9th Circuit Court to hear eligibility questions

World Net Daily ^ | March 30, 2011 | Bob Unruh

[Forty-Niner]

“In many foreign countries the women still hold property rights and title to inheritance. Why? Because you might not know who your daddy is but you always know the momma.”

With Iceland being the foremost of the western Nations example.

[Pilsner]

Neither naturalized citizens, nor mere “born” citizens are eligible to hold the Office of the President.

OK. Problem is, the ain't no such animal as a mere "born" American citizen, and if there ever was one, there hasn't been since the Adoption of the 14th Amendment. Try reading that far in the Constitution.

You can peddle your Birther BS all you want, but there is a reason no competent lawyer has touched it in the last three years. Its BS.

Birthers, if they want to win, and not just inflate their egos by being political Walter Mittys, and imagining that their actions are threatening to litigate BO out of the White House, gotta go get proof, real, overwhelming proof, of the Kenyan/Canadian/Venusian birth.

Now I got plenty to do without trying to play buzz killer for every group of people playing internet parlor games, that they delude themselves into thinking are meaningful movements. But Birthers are BO's greatest friends. They make his opponents look wacky, and divert attention from the Charlie Foxtrot he making of the economy, energy policy, foreign policy, the budget, and everything else. Every time BO heads further south in the polls, we get a fresh rash of Birther stories. Not because you guys are a threat to BO, but because you guys are a help to BO. And boy, does he need it.

[Forty-Niner]

“OK. Problem is, the ain’t no such animal as a mere “born” American citizen, and if there ever was one, there hasn’t been since the Adoption of the 14th Amendment”

LOLOLOL the 14th amendmendment established “mere” born citizenship. Freed negro slaves, once considered property, had a an inheirent problem with citizenship status. Since their parents were not citizens, and they had no citizenship to pass on to their children.

Possible solutions included naturalization or forming a quality of citizenship, that did not meet the standards set by jus sanquines, and, of course, the higher quality jus soli PLUS jus sanquines of the Natural Born Citizen (born in country to two citizen parents.)

Naturalization did not seem a viable solution, because it would subject former slaves to the whims of local juristictions.

The solution was to establish citizenship based merely upon jus soli. Birth to the land. (serfdom in medival times.) Mere born citizenship. Restrictions on this type of citizenship included the circumstances surrounding the parents status in the US, legal residency.

The USSC case of Kim Wong Arc applied the 14th Amendment to persons other than former slaves and their children.

To state “OK. Problem is, the ain’t no such animal as a mere “born” American citizen,” is willful ignorance on your part. And you claim legal expertise.....liar!

“You can peddle your Birther BS all you want, but there is a reason no competent lawyer has touched it in the last three years.”

Nonsense.... there has been no lack of lawyers willing to file lawsuits. The problem has been of judicial cowardice to actually have an evidentuary finding on the facts, or as Justice Thomas said “....we’re avoiding that question...”

You seem to like to throw out the term “birthers” with abandon, seemingly as an attempt to denigrate those that won’t buy your line of BS.

Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements as set forth in Article II of the Constitution. Fact son!

The solution for him is to try and nullify the requirement by changing the historical and legal definition, as understood by the Founders, to “Born in the USA” In the mind of the electorate, and feeble minded. Enablers, such as yourself, that push that meme, that mere birth in the US is sufficient to meet the Constitutional requirements for the Office of the President are the real “birthers.”

A couple of years ago FR was invaded by trolls just like you, whose whole thought on the matter was....”he was born here, he is eligible.” Nonsense.....go crawl back under your bridge, troll.

“Now I got plenty to do without trying to play buzz killer for every group of people playing internet parlor games, that they delude themselves into thinking are meaningful movements.”

A real mouthful of mush ya got there! Got something better to do? Then go do it, Troll! You can leave anytime. How about now and forever?

The remainder of your post illustrates your cowardice. You don’t think that the issue is “winnable” forgetting that dismissing the issue, effectively condones it by setting precedent for future usurpers...... BTW When does adherence to the law make one seem looney?

Stick your head in the sand, Troll. I don’t want to hear about the other laws you want to nullify by just ignoring them.....

As I said above go back and crawl under your bridge Troll!

[Pilsner]

A couple of years ago FR was invaded by trolls just like you

Forty-Niner Since Nov 11, 2009
Pilsner Since Nov 28, 2000

[Pilsner]

The solution was to establish citizenship based merely upon jus soli. Birth to the land. (serfdom in medival times.) Mere born citizenship. Restrictions on this type of citizenship included the circumstances surrounding the parents status in the US, legal residency.

Just the opposite. The 14th Amendment was intended to make sure that slaves, and their progeny, would not be reduced to demi-semi-quasi citizens, through the misapplication of some legal theory.

[Plummz]

Gen. Washington and John Jay explicitly changed the language for presidential qualifications from “born citizen” to “natural born citizen.” So there is obviously a difference. Perhaps you should save your ignorant invective and insults for those two late gentleman.

[Pilsner]

My dispute is not with GW or JJ, but with those who want to twist their deeds, because they delude themselves into thinking it would be to their political advantage.

[Plummz]

Your dispute is decidedly with GW and JJ. You may chose to ignore their wise words and counsel and pretend you are on their side, but the evidence clearly indicates your attempts to do so are mendacious. You are taking a hardcore traitorous anti-American position that has no basis in facts, history, or reality.

Why do you hate America?

[Pilsner]

You are taking a hardcore traitorous anti-American position that has no basis in facts, history, or reality. Why do you hate America?

I just enjoy hurting BO'S reelection chances, by making his Birther helpers look ridiculous. Which I do by baiting them into taking preposterous positions, and making outlandish statements, which exposes the delusional quality of their movement, and helps to keep Freepers doing useful things, like trying to win elections.

But I sometimes feel bad when I bait Birthers into foolishness. Its a bit like greasing the wheel chair ramp at the old folks home. Ya just know they won't be able to help themselves, and will end up in a spectacular crash.

[Plummz]

You didn’t answer the question. Your repeated lies about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers betray your deep and abiding hatred of America.

Why do you hate America?

[Forty-Niner]

” couple of years ago FR was invaded by trolls just like you
Forty-Niner Since Nov 11, 2009
Pilsner Since Nov 28, 2000

The only place that I’m aware of that holds senority sacrosanct is in a Union.

You’re not a socialist/communist/unionist are you?

Senority, the last refuge of the incompetant.....

BTW, I spent the last 40 years building America, and could only find the time to post when I retired in 2009. I’ve lurked FR since 2000....thanks anyway, Troll, but I’ve nothing to apologize to you, or anyone else for. I spilt blood in service of my country, probably while you were in diapers. Go sell your snake oil somewhere else.

[bert]

———9th circuit, you say?——

Julius Caeser was done in by a disgusted Senate..... and died

Perhaps Barack Obama will be done in by a disgusted court.... and live

[Forty-Niner]

” The 14th Amendment was intended to make sure that slaves, and their progeny, would not be reduced to demi-semi-quasi citizens, through the misapplication of some legal theory.”

HUH? Pull that out of your pants did ya?

By the way can you link demi-semi-quasi citizen for me? You missed your calling.....fiction seems to be your forte.

[Forty-Niner]

“But I sometimes feel bad when I bait Birthers into foolishness.”

You should be feeling bad about the nonsense you’re posting instead.

[Pilsner]

The only place that I’m aware of that holds senority sacrosanct is in a Union.

You played the "You're a Newbie Troll" card, Pal, not me. I just pointed out that I've been a Freeper, (after lurking for over two years)just a hair under nine years longer than you. Which makes your allegation at that a I, who joined FR when the Toon was still President, am a Newbie Troll, as compared to you, who joined right after BO got his (expletive deleted) handed to him in the 2009 off year elections, laughable.

I'm not saying that you are a DU'er here to act as an agent provocateur, just that, if you had any concept of how to craft, and pitch, an argument, you would never have even considered playing the "You're a Newbie Troll" card, in a situation where it so obviously loses.

And maybe, you ought to consider that perhaps the rest of your arguments are equally flawed.

[Brown Deer]

Taitz trumandogz does seem to have a knack for hyperbole and stretching the truth.

General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq was the one who enforced Martial Law for the third time in the brief history of Pakistan. Second child and eldest son of Muhammad Akram, a teacher in the British Army, Zia-ul-Haq was born on August 12, 1924, at Jalandhar.

After receiving his early education from Government High School Simla, he did his B. A. Honors from St. Stephen College, Delhi. He was commissioned in the British Army in 1943 and served in Burma, Malaya and Indonesia during World War II. When the war was over, he decided to join the armored corps. At the time of Independence, like most of the Muslim officers in the British Army, Zia-ul-Haq opted to join the Pakistan Army. As a Major he got an opportunity to do a training course in the Commander and Staff College of United States of America in 1963-64. During the 1965 War, he acted as the Assistant Quarter Master of 101 Infantry Division, which was posted at the Kiran Sector. He remained posted in Jordan from 1967 till 1970, where he was involved in training Jordon's military. He was appointed as Corps Commander of Multan in 1975.

On April 1, 1976, in a surprise move the then Prime Minister of Pakistan, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, appointed Zia-ul-Haq as Chief of Army Staff, superseding five senior Generals. Bhutto probably wanted somebody as the head of the armed forces who would not prove to be a threat for him, and the best available option was the simple General who was apparently interested only in offering prayers and playing golf. However, history proved that General Zia-ul-Haq proved to be much smarter than Bhutto thought. When political tension reached its climax due to the deadlock between Bhutto and the leadership of Pakistan National Alliance on the issue of general elections, Zia-ul-Haq took advantage of the situation. On July 5, 1977, he carried out a bloodless coup overthrowing Bhutto's government and enforced Martial Law in the country.

After assuming power as Chief Martial Law Administrator, Zia-ul-Haq promised to hold National and Provincial Assembly elections in the next 90 days and to hand over power to the representatives of the Nation. However, in October 1977, he announced the postponement of the electoral plan and decided to start an accountability process of the politicians. In a statement, he said that he changed his decision due to the strong public demand for the scrutiny of political leaders who had indulged in malpractice in the past. The Disqualification Tribunal was formulated and many former Members of Parliament were disqualified from participating in politics at any level for the next seven years. A white paper was also issued which criticized the activities of Pakistan People Party's government under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

With the retirement of Fazal Ilahi, Zia-ul-Haq also assumed the office of President of Pakistan on September 16, 1978. In the absence of a Parliament, Zia-ul-Haq decided to set up an alternative system. He introduced Majlis-i-Shoora in 1980. Most of the members of the Shoora were intellectuals, scholars, ulema, journalists, economists and professionals belonging to different fields of life. The Shoora was to act as a board of advisors to the President. The idea of establishing this institution was not bad but the main problem was that all 284 members of the Shoora were to be nominated by the President and thus there was no room for dissention.

In the mid 80s, Zia-ul-Haq decided to fulfill his promise of holding elections in the country. But before handing over the power to the public representatives, he decided to secure his position. Referendum was held in the county in December 1984, and the masses were given the option to elect or reject the General as the future President of Pakistan. The question asked in the referendum was phrased in a way that Zia-ul-Haq's victory was related to the process of Islamization in the country. According to the official result, more than 95 percent of the votes were cast in favor of Zia-ul-Haq, thus he was elected as President for the next five years.

After being elected President, Zia-ul-Haq decided to hold elections in the country in February 1985 on a non-party basis. Most of the political parties decided to boycott the elections but election results showed that many victors belonged to one party or the other. To make things easier for himself, the General nominated the Prime Minister from amongst the Members of the Assembly. To many, his nomination of Muhammad Khan Junejo as the Prime Minister was because he wanted a simple person at the post who would act as a puppet in his hands. Before handing over the power to the new Government he made certain Amendments in the Constitution and got them endorsed from the Parliament before lifting the state of emergency in the county. Due to this Eighth Amendment in the Constitution, the powers of the President were increased to an absolute level on the plea of safeguarding national integrity.

As time passed, the Parliamentarians wanted to have more freedom and power. By the beginning of 1988, rumors about the differences between the Prime Minister and Zia-ul-Haq were rife. The general feeling was that the President, who had enjoyed absolute power for eight long years, was not ready to share it with anybody else. On May 29, 1988, Zia-ul-Haq finally dissolved the National Assembly and removed the Prime Minister under article 58(2) b of the amended Constitution. Apart from many other reasons, Junejo's decision to sign the Geneva Accord against the wishes of Zia-ul-Haq proved to be one of the major factors responsible for his removal.

After 11 years, Zia-ul-Haq once again made the same promise to the Nation to hold fresh elections within next 90 days. With Benazir Bhutto back in the country and the Muslim League leadership annoyed with the President over the decision of May 29, Zia-ul-Haq was trapped in the most difficult situation of his political life. The only option left for him was to repeat history and to postpone the elections once again.

However, before taking any decision, Zia-ul-Haq died in an air crash near Bhawalpur on August 17, 1988. The accident proved to be very costly for the country as almost the entire military elite of Pakistan was onboard. Though United States' Ambassador to Pakistan was also killed in the misfortune, yet many do not rule out U. S. involvement in the sabotage. They believe that United States could not afford Pakistan to oppose Geneva Accord and thus they removed the biggest hurdle in their way. The remains of Zia-ul-Haq were buried in the premises of Faisal Mosque, Islamabad. His death brought a large number of mourners to attend his funeral, including a large number of Afghanis, which proved to be one of the biggest in the history of the country.

During his rule, Zia-ul-Haq tried his utmost to maintain close ties with the Muslim World. He made vigorous efforts along with other Muslim States to bring an end to the war between Iran and Iraq. Pakistan joined the Non-Aligned Movement in 1979 during Zia-ul-Haq's term. He also fought a war by proxy in Afghanistan and saved Pakistan from a direct war with Soviet Union.

This article was last updated on Sunday, June 01, 2003

[trumandogz]

Interestingly, your article fails to mention that in 1981, the same year of an alleged US State Dept. travel ban to Pakistan, the United States agreed to sell the Zia-ul-Haq government 34 F-16’s.

[Gaffer]

The Ninth never really seriously considers anything unless it involves Gerbils or buttplugs. You couldn’t pick a worse venue.

[Brown Deer]

It's not my article, but even so, what's your point? Do you deny any specific facts in the article? You did seem to imply that the earlier statement made by ProtectOurFreedom was odd, but this detailed article which hasn't been updated in 8 years, certainly backs it up.

[trumandogz]

Backs-up what?