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Anti-gay Vatican plays victim card, wants tolerance for homophobia
National Examiner ^ | March 24th, 2011 | Michael Stone

Posted on 03/28/2011 3:09:36 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: presidio9

Are these people stupid? What is all this hooker and pimp talk from the left? The Vatican helps prostitutes and gays and displays affection to gays for condemning this perverted satan and animalistic baiting human rights charter glorifying sex abuse covered up by drugs, misleading emotions, body pleasure and a biscuit.

21 posted on 03/28/2011 4:01:22 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Da Coyote

Sam Kinison years ago was targeted by gays for his simple (yet graphic) routine about what they actually do. It really put things in perspective, especially when they called him sick for being “anti-gay.”

22 posted on 03/28/2011 4:11:16 PM PDT by scott7278 (and"...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: presidio9; caldera599; KrisKrinkle; DJ MacWoW

The Catholic Church in its teachings follows reasonable scholarship,concluding Christian faith cannot advocate homosexual relationship or marriage. The entire Bible, in speaking of the character, identity, and purpose of God, continuously addresses the issue of homosexual behavior. The scriptures say that in addition to creating all things, God created a single institution, which was marriage between a man and woman as the earthy manifestation of the oneness of relationship He seeks with all human beings. Any arguments from the scriptures including the catechism must move forward from that foundation.

Throughout the Bible He is spoken of as masculine, and all humans become feminine in relation to Him; become the Bride of Christ. To restore relationship lost in Eden, God sent Christ to die for all human sins, but people must repent of, reject all their sins. To pursue sexual sin including fornication, adultery, or homosexual behavior is to reject His identity and His character, and therefore repudiate His gift of salvation enabling relationship with Him.

In Him absolute righteousness and absolute love achieves perfect justice. The scriptures provide no prescription or no equivalent of a legal “safe haven” for this issue. Humans are left with a moral paradox requiring them to come before Him in faith. His solution compromises neither His righteousness, nor His unconditional love in guiding each person who lives in a fallen world, and struggles with aspects of a fallen nature which may include falling into a trap of homosexual behavior.

Others may construct apologetics for homosexual relationship or marriage by using comforting social justice homilies to weave together selected Old and New Testament scriptures, but these are intellectually flawed approaches. Jesus’ teachings are prophecies about life based on relationship in Him, and not prescriptions of behavior standards to gain admittance to His Kingdom of Heaven. In advocating homosexual relationships, Christian leaders must abandon sound scholarship to fabricate a god of their own design. The result is comforting, popular, and easily controlled.

C. S. Lewis knew that the Christian God was not a tame lion. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remains timeless, all knowing, all powerful, terrible, unconditionally loving, and awaits humanity’s plea to Him.

23 posted on 03/28/2011 4:12:59 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: burroak

Sodomites were the problem.

24 posted on 03/28/2011 4:21:04 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Venturer
OK, the rules are:

This whole shameful, inexcusable, gut-wrenching abuse crisis has revealed two "links" concerning the Church: the "strong link" here is doctrine, which is excellent; the "weak link" has been discipline, or in other words, enforcement, which in many places ha been disgustingly lax. But that's turned around under Benedict XVI: he has made it his priority, and that has made a world of difference. And it's about time. Thank God.

Good article here (Link), followed by some very penetrating comments. It may be of interest to you.

25 posted on 03/28/2011 4:49:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.)
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To: Venturer

They started dumping them when they had to shell out millions; now it is reason to be barred from the seminary. Took a lot of money lost to motivate them, but I think that little lesson in tolerance is over. The days are gone when anyone is going to cover up for a freaky priest; costs just too much, and some of these officials must know how close they themselves came to being charged as accessories.

26 posted on 03/28/2011 5:06:21 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: presidio9

Hmm... Homophobe = victim = government grant. I sense a business opportunity here.

27 posted on 03/28/2011 5:08:41 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: a fool in paradise

The countries that oppose the liberal/progressive agenda are the ones populating the world, while the decadent West recedes into the shadows with their diminishing birthrates. Unfortunately for Western libs, the pets they have instead of children can’t be indoctrinated in the New Way...

28 posted on 03/28/2011 5:09:02 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Some African countries that also have Christians and animists are very “intolerant”; the Anglican bishops in West Africa were furious about the promotion of that “gay bishop” (Robinson?), and many left the larger body in protest. When the Western churches threatened to withhold funds from their African brethren, most of them didn’t bat an eye and walked out. One of their bishops publicly proclaimed that the episode demonstrated that Satan was alive & well in the Anglican union.

29 posted on 03/28/2011 5:13:06 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: DJ MacWoW


The whole structure of the Church is filled with the enablers or sex offenders who have assulted the most vulnerable among us.

30 posted on 03/28/2011 5:15:27 PM PDT by burroak
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To: burroak

Not everyone is guilty and the Catholic Church is one of the few standing up to the homosexual agenda. And I’m not Catholic.

31 posted on 03/28/2011 5:30:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: presidio9

Sodomy nazis invented the word “homophobe” to disparage and prevent rational thinking on same-sex attraction disorder.

What sodomites really want in our society is affirmation—enthusiastic endorsement—and they don’t care if it comes at the point of a gun. There is a reason that they seem compelled to broadcast their practice of sodomy to the entire world, with stickers, flags, marches, indoctrination of children, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It’s not about rights: that’s just boob-bait for liberal bubbas. What they really want is for every single human being to applaud, pat them on the back, and tell them how strong and great they are for being sodomites, whenever and wherever they prance in and commence to swan about. They want to thrust their perversion into the face of each individual resident of planet Earth, and be met with nothing but compliments and homage. Not even that will make them happy, though, as they’ll still have to deal with their awareness of the disordered nature of their behavior.

32 posted on 03/28/2011 5:55:09 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Venturer; HiTech RedNeck; Mrs. Don-o; kearnyirish2
I like the Catholics stand on Homosexuals and Pedophilia, Now if they would place actions where their words are and dump Homosexual and Pedophile Priests we would be in complete agreement.

A good refresher is always helpful:

No need to differentiate between "homosexual" and "pedophile" priests, as they are virtually always one in the same. The media never wants you to know that overwhelming majority of complaints against Catholic priests were based on "consensual" relationships between those priests and gay teens who later found out from lawyers and people who played lawyers on TV that the money store was officially open. Not that statutory rape is excusable, but hardly the same as honest to goodness pedophilia. Sad, really, because a lot of that money that went to pay off those fag teenagers who had second thoughts would have gone to people who really needed it. The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on the planet. Sad also, because the idea of a "pedophile priest" is basically a fallacy. For all intents and purposes, none of the "victims" were little boys (or little girls for that matter). A Catholic priest is actually less likely to sexually abuse a minor than the male population in general. And pedophilia accusations are generally less common among among the Catholic clergy than among the clergy of just about any other religion you can name? Why? Easy: There is significantly more accountability and oversight within the Catholic clergy than in the other major (and minor) religions. That's the point of a hierarchy in the first place.

So where did this stereoype come from? Partially from the liberal media: The Catholic Church is, of course the world's greatest advocates of the pro-life, pro-family, anti-homosexual, pro- private charity, and pro-decency initiatives. Liberals hate that. Also, Catholicism being the nation's (and the world's) top religious denomination, there is a larger sample of priests to choose from, and a story makes a greater impact when it comes from there. Finally, as evidenced on FR, there is still plenty of anti-Catholic bigotry to go around in this world. A perfect example is a thread like this. A story written by homosexual criticizing the Church, always attracts a few jackasses who need to take his side and find another irrelevant fault to pile on.

The MSM loves to attack priests for something they are statistically no more guilty of than anyone else. Kids are actually in far greater danger in any number of situations, so why doesn't someone try to hijack every thread about coaches, or karate teachers, or scout leaders, or camp counselors, or day care providers, or rabbis, or ministers, or public school teacers. Shouldn't have to think too hard. You already know the answer.

33 posted on 03/28/2011 9:55:57 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: burroak
What do they have to complain about, the Holy Roman Catholic Church should be prosecuted in the RICO statues.

And what about your own religion (as Christ would certainly say if he were on this trhread)?

34 posted on 03/28/2011 9:58:05 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The number of convicted priests the amounts of money spent to settle claims, the bankruptcy threats of dioceses and the institutional cover ups by relocating priests are overwhelming evidence of RICO violations.

Don’t go for the head fake. Look at what they are doing not what they are saying.

35 posted on 03/28/2011 10:00:04 PM PDT by burroak
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To: presidio9

Christ had not trouble with driving out the money changers from the temple; I’m sure he would have no trouble taking aggressive action to the perverts that institutionally abuse those whom he said, “Suffer the little children and bring them unto me.”

Do your home work an the concept of “Turn the Other Cheek” it’s not what you think.

God, and by extension, Christ can be angered. They are just slow to anger.

36 posted on 03/28/2011 10:06:12 PM PDT by burroak
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To: burroak
“Suffer the little children and bring them unto me.”

Clearly you either do not understand the nature of the problem itself, or you are being intentially liberal with your metaphor. Either one disqualifies you as an imparial critic.

And the first thing Christ would tell you would be to fix the problem in your own house before worrying about what goes on in other houses.

Catholicism does not presume to be perfect. Identify your own perfect faith and I'll look into it.

37 posted on 03/28/2011 10:13:51 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

Just gotta say that it seems like you’re baiting the trolls by posting this crap. I mean, seriously. A homosexual activist from Portland, Oregon in “The National Examiner??? At least the comments on this thread are better reasoned than the original article.

38 posted on 03/28/2011 11:28:11 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: kearnyirish2
Took a lot of money lost to motivate them, but I think that little lesson in tolerance is over.

I think they had a deeper problem with a seminary cabal similar to those organized by gay men in other churches. The gays succeeded in rolling the Western Anglicans. (IMHO they used female ordination both as a stalking-horse and as a strategic ploy: I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine, and together we'll mug the squares totally.)

s The homosexual Anglicans still have to deal with the Imperials -- Church of India, Anglicans in Africa and elsewhere who refuse to drink the Kool-Aid.

The Catholic Rota is on the job now after taking four or five years to realize the depth of the problem.

The Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians are very, very close to getting rolled, if they haven't been already. This conspiracy has been underway since the mid-60's.

My estimate of the situation, anyway.

39 posted on 03/29/2011 12:46:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: KrisKrinkle
Since when is a phobia bigotry?

Gays abuse "phobia" and "phobe" deliberately as a propaganda technique called "jamming", trying to make righteous, honest people feel bad about themselves not on merit but out of direct, hostile malice aimed at shutting them up and shaming their honesty, dishonestly.

It's pure evil. Pay them no mind, except to contradict them -- with a bullhorn, if necessary.

40 posted on 03/29/2011 12:52:24 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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