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Atheist Christopher Hitchens turns to evangelical Christian doctor in his fight against cancer
Daily Mail ^ | March 26 2011 | Simon Neville

Posted on 03/28/2011 1:05:51 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

The last person you might expect Christopher Hitchens, one of the world’s best known atheists, to turn to for help would be an evangelical Christian.

But a highly religious doctor might be the only individual who can help the author and journalist who is suffering from cancer.

Hitchens, author of God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; cancer; christians; christopherhitchens; darwim; evangelicals; evolution; franciscollins; genome; hitchens
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I wonder if Hitchens will be calling him a science-denier or any of the other usual anti-christian epithets as he receives treatment.
1 posted on 03/28/2011 1:05:57 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

What is the biggest problem for an atheist?
No one to talk to during an orgasm.


2 posted on 03/28/2011 1:21:10 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I pray the God grant Christopher Hitchens comfort and faith during these difficult times.


3 posted on 03/28/2011 1:29:58 AM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: Rennes Templar

“What is the biggest problem for an atheist?
No one to talk to during an orgasm.”

Thanks for the chuckle.


4 posted on 03/28/2011 1:49:57 AM PDT by pops88 (geek chick over 40)
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To: PanzerKardinal

I agree with you, in Jesus’ Holy Name, Amen.


5 posted on 03/28/2011 2:00:03 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

they’re actually good friends and have appeared together in debates.


6 posted on 03/28/2011 2:01:39 AM PDT by balch3
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I wish him the best.

Maybe this is God’s way of getting his attention before it’s too late.


7 posted on 03/28/2011 2:02:56 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Hey, this might be God’s little humorous prod at Hitchens. Specially if the doctor cures him.


8 posted on 03/28/2011 2:50:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Ditto.


9 posted on 03/28/2011 2:52:38 AM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
The last person you might expect Christopher Hitchens, one of the world’s best known atheists, to turn to for help would be an evangelical Christian.

The salient word left out of this statement is Physician.

I doubt he chose the man for his religious views, but rather his training skill and success as a physician.

I find no hypocrisy here.

10 posted on 03/28/2011 3:24:19 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

The thesis is completely deceptive—he’s consulting him as a doctor, not as a believer.

If Hitchens didn’t deal with this guy, he’d be called a bigot. He’s following his medical advice, and now people are trying to suggest he’s a hypocrite.


11 posted on 03/28/2011 3:25:04 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (We don't need no stinkin' consistency!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
While I think Hitchens has taken opportunity in the past to speak horribly about some very good men who had just died, I hope Hitchens does not die from his horrible illness.

I hope he puts away the presuppositions which blind him to the truth of a loving God and fallen man in a sinful world.

12 posted on 03/28/2011 3:33:34 AM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah dying of cancer is hilarious. That God-—what a prankster.


13 posted on 03/28/2011 4:02:06 AM PDT by Huck (Fools make feasts and wise men eat them - Poor Richard)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I told Chris one day in Washington DC as I was shaking his hand. He had just finished a speech about Bill Clinton’s worthless ways. I said, “God chooses the least likely among us to do his work.” I hope he still remembers that.


14 posted on 03/28/2011 4:06:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Huck

When he can do an instant rescue — who’s the joke on?


15 posted on 03/28/2011 4:07:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Double Amen.


16 posted on 03/28/2011 4:08:23 AM PDT by Infralutheran
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To: Mikey_1962

Me either. There are many athiest physicians, many agnostic, many Christian (and other religious) physicians.

The only one I would choose NOT to go to is one who performs frequent, late term aborions. And, if my life were in serious danger, I’d even accept their help.

Pretty soon we won’t have ANY doctors, if O-care doesn’t get stopped !


17 posted on 03/28/2011 4:08:59 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Elleb)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah, that’s some joke. Hey, how about kids dying of cancer. Now that’s a real scream!


18 posted on 03/28/2011 4:13:20 AM PDT by Huck (Fools make feasts and wise men eat them - Poor Richard)
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To: Huck

The issue generalizes to why the presence of death and decay at all in the creation?

Once that question is answered, all the specific issues are addressed too.


19 posted on 03/28/2011 4:15:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: All

In the only realm that really matters, Hitchens is already dead. Continued prayers that he will awaken to real life before it is too late.


20 posted on 03/28/2011 4:18:20 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It will now be thoroughly impossible for him to ever refer to Christians as “stupid” without looking ridiculous.


21 posted on 03/28/2011 4:21:31 AM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Reagan69

That’s funny. I’d use my last remaining strength to strangle the murderer to death.


22 posted on 03/28/2011 4:24:46 AM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Soothesayer

That is pretty bigoted of him, as there isn’t any proof that faith in the supernatural makes a person any less skilled to deal with the technical affairs of earthly existence. Even in the most hotly disputed area — many conventional evolutionary theory nonbelievers can regurgitate the theory with the “best” of them, but beg to disagree with it as a sufficient explanation for why there is life on earth or how it got where it is.


23 posted on 03/28/2011 4:34:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

W.C Fields was an atheist... but not forever. Upon his death bed, a close frind walked in and caught WC reading the Bible... “Why” asked his friend... “Looking for loopholes”, was the answer.

LLS


24 posted on 03/28/2011 4:36:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
“In the only realm that really matters, Hitchens is already dead. Continued prayers that he will awaken to real life before it is too late.”

Here in lies the irony, atheists require a God to deny.

Agnosticism troubles itself with neither good nor evil, God or devil.

I believe that many atheists will repent and know the Living God while many traditional church goers will be part of the great falling away. Traditional, meaning, social, not born again.

As for the some on this subject that are lampooning God for sickness in children, creation is full of death, Christ died and was resurrected to end this cycle. Their sarcasm is crueler than the child dying, for they would shut that same child out from the promise of hope in the new creation.

25 posted on 03/28/2011 5:19:50 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

‘Athiests’ like to spout off and be ‘cool’ but when it comes down to the nitty gritty..


26 posted on 03/28/2011 5:19:59 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
The article doesn't explain why he chose to go an experimental route nor does it say if he's paying for it instead of the British NHS.

I can't recall noticing him since the Clinton years but wish him health.

27 posted on 03/28/2011 5:42:00 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Has "let me be clear" become a drinking game yet?)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Too often, atheists refer to lack of heaven on earth as “proof” for their position.
Others don’t believe “temptation” is “fair”.


28 posted on 03/28/2011 5:42:36 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Mikey_1962

The hypocrisy is that he talks about how religion is for fools, denies science, and poisons everything...yet when his life is on he line he is going to not just a Christian doctor but an evangelical one.

I understand the point that he chose him for being a doctor and not for being a Christian. The point you and others are missing is that his choice shows his contention that religion is for the uneducated masses is BS. At least when your life is on the line and you are not promoting a book.

Hopefully he will be saved in the way that matters.


29 posted on 03/28/2011 5:44:12 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: newzjunkey

Hitchens is an American citizen now.


30 posted on 03/28/2011 5:44:34 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950), is an American physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP) and described by the Endocrine Society as "one of the most accomplished scientists of our time".[1][2] He currently serves as Director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland.

Hitchens never went back to good old England with it's gummint medicine to find a a new cure for his cancer.

31 posted on 03/28/2011 5:45:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Soothesayer

Is the converse also valid?


32 posted on 03/28/2011 5:58:11 AM PDT by monocle
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To: icwhatudo
The hypocrisy is that he talks about how religion is for fools,

And I am sure he still believes that.

He was hiring a physician not a Pope.

I have no idea what religion my Cardiologist is, and it wouldn't matter anyway.

Results not religious beliefs is what we are all hiring when we hire a professional.

I see no hypocrisy.

33 posted on 03/28/2011 6:05:37 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Maybe Hitch has found his foxhole.


34 posted on 03/28/2011 6:07:45 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: Mikey_1962
“I have no idea what religion my Cardiologist is”

Hitchens does.....that's the irony.

35 posted on 03/28/2011 6:19:02 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Mikey_1962
I see no hypocrisy.

It is as plain as day. Hitchens has not been shy about insisting that Christians are anti-science, stupid, anti-reality, etc. Being a good doctor involves application of scientific principles, coping carefully with reality accurately, and applying all of your intellect to the very best of your ability. By trusting in the intellect, skill and scientific knowledge of a professing Christian, Hitchens is guilty of rank hypocrisy. I pray it leads him to confront the contradictions in his life.

36 posted on 03/28/2011 6:19:20 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Ephesians 2:8-10)
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I have no idea what religion my Cardiologist is, and it wouldn't matter anyway.

Agreed. But if you truly believed your Cardiologist was a fool, and then picked him to save your life. It would make you a liar or a hypocrite.

37 posted on 03/28/2011 6:19:30 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

People who never give God a thought comes to prayer warriors when they run into trouble.

But God isn’t a respecter of persons. If the one who never thought of God comes to Him in repentance and sincerity of heart, God will hear his prayer, too.


38 posted on 03/28/2011 6:20:55 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Puckster

so true


39 posted on 03/28/2011 6:50:46 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: PanzerKardinal; skr
In agreement.

Father God, I acknowledge your unwavering love for Christopher Hitchens. As I speak the name 'Christopher', I declare him to be a Christ-bearer. I ask that You reveal Yourself to him in fullness. I pray that he receive the height and depth of Your overpowering love. I ask that Christ invade his heart and soul, and that Your gracious restoration would take place in him. As far as east is from west, You remove us from our transgressions. I declare that Christopher 'Christ-Bearer' Hitchens will be healed, restored, and be a mighty witness for Your Kingdom here on Earth. As it is loosed in heaven, so let it be loosed here on earth. For all things work for good to those who love You and are called according to Your purpose. Lift him up, Lord. Change him, fill him with zeal, and make him a mighty warrior for your Kingdom. In Christ's precious name I pray, amen.

Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.

-Matthew 18:19-

40 posted on 03/28/2011 7:13:02 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: icwhatudo
Agreed. But if you truly believed your Cardiologist was a fool, and then picked him to save your life. It would make you a liar or a hypocrite.

To have foolish beliefs or superstitions does not make one a fool.

Finding the best possible professional in the area of concern, that is unrelated to other disconcerting areas of knowledge or belief, is the rational pursuit of self interest not hypocrisy.

To your salient point: Hitchens clearly does not believe this physician is a fool, however he feels about his beliefs.

41 posted on 03/28/2011 7:22:11 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Liberty1970

People are capable of being logical on some issues and illogical about others. If the guy has enough medical credentials to be considered an expert about cancer, rejecting his advice would be religious bigotry.


42 posted on 03/28/2011 7:29:51 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Liberty1970; icwhatudo

I know many of you happily post without reading the article upon which the thread is based, but you end up looking like fools. You commit a mistake common to us all, you assume based on past knowledge of the subject and in this case, as is often true, you assume wrong.

Hitchens has not changed his mind and he did not choose the doctor because of his Christianity. He and the doctor know each other well and have debated many times. They are friends. The doctor has been doing research on the human genome. He chose the doctor because the doctor has a new experimental cancer treatment which deals with the differences in the DNA of the healthy cells and the cancerous ones in a person’s body. Hitchens says he hopes the treatment works because if it doesn’t he doesn’t know where else to turn, but he has not changed his religious views.


43 posted on 03/28/2011 8:05:17 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government!)
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I never said anything about Hitchens changing his religious views. I said he was a hypocrite. Now you are trying to explain away his hypocrisy.

Let's say Hitchens said 'population X' makes lousy plumbers. Then he hires someone from population X to do some plumbing. Explaining that his plumber has some new technique would not change the fact that Hitchens was a hypocrite.

Science is founded on the belief that nature obeys laws because there is a Lawgiver over nature. It has always been modernist atheists who are irrational regarding their beliefs about science; this is why postmodernist atheists are more consistent in denying the laws of nature, because they deny the Lawgiver.

44 posted on 03/28/2011 10:49:45 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Ephesians 2:8-10)
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To: Liberty1970

From your reply I am assuming that Hitchens said Christians make lousy doctors. I have not been following him enough to know that. If he said there is a contradiction between Christianity and science then he is wrong. However, I don’t see that that makes him a hypocrite. It simply makes him wrong. I also don’t think that him going to a doctor who has an experimental treatment after all other treatments have failed makes him a hypocrite. The fact the doctor is a Christian is immaterial.

You may enjoy this thread:

New World Order, New Age Religion

My first comment is at post # 52. The thread is about 550 posts strong and counting.


45 posted on 03/28/2011 11:16:40 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government!)
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To: Hoodat

And Amen!

Wouldn’t it be a wonderful blessing for the family that they can know that whatever happens, they will all be together again in Heaven? This must be very painful on all levels for his Christian loved ones.


46 posted on 03/28/2011 12:57:47 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I know many of you happily post without reading the article upon which the thread is based

I read the article.

but you end up looking like fools.

The only one looking like a fool is the person claiming others did not read an article when they have no idea if they did or not.

You commit a mistake common to us all, you assume based on past knowledge of the subject and in this case, as is often true, you assume wrong.

I assumed nothing. You are the one who admitted to not following him well enough to know the statements he has made in regards to Christians and science etc. As far as assuming...isn't that what you just did to me about whether I read the article or not? You assumed wrong.

Hitchens has not changed his mind and he did not choose the doctor because of his Christianity.

Show me where I said he choose the doctor because of his Christianity. As for changing his mind, I have no idea what you mean by that.

He and the doctor know each other well and have debated many times. They are friends. The doctor has been doing research on the human genome. He chose the doctor because the doctor has a new experimental cancer treatment which deals with the differences in the DNA of the healthy cells and the cancerous ones in a person’s body.

None of which has anything to do with the point I made.

Hitchens says he hopes the treatment works because if it doesn’t he doesn’t know where else to turn, but he has not changed his religious views.

Show me where I said he changed his religious views or be more careful who you call a fool.

47 posted on 03/28/2011 1:25:54 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: icwhatudo
But if you truly believed your Cardiologist was a fool, and then picked him to save your life. It would make you a liar or a hypocrite.

I think Lefties are fools when it comes to politics, but if I'm in need of the best Cardiologist in town who also happened to also be a leftie, I'd go to him. (I just wouldn't let him know I'm a 'heartless' conservative. ;~))

Take talent and skill where you can find it. IMHO, it is foolish to do otherwise.

Many people are wise or skilled in some things and all people are foolish or ignorant in many things. No one has it all and no one is even close to having it all.

48 posted on 03/28/2011 1:59:56 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: icwhatudo

After re-reading your posts, it is my understanding that your very narrow point is that Hitchens is a hypocrite. You base that, as I understand it, on his choosing a doctor who is a Christian. Is that correct so far?


49 posted on 03/28/2011 2:06:45 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

We had a goofy leftist local talk show host, Kevin Lynn, who said that he wouldn’t go to a creationist doctor b/c he wouldn’t use “science”. What a fool! Bob


50 posted on 03/28/2011 8:02:57 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I don't wanna think. Just leave me here to drink, wrapped up in the warmth of New York City." Al S.)
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