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The DMV Non-disclosure [ZOT!]
http://notapersonorcitizen.blogspot.com/2011/03/dmv-non-disclosure.html ^ | 01/12/2011 | Steven

Posted on 03/30/2011 6:54:05 PM PDT by NotAPersonOrCitizen

When a good portion of Americans wake up to the facts of the DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) non-disclosure regarding what IS a motor vehicle and what is not a motor vehicle, along with the true definitions of the associated words shared below, they will realize that all acts are voluntary AND who actually has the true power. (Not the usurpers!)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; driving; meatpopsicle; retread; zot; zuluoscartango
Once more people awaken and comprehend the word tricky used by govt/ attorneys, the sooner the Republic can be brought back from it's current corporate state.
1 posted on 03/30/2011 6:54:06 PM PDT by NotAPersonOrCitizen
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

ibtz


2 posted on 03/30/2011 7:01:27 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

I remember when my car registration had the statement “the undersigned declares that he is operating a motor vehicle,” so yeah, I’ve known about this legal trickery for at least 20 years. Driving (drayage) is by definition operating a commercial vehicle, and calling yourself a driver, instead of a traveller, makes you subject to all the laws governing commerce, and simultaneously makes null your Constitutional protections. But try and tell that to the 12 people the state lines up to crucify you.


3 posted on 03/30/2011 7:05:28 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

It’s an old custom for bureaucrats to name bureaus inaccurately. State DMVs typically license trailers, which clearly have no motor, but are intended for road use.

Nobody has found an easy loophole yet and this (which is a state not a national issue) is far, far, far down on the list of things that fundamentally imperil American freedom.


4 posted on 03/30/2011 7:05:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

Huh?


5 posted on 03/30/2011 7:05:52 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The easy solution is to defund every government agency, at whatever level that imperils American freedom. We've made a few tentative steps that direction.

Cut off funding, stop the BS. Don't fight them, close the purse.

/johnny

6 posted on 03/30/2011 7:09:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Where do these Chicken Littles in cars cite any court case in which they “forfeit Constitutional freedoms”? This is very bare of particulars.


7 posted on 03/30/2011 7:12:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In another 25 years when the NWO is in full force there will only be trains for the common folks to ride on. Cars will be forbidden.


8 posted on 03/30/2011 7:12:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: B4Ranch

Nobody knows the time or the day. — Bible


9 posted on 03/30/2011 7:14:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

Thirty years ago there was a few over in Grass Valley, CA who used to drive without plates or licenses. If you were polite and gracious the cops would generally allow you to continue on your way.


10 posted on 03/30/2011 7:15:32 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You can’t argue post-facto a jurisdiction issue, and standing on principle when the State Police lights are flashing behind you is problematic. There are bigger, more publicly conducive fish to fry, and even though I would acquit someone standing on a “right to travel” argument, I doubt that my view is in the majority.


11 posted on 03/30/2011 7:17:13 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What do you expect, a newb posted a 20 year old alt.paranoia.govt thread. I've seen this crap before. The real solution to government over-reach, whatever you think it is, is to defund the government.

/johnny

12 posted on 03/30/2011 7:18:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

So this guy is arguing we should do away with license plates and car registrations in the name of freedom?

I don’t get it.

I’m one conservative who believes licensing all vehicles using public roads IS a LEGITIMATE duty of the State.

Licensing, vehicle registration and inspection help protect EVERYONE who travels, which is, really, everyone. Government use of tax dollars can only be justly used to the benefit of all, IMHO, and safety, and crime prevention (through registration) on the road is certainly one area benefiting all.

This kind of radical libertarian thinking gives conservatives a bad name, IMHO.


13 posted on 03/30/2011 7:22:14 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Thanks for yelling, it doesn’t add one iota of gravitas to your ARGUMENT. I immediately ignore such posts, so have a nice day!


14 posted on 03/30/2011 7:24:13 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

But I’ll reply to myself! Commerical vehicles are the proper object to tax, because they use the road to make money. No one argues this point. A little known fact: Governments don’t own roads, they maintain them. Roads that go unused for 2 years quite often fall back under imminent domain to the owner(s), usually one on each side. Check your land plat at the courthouse, the property lines always extend to the middle of the road.


15 posted on 03/30/2011 7:28:26 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: AnalogReigns
Then why are farm vehicles expempted from registration and licensing? A 12 year old driving a tractor is legal on most roads in the US.

Government can't insure safety, or prevent crime. Government can only enforce torts, or prosecute people that commit crimes.

Government doesn't need to be involved in prevention. That's open ended forever.

/johnny

16 posted on 03/30/2011 7:30:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Exempted means subject to tax, but “exempted.” Get it? Even churches are subject to tax, they are just exempted. And every dollar that you earn is subject to tax also, but you are “allowed” deductions, and the rate is kept at Non-pitchfork levels. Words are tricky, are they not?


17 posted on 03/30/2011 7:35:15 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise
Farm tractors aren't road taxed. They are allowed on roads. They are not subject to tax. Words aren't tricky, facts aren't tricky, liars and politicians are.

/johnny

18 posted on 03/30/2011 7:41:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wrong, they are subjects that can be taxed, but they are exempted. You know much Padawan, but you have far to travel.


19 posted on 03/30/2011 7:44:05 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise
I've been here about 11 years longer than you, newb. And I was on the newsgroups long before that.

You can KMA on the padawan bs.

De facto, farm tractors are not road taxed.

You have much to learn about how to effectively take back our Republic.

/johnny

20 posted on 03/30/2011 7:48:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wow, well let’s see. I started researching commercial vehicle jurisdiction issues... counting... 24 years ago. I have forgotten more than you know, grasshopper.


21 posted on 03/30/2011 7:54:20 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oh wait, I see now. You think that Free Republic is the talisman for knowledge... Got it. I was a Freeper before Freeping was cool McFly. Have a nice day!


22 posted on 03/30/2011 7:55:58 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise
Roads that go unused for 2 years quite often fall back under imminent domain to the owner(s), usually one on each side.

Law doesn't appear to be your strong point. At least 3 legal errors in your post.

23 posted on 03/30/2011 7:57:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Yeah, eminent domain, and yeah I have actually lived on property that was reclaimed when an Interstate dissected a road making it unusable. I wish I had better news for ya, but generally speaking roads are right of ways across private property. Law isn’t my strong suit though, my wife will attest to that vigorously.


24 posted on 03/30/2011 8:05:10 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

Registering and titling motor vehicles has been my job for 5 years and I have no idea what you are going on about here.

Licensing fees basically go to maintain the roads and bridges that we all drive on (or ride on as passengers, take your pick). In my state, each county collects its own road & bridge taxes based on the population. Higher fees in more populated counties.

I’ve never had a customer question the necessity of licensing their vehicle although I have had a few kooks who simply want to rant about something because they are having a bad day.

Aren’t there more important things to get all excited about?


25 posted on 03/30/2011 8:39:54 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen; 50mm; Old Sarge; Allegra; TheOldLady; darkwing104; Darksheare
Pile on time.


26 posted on 03/31/2011 11:18:05 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

Oh, you’re zotted.
I’m guessing you’ve been here before.


27 posted on 03/31/2011 11:26:50 AM PDT by Darksheare (Dear Interdimensional Monstrosity, I fear our relationship has taken a turn for the worse...)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; darkwing104; 50mm; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv
Possible retread troll gets hustled out of town on a bolt.


28 posted on 03/31/2011 11:50:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

A “prudent” ZOT ;-)


29 posted on 03/31/2011 5:10:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

:-)


30 posted on 03/31/2011 5:14:47 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen
Tin Foil ZOT for NotAPersonOrCitizen.

To be added or removed from the VK/ZOT list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

31 posted on 03/31/2011 5:15:35 PM PDT by 50mm ( I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; ...
ZOT!

To be added or removed from the VK/ZOT list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

32 posted on 03/31/2011 5:18:18 PM PDT by 50mm ( I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

Yeah you tell them! CEASAR NEVER REGISTERED CHARIOTS!!!


33 posted on 03/31/2011 5:20:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: wayoverthehill
Aren’t there more important things to get all excited about?

There are indeed! Zots, for example. Especially the big, noisy, high-voltage kind where you get n00B goo all over yer monitor. Hooyah!

34 posted on 03/31/2011 5:23:03 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen
You are right about the DMV issue. Only one man I know beat the system, Jeb Clampett.

Clampett for President '12


35 posted on 03/31/2011 5:31:27 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 50mm; Viking2002; Daffynition
what IS a motor vehicle and what is not a motor vehicle

You found out about the Viking Kitties ZOT mobile!


36 posted on 03/31/2011 5:46:08 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen
And now sugar free!!!

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37 posted on 03/31/2011 5:47:01 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen


38 posted on 03/31/2011 5:49:57 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: vox_freedom
LOL.


39 posted on 03/31/2011 5:51:40 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: glock rocks

IATZ....AGAIN..... DANG IT!!


40 posted on 03/31/2011 5:57:40 PM PDT by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: PROCON

It’s alright. We can still send our recently departed our warm (approx 3500 Celsius) regards.


41 posted on 03/31/2011 6:15:41 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: HMS Surprise

What was your former screenname, Captain Aubrey?


42 posted on 03/31/2011 6:32:01 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: HMS Surprise
I was a Freeper before Freeping was cool

Whut? You just joined last month. You a retread or something?

43 posted on 03/31/2011 6:43:24 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: NotAPersonOrCitizen

Good Bye Retread!


44 posted on 03/31/2011 6:47:02 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
They are not subject to tax.

Neither is their fuel.

45 posted on 03/31/2011 6:51:52 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Great movie.


46 posted on 03/31/2011 6:56:03 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Haven’t seen it. Read one of the books it’s based on, though. In the one I read, Aubrey is trying to chase down an American vessel, so it was hard to cheer him on!


47 posted on 03/31/2011 8:58:49 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Mr. Silverback
In the movie, they change the enemy ship to French. Very easy to cheer Captain Aubrey on!

Check out the movie; I think it's Russell Crowe's best performance.

48 posted on 03/31/2011 9:04:09 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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