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Believe it or not, Harvard chemists can snuff flames with electricity
Fuel Fix ^
| March 29, 2011
| Eric Berger
Posted on 03/29/2011 9:13:07 AM PDT by thackney
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To: Lees Swrd
I know for a fact it was 400,001 years ago. What month?
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:35:52 AM PDT
by
JohnG45
To: JohnG45
Ohhh you got me there lol!
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:37:46 AM PDT
by
Lees Swrd
("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
To: backwoods-engineer
The reverse, using Hi freq current to generate a flame, has been done for many years, e.g. inductively coupled plasma in spectrometers
Temps are around 10000 deg C, more then the surface of the Sun
A plasma flame like this here is generated by ~1000W at 27 MHz chased thru a 3 winding coil.
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:42:52 AM PDT
by
Koracan
To: backwoods-engineer
Audio applied to a candle flame via wire intended for a speaker will delight you with audio generated from the flame. Feed it with a cheap radio or an iPod. Very good high frequency response.
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:43:26 AM PDT
by
Myrddin
To: thackney
Only the morons at Harvard would use massive amounts of power to put out a small fire.
Could be working on Thorium based nuclear power, understanding gravity or electromagnetism, or pretty much anything else.
Only Harvard would come up with ‘Let’s throw money at the fire and see if it goes out’
When do you think burning that place down will sound like the reasonable thing to do? I guess they can buy copper ont the spot market and put big coils around all the buildings. Get a couple of big alligator clips and wait for the reasonable people to storm the place.
At the right moment, they clip into an e-gen panel and put the fire out.
Harvard and Apple - to institutions creating solutions in search of a problem.
They should get together with the idiots across the river from them and discuss what they are going to do to fix the mess they made out of their foundation money.
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:51:12 AM PDT
by
RinaseaofDs
(Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
To: thackney
Only the morons at Harvard would use massive amounts of power to put out a small fire.
Could be working on Thorium based nuclear power, understanding gravity or electromagnetism, or pretty much anything else.
Only Harvard would come up with ‘Let’s throw money at the fire and see if it goes out’
When do you think burning that place down will sound like the reasonable thing to do? I guess they can buy copper ont the spot market and put big coils around all the buildings. Get a couple of big alligator clips and wait for the reasonable people to storm the place.
At the right moment, they clip into an e-gen panel and put the fire out.
Harvard and Apple - two institutions creating solutions in search of a problem.
They should get together with the idiots across the river from them and discuss what they are going to do to fix the mess they made out of their foundation money.
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:51:29 AM PDT
by
RinaseaofDs
(Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
To: proudpapa
About the time the first aliens visited earth?
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:54:19 AM PDT
by
Joe Boucher
((FUBO) Obammy, the man is too small.)
To: thackney
BRAIN-STORM: From my "pea-brain" non-scientific point of view:
1) If this new discovery about "electrical/magnetic
affects on fire" and can extinguish it ... what about a "kin-ship" such as;
a) Cancer ... where treatment is being "resisted", by our own body, or as;
b) Insulin for diabetics is being "resisted" ... so, common theory;
Question:
What "IF" water, which disolves many things, such as
"cleaning agents" and are effectively activated with water ...
What "IF" water added to cancer medicine and/or insulin,
but concentrated to the "outer regions", blocking off and
"suffocating" the cancer and/or insulin resistant areas.
This would be similar to electricity "snuffing" out
the fire by pushing it away from the fire source?
... just brain-storming ... ya know ... who knows? ... maybe this whole discovery
may bring out many answers to our "human condition"???
Do NOT knock any ideas ... brain-storming is GOOD!
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posted on
03/29/2011 9:57:42 AM PDT
by
slickfree
(My favorite TV series "HOUSE" -- I will not view this any more -- Thanks Lisa!)
To: thackney
Our hypothesis was that if we could find any new way to control flames in a novel way, we have a real chance to make a real big impact, And if you make a big impact you can make a big paycheck while you are impacting.
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posted on
03/29/2011 10:02:48 AM PDT
by
Sawdring
To: RinaseaofDs
You consider 600 Watts, 6 lightbulbs, a massive amount if power?
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posted on
03/29/2011 10:16:45 AM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
To: thackney
Very cool. Thanks for the post.
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posted on
03/29/2011 10:22:42 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(The only thing higher than Obama's chin, is his ass facing West five times a day.)
To: backwoods-engineer
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posted on
03/29/2011 10:27:38 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
To: thackney
Scale it a bit. He used 6 lightbulbs to suppress flames 18 inches high. Surface area of the burn? Not sure.
Flame suppression sometimes equals fire extinguishing, but not always.
Scale it to the raised platform of a computer data center. Make sure the suppression you are talking about doesn’t fry the computers you are protecting. Make sure that as you suppress the flames, you have back up systems that actually remove heat, fuel, and oxygen from the situation.
If not computers, then shipboard bilge fire suppression - same problem only now add additional potential grounding issues. Some items on a ship are sensitive to becoming magnetized, or de-magnetized, and as such its something you have to test for. Add to it that the fire you may be suppressing could be in the generator space itself (which you’d protect with CO2 or Halon - though Halon is on the wane big time).
Any electric or magnetic field you create near or in a system creates all kinds of side effects for which you must account.
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posted on
03/29/2011 10:37:02 AM PDT
by
RinaseaofDs
(Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
To: RinaseaofDs
You are assuming the little power set they used was maxed out and you are no longer talking about a small fire.
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posted on
03/29/2011 10:45:34 AM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
To: backwoods-engineer
So what. I have snuffed a candle flame at 25 yards with my flintlock rifle. LOL
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posted on
03/29/2011 11:04:28 AM PDT
by
Roklok
To: Sax
Not really sure. .. Must be beyond my grasp after 30 years?
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posted on
03/29/2011 11:12:40 AM PDT
by
Safetgiver
(I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
To: thackney
It would seem that there’s a pretty simple ‘proof of concept’ observation that can be made -
Do High Voltage Power Transmission Lines have any effect on grass fires or forest fires in their vicinity??
Has anybody ever reported any oddness like that up til now??
Enquiring minds want to know....
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posted on
03/29/2011 11:18:26 AM PDT
by
Uncle Ike
(Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
To: Uncle Ike
Only meaningful if 60Hz is effective. It could be a thousand or million times off the needed frequency.
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posted on
03/29/2011 11:23:32 AM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
To: JohnG45
I know for a fact it was 400,001 years ago.
What month?
*******************
Silly question. That was long before months existed.
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posted on
03/29/2011 12:54:00 PM PDT
by
Louis Foxwell
(For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
To: thackney
My point is that there are lots of ways of suppressing flame. I can make a bomb big enough to blow a fire out too. They do that with oil wells.
Harvard is just rediscovering stuff others have and calling it news. I can’t remember the last major piece of research done by MIT or Harvard in a while.
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posted on
03/29/2011 1:45:13 PM PDT
by
RinaseaofDs
(Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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