Sounds like a win-win for Obozo.
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Our reputation was damaged about two years ago.
Damned if we do, and damned if we don’t, eh?
Better if he stays than have the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda take power.
Yes, Obama is damaging our reputation every day. But maybe we can get it back after he is gone. Better than giving the whole Arab world to the fanatics as an Eid present.
I miss it with this kinetic action taking going on and all.
We can’t win either way. Either Qadaffi will stay and be a motivated menace, or we’ll continue this “kinetic military action” until Qaffadi is dead, in which case the country will be ‘free’ four about 15 minutes before going tribal and Islamist.
The “prestige” of the U.S. went into the crapper the moment Obozo took the oath of office.
Bush had Gadhafi shaking in his boots thinking he was next causing him to give up his nuclear ambitions.
This is why I was against Obama threatening Gadaffi with military action if he did not step down. All he had to say is "Gadaffi should step down." Period.
It's true we will lose more credibility in the world if we do not put in ground troops, topple Gadaffi, fight the opposition (Al Qaeda / Islamists), occupy and install a new government (A LA Iraq). But now, thanks to Obama and those supported initiating this war with what they call enforcement of a No Fly Zone but is nothing less than an aerial intervention in a civil war , that's where we stand.
Once we get stuck in Libya like we did Iraq... all eyes on Pakistan. I'm sure the protests will increase there next well beyond what we saw in Iraq. We're falling into their plans.
I see no end to the inevitable cycle unless we are willing to give up our Western lifestyle and beliefs. Correction: capitulation to the fanatical Muslims will not work — there are Muslims fighting and killing each other.
Rummy’s right. We probably shouldn’t have gotten involved, but now that we are, the price for not seeing it through would be high. As much as I hate it, that means boots on the ground, probably. I just don’t think we can take him out with airpower alone.
The Euros told Obama to fetch them a ham sandwich and Obama obliged them by crawling up a hog’s ass.
The American enemy you should worry about being “emboldened” is in the oval office. You’d think Rummy had learned *something* at least from running around with all those knives in his back.
If he goes there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double
Except...bOTH THE REBELS & kADDAFI ARE MUSLIMS.
I shudder to think about the next movie yet to be made about a 'Blackhawk Down'........................this is a futile embroglio populated with a cascading sequence of one USA circle-jerk after another. We don't need to be subjecting America's last best hope (its soldiers) to needless exposure like this.
“Princes ought either be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so the the injury done to a Prince ought to be so severe that his vengeance cannot be feared.”
Now rummie jumps on the establishment bandwagon. What a crock. What will our credibility be when al qaeda takes over libya?
It was Obozo who led us to this.
I've always thought that our real problem in the run-up to WWII wasn't our refusal to attack Berlin as soon as Germany occupied Czechoslovakia. It was the fact that we had spent 1% of national output on defense (compared to at least 4% since the end of WWII) for the two decades since the end of WWI, meaning that we had the crappiest weapons of all the belligerents, with the exception of our aircraft carriers and battleships, and the smallest army (at 100,000 men), compared to the millions of troops each of the Axis powers had mobilized. That unreadiness for war (and the fact that we were fighting major industrial powers who made their own warships, artillery and tanks, not industrial pygmies like Iraq and Libya) was what cost us dearly in the initial stages of the war, not our refusal to attempt to bomb Berlin on the day after Hitler annexed the Sudetenland. In truth, even if all 100,000 of our troops had been in France during the Phony War, they would probably have accompanied British forces out of France during the Dunkirk evacuation - they were certainly beaten by Japanese troops far inferior (in terms of equipment and tactics) to the German forces that overran Western Europe like a knife through butter.
Today's America is radically different. We spend more on defense than all of our allies and adversaries put together. In this respect, we are mirroring our spending during WWII, wherein we put out more hardware than our allies and adversaries combined. If you're an industrial pygmy like Libya, every battle matters, because deterring adversaries depends less on your (laughable) capability to inflict losses than your sheer pugnacity. If you're Uncle Sam, with the best hardware and the most equipment, nobody (except a drooling retard like bin Laden, who has never and will never be able to conquer these United States) will write you off no matter how many battles you decide not to fight. We've slaughtered tens of thousands of al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's time to declare an end to the punitive expeditions (and I think that's all they should have been - this nation-building* stuff was what comprised most of the $1.2T we invested there) and leave.
* Plus - we're not really building nations in America's image - we're subsidizing sharia states in Iraq and Afghanistan.