choice

We sure as hell do have a choice. Get the hell out of that place and let the Fenchies do what they want. Screw Obama and the camel he rode in on.

48 posted on 03/27/2011 4:40:03 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Nachum

Proceeding according to plan.


49 posted on 03/27/2011 5:16:59 PM PDT by ronnyquest (Barack H. Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: Gaffer

I agree with everything you have said. Madness is all around us. Everyone speaks of sending our troops into yet another danger zone as if it were all just another video game.

We have yet to understand why a ruler who was working with us against Al Queda suddenly became worthy of assassination. And “humanitarianism” is a joke of an answer.
I’m sure once we find out what is really going on, it will be too late.

People who get “whacked” by the Mafia usually get it because they know too much. I wonder..........?


50 posted on 03/27/2011 5:17:21 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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