Skip to comments.Rumsfeld: If Gadhafi Stays, U.S. Reputation Damaged, American Enemies Emboldened
Posted on 03/27/2011 11:40:08 AM PDT by Nachum
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Sounds like a win-win for Obozo.
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Our reputation was damaged about two years ago.
Damned if we do, and damned if we don’t, eh?
Better if he stays than have the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda take power.
Yes, Obama is damaging our reputation every day. But maybe we can get it back after he is gone. Better than giving the whole Arab world to the fanatics as an Eid present.
A side note: I am 3/4 of the way through his memoirs. Known and Unknown. Good reading. I find his background is actually more enjoyable than President Bushes book.
He knows whats he is talking about
I miss it with this kinetic action taking going on and all.
We can’t win either way. Either Qadaffi will stay and be a motivated menace, or we’ll continue this “kinetic military action” until Qaffadi is dead, in which case the country will be ‘free’ four about 15 minutes before going tribal and Islamist.
The “prestige” of the U.S. went into the crapper the moment Obozo took the oath of office.
Bush had Gadhafi shaking in his boots thinking he was next causing him to give up his nuclear ambitions.
This is why I was against Obama threatening Gadaffi with military action if he did not step down. All he had to say is "Gadaffi should step down." Period.
It's true we will lose more credibility in the world if we do not put in ground troops, topple Gadaffi, fight the opposition (Al Qaeda / Islamists), occupy and install a new government (A LA Iraq). But now, thanks to Obama and those supported initiating this war with what they call enforcement of a No Fly Zone but is nothing less than an aerial intervention in a civil war , that's where we stand.
Once we get stuck in Libya like we did Iraq... all eyes on Pakistan. I'm sure the protests will increase there next well beyond what we saw in Iraq. We're falling into their plans.
Once we get stuck in Libya like we did Iraq... all eyes on Pakistan. I'm sure the protests will increase there next well beyond what we saw in Egypt. We're falling into their plans.
We are becoming a paper tiger. If we are for regime change, then we need to send in the Marines to Tripoli. If not, then we need to pull our ships and planes from the theater.
I see no end to the inevitable cycle unless we are willing to give up our Western lifestyle and beliefs. Correction: capitulation to the fanatical Muslims will not work — there are Muslims fighting and killing each other.
Rummy’s right. We probably shouldn’t have gotten involved, but now that we are, the price for not seeing it through would be high. As much as I hate it, that means boots on the ground, probably. I just don’t think we can take him out with airpower alone.
Nope. Don’t buy it for one second. This is Obama’s mess. Pull it all out. Get out. Screw the Libyans and Al Quada’s “rebels”. They can kill each other.
They aren’t worth our treasure. They sure aren’t worth one soldier’s life or health.
The Euros told Obama to fetch them a ham sandwich and Obama obliged them by crawling up a hog’s ass.
What “reputation” is that? How’s this going to bring back #1 reputation to China in manufacturing and industry???
While our reputation as now being #2 to China is being ignored!
Want a reputation? How about bringing back #1.
The American enemy you should worry about being “emboldened” is in the oval office. You’d think Rummy had learned *something* at least from running around with all those knives in his back.
If he goes there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double
Except...bOTH THE REBELS & kADDAFI ARE MUSLIMS.
I shudder to think about the next movie yet to be made about a 'Blackhawk Down'........................this is a futile embroglio populated with a cascading sequence of one USA circle-jerk after another. We don't need to be subjecting America's last best hope (its soldiers) to needless exposure like this.
“Princes ought either be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so the the injury done to a Prince ought to be so severe that his vengeance cannot be feared.”
Now rummie jumps on the establishment bandwagon. What a crock. What will our credibility be when al qaeda takes over libya?
“Better if he stays than have the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda take power.”
Evil no matter which of them takes, or retakes the reins. I’d think that now that it’s confirmed that HE is thought of as quite expendable, that he will dig in, and strike out at everyone, and everything he imagines is after him. He’s probably become quite the paranoic with all of this.
This should have never happened, but it was almost guaranteed with the election of the Marxist in Chief, and the Socialist Democrats to power in 2008, who were already entrenched in the unelected positions, and bureaucracies of our government over many years.
I think we are seeing the Socialist Democrats in their Normandy invasion of our beaches, but I don’t see an Eisenhower in charge anywhere.
There might be hope.
It was Obozo who led us to this.
But don’t you see? They want the Islamists to win. That’s why they are arming them.
I've always thought that our real problem in the run-up to WWII wasn't our refusal to attack Berlin as soon as Germany occupied Czechoslovakia. It was the fact that we had spent 1% of national output on defense (compared to at least 4% since the end of WWII) for the two decades since the end of WWI, meaning that we had the crappiest weapons of all the belligerents, with the exception of our aircraft carriers and battleships, and the smallest army (at 100,000 men), compared to the millions of troops each of the Axis powers had mobilized. That unreadiness for war (and the fact that we were fighting major industrial powers who made their own warships, artillery and tanks, not industrial pygmies like Iraq and Libya) was what cost us dearly in the initial stages of the war, not our refusal to attempt to bomb Berlin on the day after Hitler annexed the Sudetenland. In truth, even if all 100,000 of our troops had been in France during the Phony War, they would probably have accompanied British forces out of France during the Dunkirk evacuation - they were certainly beaten by Japanese troops far inferior (in terms of equipment and tactics) to the German forces that overran Western Europe like a knife through butter.
Today's America is radically different. We spend more on defense than all of our allies and adversaries put together. In this respect, we are mirroring our spending during WWII, wherein we put out more hardware than our allies and adversaries combined. If you're an industrial pygmy like Libya, every battle matters, because deterring adversaries depends less on your (laughable) capability to inflict losses than your sheer pugnacity. If you're Uncle Sam, with the best hardware and the most equipment, nobody (except a drooling retard like bin Laden, who has never and will never be able to conquer these United States) will write you off no matter how many battles you decide not to fight. We've slaughtered tens of thousands of al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's time to declare an end to the punitive expeditions (and I think that's all they should have been - this nation-building* stuff was what comprised most of the $1.2T we invested there) and leave.
* Plus - we're not really building nations in America's image - we're subsidizing sharia states in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am astounded by the series of conservatives from Rumsfeld to Bolton to Palin who are calling for Gaddafi's ouster with not a word about the Brotherhood.
Are they all so ill-informed?
We could be in Obamas LIE-BYA for years to come!
Good points. Very few will fight for Ghadaffi if they know US and most of NATO wants him out, but he isn’t the type you cross and then talk it over at his tent.
If Gadaffy Duck remains of course it is bad for Obama.
I he goes it is reported the mulim brothhood and al quada
will rule as Cairo.
So it is a lose lose for Obama even though he may view it as a win.
Just like how very few fought for Saddam once they knew that the US and most of NATO wanted him out? 4,400 dead GI's later, we're discovering that those "very few" can create a lot of widows and orphans stateside. Rumsfeld is an outstanding American - his problem is one that has saddled policy-makers for decades - he has Munich version, a subset of tunnel vision in which every dictator is Hitler (never mind that Hitler ruled over the No. 2 industrial power - which it had been for decades - in the world), meaning that every foreign country's security problem is also America's problem.
Agreed. Not one drop of blood from our soldiers. They’ve had enough sacrificing to these ungrateful ragheads who will hate us in the end NO MATTER the outcome.
Why exactly did we get in this mess in the 1st place?
THIS IS NO SURPRISE!!!! Our enemies KNEW it the minute the Chicago thug was elected.
The Russians and Chinese spilled the beans on this operation. They say that NATO is planning ground operations in Libya starting in mid April.
The only reason he doesn't is because he knows they are really Terrorists who would waste no time attacking us with road bombs.
If we had taken action at any time in the last 25 years to get rid of the psycho tyrant and his closest conspirators it would have been righteous.
However, to have intervened in this civil war to "protect civilians" is folly never exceeded in the history of the nation.
Bad policy in every respect.
But, now we're stuck.
I also just read the Bush book and am part way through the Rummie book. Bush sort of paints things in pastels, Don’s a little more of a literal narrator. Both have proved enlightening.
Watched the entire interview. Gawd I miss Rumsfeld. So nice to hear the truth.
Obama screwed us because we don't even know who we're backing or what Libya will be once we're done.
Easily spoken by one who has no “skin in it”, (as all the other “exempts” as in Vampire-Care, “bank” bail-giveaway, QE, govt. raises, govt. “education” loans, and on and on). And how about North Korea Donald?
We sure as hell do have a choice. Get the hell out of that place and let the Fenchies do what they want. Screw Obama and the camel he rode in on.
Proceeding according to plan.
I agree with everything you have said. Madness is all around us. Everyone speaks of sending our troops into yet another danger zone as if it were all just another video game.
We have yet to understand why a ruler who was working with us against Al Queda suddenly became worthy of assassination. And “humanitarianism” is a joke of an answer.
I’m sure once we find out what is really going on, it will be too late.
People who get “whacked” by the Mafia usually get it because they know too much. I wonder..........?