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Gaddafi army 'not at breaking point'
BBC News ^ | 31 March 2011

Posted on 03/31/2011 8:05:19 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Libya leader Muammar Gaddafi's armed forces are not close to breaking point despite hundreds of allied air strikes, American military chiefs have said.

Adm Mike Mullen told a US Congress committee Col Gaddafi's troops still had 10 times the rebels' firepower.

At the same hearing, Defence Secretary Robert Gates reiterated the US would put no "boots on the ground" in Libya.

Rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces appear to have reached a stalemate in their fight for control of the country.

In recent days, rebels have been urging international forces to conduct more air strikes.

Adm Mullen told the House of Representatives armed forces committee that bad weather had stopped them from identifying targets over the past three or four days.

"[The weather] has more than anything else reduced the impact... reduced the effectiveness, and has allowed the regime forces to move back to the east," the AFP news agency quoted him as saying.

Despite the weather, he said the air strikes since the beginning of the operation had wiped out between 20% and 25% of Col Gaddafi's forces.

"We have actually fairly seriously degraded his military capabilities. That does not mean he's about to break, from a military standpoint, because that's not the case," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; breaking; gaddafi; islam; jihad; libya; marxist; point
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1 posted on 03/31/2011 8:05:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Top ranking officers in his army best consider what’s going to happen to them when their leader goes. Their lives won’t be worth a plug nickel.


2 posted on 03/31/2011 8:06:59 PM PDT by RC2
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To: MinorityRepublican

Well, we need to just go in there with half a million troops on the ground, plus armor and air.

Should take us less than 10000 days to clear it all up.


3 posted on 03/31/2011 8:13:54 PM PDT by lurk
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To: MinorityRepublican
From a West Point study of jihadists in Iraq:

A breakout of the hometowns of Libyan jihadists who showed up in Iraq:

Note that the 84% of the jihadists came from Darnah and Benghazi, both rebel strongholds that were (as pointed out in the West Point study) previously the scene of Islamist uprisings in the mid-1990's.

4 posted on 03/31/2011 8:14:18 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: MinorityRepublican
He has, what? accord to rumor, 140 tons of gold in country, instead of sitting in Geneva or London?

That buys lots of loyalty and talent.

Heck, if it didn't mean firing on Americans, I'd consider contracting to him, if he's paying in gold. Work here in the states is a little slow right now, and I've had too many checks from customers bounce the last couple of years.

/johnny

5 posted on 03/31/2011 8:15:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Gaddafi army ‘not at breaking point’”

Are the Western forces doing what I read the Muslims do? Aim in the general direction, and let Allah guide the missiles?

Seems to me after Billions of dollars, pounds, Francs, or Euro’s, of ordnance has been targeted at he whose name cannot be spelled uniformly in the Western Culture’s Palace, Mansion, Headquarters, Outhouse, etc. there should be something broken.


6 posted on 03/31/2011 8:16:43 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Defence Secretary Robert Gates reiterated the US would put no "boots on the ground" in Libya.

He also has said as long as he's in his position that will not change. He has to keep repeating this over and over and over before the dim-wits understand "none of our troops on the ground!"

7 posted on 03/31/2011 8:16:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: MinorityRepublican
When Qaddafi wins, payback is going to be a beotsch! Americans need to take precautions against the payback.
8 posted on 03/31/2011 8:22:04 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: caww
"He also has said as long as he's in his position that will not change. He has to keep repeating this over and over and over before the dim-wits understand "none of our troops on the ground!"

Pure crazy talk.

We already have boots on the ground and anyone who denies that is lying. USSOC is there in at least moderate numbers...certainly more than a hundred.

We just don't have regular forces on the ground...YET.

Oh, we will. Bummer will take a shot at not losing face...but he'll back down before he loses his base.

9 posted on 03/31/2011 8:23:01 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Defence Secretary Robert Gates reiterated the US would put no "boots on the ground" in Libya.

Perhaps the CIA agents who were recently admitted to be working with the terrorists are wearing sneakers.

10 posted on 03/31/2011 8:23:08 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: April Lexington

Qaddafi had backed off WMD and terrorism after Reagan counter attacked and then after the Iraq War, which he admitted was why he opened up to the West and gave up his WMD programs. So far he is winning this war, and if he does remain in power, it’s highly doubtful he would continue that policy - especially if he then knows he was able to survive a direct attack by the West - no longer any incentive to fear he would meet Saddam’s fate. And supposing that doesn’t happen and he is ousted - will a Taliban style regime take his place instead? This has the makings of being a complete disaster.


11 posted on 03/31/2011 8:29:36 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MinorityRepublican

Mullen and Gates seem to be the problem. You have to ask yourselves, could these guys win any war? Maybe you should ask them to tell? Like “don’t ask, don’t tell”.


12 posted on 03/31/2011 8:30:24 PM PDT by DenverInfidel (gays in the upper military)
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To: Mariner

I wasn’t refering to the military needed from the start to pinpoint targets etc. I realize we would never go in without special forces and cia doing what they do...likely they were there even before this became a “war”.

As for regular forces...exactly...I don’t want our boys in there at all ever. Let the French and British carry out the footwork...once this becomes a total guerella warfare environment...am already hearing Gaddafi’s in that direction now.


13 posted on 03/31/2011 8:32:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: MinorityRepublican

Whut? A no fly zone can be hindered by weather? Who knew. Why did Bambi think we could win a push button war.


14 posted on 03/31/2011 8:38:11 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Zhang Fei
From a West Point study of jihadists in Iraq

Another study counts few from Libya.

Link

Both studies contain small sample sizes, and do not conclusively represent the thousands if not tens of thousands of foreign fighters in Iraq.

15 posted on 03/31/2011 8:39:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: MinorityRepublican
"When you have Islamic jihadists going toe-to-toe with a mass-murdering thug and his followers, humanitarianism is in dangerously short supply. So, apparently, is sanity. If Colonel Cuckoo wins, we have the makings of a terrorist-led pariah state that hates the West in general, and the United States in particular. If the rebels win, we have the makings of a terrorist-led pariah state which hates the West in general, and the United States in particular. Is there clarity in redundancy?"

-- columnist Arnold Ahlert

16 posted on 03/31/2011 8:43:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Here's a third report.

Link

I don't see Libya listed.

17 posted on 03/31/2011 8:47:29 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: April Lexington

>>>>>>>>When Qaddafi wins, payback is going to be a beotsch! Americans need to take precautions against the payback.>>>>>>>>>>
I think it is more precautions needed in case if Duffy is going to lose.
It will be a good starting point for a ME-wide Al-Qaedistan with all the oil and WMD they want.


18 posted on 03/31/2011 8:48:09 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: MinorityRepublican
"Defence Secretary Robert Gates reiterated the US would put no "boots on the ground" in Libya."

He siad: "Not on my watch"

I haven't had any great fondness for Gates but I bless him now. I have a feeling he and bummer have had some go-rounds. Gates knows who the rebels are. He wants no part of putting out soldiers that have been fighting and dying for years against Al Qaeda to suddenly be told they now have to go fight FOR them. And indeed. it would be a terrible thing for the troops. The moral would be as bad as it cuold get. Just @#$%@&^% that traitorous, lily-livered, muzzie loving poor excuse for a human being that is causing this mess.

Mullen is tied up in this too. Whose running the Afghanistan fighting?

Is this a wag-the-dog scenario to keep us all from noticing that the TIC (T=traitor) if turning, valley by valley, the whole Kunar Province (in the high Hindu Kush Mts of north eastern Afghanistan) that our troops fought and sacrificed and died in for years, back over to OBL - just pulling out out troops and giving it all back to OBL. Now he can, once again, set up in the very place he planned and trained for 911.

Oh, you didn't know this was going on?

That's because you haven't yet learned to WATCH THE OTHER HAND!

(live links next post)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamBeYQeRvE

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2011/02/10/abandoning-the-pech-valley-part-ii/

read the comments

19 posted on 03/31/2011 8:53:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: MinorityRepublican

per my above post.

With obummer - always WATCH THE OTHER HAND

First the Korengal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamBeYQeRvE

Now the Pech - so osama now has the Kunar Province back, a gift from ‘bummer. (I have an idea our commanders have just about had it with this slithering CIC. I would not be surprised to hear that Gates is gone any time now. He said no boots on the ground (in Libya) “not on my watch” (read the comments)

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2011/02/10/abandoning-the-pech-valley-part-ii/


20 posted on 03/31/2011 8:53:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: cunning_fish
This is a good reason not to interfere with a fight between lunatics!
21 posted on 03/31/2011 8:55:18 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: FreeReign
The NBC News analysis of Web site postings found that 55 percent of foreign insurgents came from Saudi Arabia, 13 percent from Syria, 9 percent from North Africa and 3 percent from Europe.

The West Point data comes from intelligence collected by GI's in the field. The MSNBC analysis (I would call it guesswork more than analysis) is obtained by looking at websites. The West Point report does point out that Saudi jihadis outnumber Libyan jihadis 2 to 1. But Saudi Arabia has 4x Libya's population. Which means on a per capita basis, Libya has twice as many jihadis as Saudi Arabia.

* But that's like saying Texas has more Democrats than Rhode Island; it's by definition true, since Texas has more Democrats than the entire population of Rhode Island, Democrats, Republicans and independents combined. What is more informative from a political standpoint is that Texas has a less Democrats as a % of the state population.

22 posted on 03/31/2011 8:56:03 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: April Lexington

I can’t wait for the center-fuel tank explosions and other random, non-state-sponsored acts of terrorism to come. It’s going to be fantastic. I really missed the 90’s too.


23 posted on 03/31/2011 8:56:28 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Obama’s fault. Obama read a teleprompter and people died.


24 posted on 03/31/2011 8:57:46 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If Colonel Cuckoo wins, we have the makings of a terrorist-led pariah state that hates the West in general, and the United States in particular.

The question is, can we survive until we can vote him out of the White House?

OH! He meant Quadaffi! s/

25 posted on 03/31/2011 8:59:44 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Zhang Fei
Another study on foreign fighters in Iraq....

Link

26 posted on 03/31/2011 8:59:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: MinorityRepublican
I thought the goal was to protect all those innocents?
27 posted on 03/31/2011 9:04:05 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: FreeReign
The Guardian: The CSIS disputes reports that Saudis account for most of the foreign insurgents and says best estimates suggest Algerians are the largest group (20%), followed by Syrians (18%), Yemenis (17%), Sudanese (15%), Egyptians (13%), Saudis (12%) and those from other states (5%). British intelligence estimate the number of British jihadists at about 100.

It seems to me that you can believe all kinds of secondary sources, including the CSIS, the relentlessly Obama-loving MSNBC and the border-line communist Guardian, or you can believe the people who are having to face the jihadis day-in and day-out, our GI's.

28 posted on 03/31/2011 9:05:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: MinorityRepublican
At the same hearing, Defence Secretary Robert Gates reiterated the US would put no "boots on the ground" in Libya.

Because he is to busy putting homosexuals in the showers.

Gates has no credibility. Anyone that supported the homosexualization of the military is an enemy of America.

29 posted on 03/31/2011 9:08:10 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The only thing Obama managed to do is get 2% of the world oil out of the market.
30 posted on 03/31/2011 9:09:19 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: MinorityRepublican
Adm Mike Mullen told a US Congress committee Col Gaddafi's troops still had 10 times the rebels' firepower.

The rebels got an ill advised burst of confidence after the airstrikes started. They advanced too far, overreached and were decimated by the government forces. Now, in retreat, they'll bleed strength and initiative every day. Ghadaffi's forces are now traveling in pickup trucks, looking exactly like the rebels. There's no way we risk bombing them now. The ROE is so strict, they won't bomb anything that's not a clearly flagged military vehicle. The security forces will continue what they were doing two weeks ago. Namely, to grind the rebels into retreat, rout and slaughter.

So, do we arm the rebels? Even the odds yet again, until we get the results we want?

The problem is, the further east you go, the more radically Islamist the natives get. By the time we decide to arm the Libyans, the center of the country will have fallen. The only rebels left will be the hard core Islamists from east of Benghazi. The ones Libya used to export to Iraq as mujahideen rather than deal with them locally. I'm sure they'd love American arms and training.

All of this exposes just how little we thought this action through.

31 posted on 03/31/2011 9:10:37 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: FreeReign
Another study on foreign fighters in Iraq....

In terms of reliability, Wikipedia, home of the leftist brigade and assembled by anonymous people of dubious expertise and ideology, takes a distinct last place (way lower than the Guardian, MSNBC or CSIS) relative to a West Point report assembled with data from GI's in the field.

32 posted on 03/31/2011 9:12:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: maine-iac7
The question is, can we survive until we can vote him out of the White House?

Israel asks the same question. I believe the destruction of Israel is the marxist's primary objective.

33 posted on 03/31/2011 9:13:08 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Zhang Fei
It seems to me that you can believe all kinds of secondary sources, including the CSIS, the relentlessly Obama-loving MSNBC and the border-line communist Guardian, or you can believe the people who are having to face the jihadis day-in and day-out, our GI's.

The LA Times numbers come from the U.S. Military. It seems to me you will believe what you want.

Myself, I see that the various reports only show a small fraction of the total number of foreign fighters in Iraq and I cannot come to the same conclusion that you do.

34 posted on 03/31/2011 9:16:07 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

An 11 year FR member is using THE GUARDIAN as a source?’

Lots of FR sleepers being pulled out of the woodwork these days.


35 posted on 03/31/2011 9:19:43 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

So we are the ones committing mass murder in obummers illegal war.


36 posted on 03/31/2011 9:20:08 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Zhang Fei
BTW, as a side note, it was Qaddafi and his son, over the past couple of years, who have released all of the Iraqi foreign fighters from Libya that we gave to them.

Qaddafi set at least two conditions for their release, 1.) that they don't participate in jihad in Libya, and 2.) that it's okay they take their jihad back to Iraq and Afghanistan, to fight against our GI's.

37 posted on 03/31/2011 9:24:27 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Steel Wolf
"All of this exposes just how little we thought this action through. "

you need to remember that it's a tangled web because that's what comes 'When at first we practice to deceive/

This whole operation was not for the smoke-screened lies given.

"His" reasons have nothing to do with right or honor. It has to do with adding to the very large chunk of Africa and a HUGE stretch of Mediterranean Sea coast - and command of the Suez...to reinstate the Caliphate in it's old home -

Now that the Muslim Brotherhood is posed to take over Egypt - then add The large land of Libya - Quite a central base to expand out from, eh?

38 posted on 03/31/2011 9:26:43 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Carling
An 11 year FR member is using THE GUARDIAN as a source?’ Lots of FR sleepers being pulled out of the woodwork these days.

I cited three reports including one from US Military.

Take your stupid "sleeper" charge and stick it.

39 posted on 03/31/2011 9:27:53 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Sorry FRiend, but your logic is convuluted on this one. Whether or not Qaddafi needs to go is one thing; who we’re supporting is quite another thing, regardless of what Qaddafi and his son have done since Obomba was elected as President.


40 posted on 03/31/2011 9:35:12 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: FreeReign

CHILLING

The English version spells ALL of this out

http://jihadology.net/2011/03/29/al-qa%E2%80%99idah-in-the-arabian-peninsula%E2%80%99s-al-mala%E1%B8%A5im-media-releases-inspire-magazine-issue-5/

Why is more light not being shed on this publication?

This should be everywhere


41 posted on 03/31/2011 9:36:48 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: FreeReign
BTW, as a side note, it was Qaddafi and his son, over the past couple of years, who have released all of the Iraqi foreign fighters from Libya that we gave to them. Qaddafi set at least two conditions for their release, 1.) that they don't participate in jihad in Libya, and 2.) that it's okay they take their jihad back to Iraq and Afghanistan, to fight against our GI's.

Actually, all of the Muslim governments have released the foreign fighters we've handed to them. They've done so for the same reason as Gaddafi - the Muslim masses don't consider killing GI's a problem - continuing to imprison anti-American jihadis stirs up accusations that these Muslim governments are American puppets.

42 posted on 03/31/2011 9:39:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: DBeers
I believe you are right -

"I believe the destruction of Israel is the marxist's primary objective."

that is part of the prerequisite for the return of the Madhi - however it's spelled.

When the election went against obummer so badly, I suspect he and his handlers panicked and moved up their schedule. That is resulting in added chaos - and, hopefully, inadvertently showing their hand and find themselves 'hoisted by their own - or ANYONES! = petard."

Beside reestablishing the Caliphate in Tripoli and gaining control of the oil flow to Italy and above, there's the billions in gold that Qaddafi kept at home, not in the Swiss Bank.

I suspicion "the spoils" have already been agreed upon - Soros gels the gold, bummer and gang get the oil and the muzzies get a country to operate freely from. (in addition, obummer may have visions of himself as the Madhi...)

43 posted on 03/31/2011 9:39:48 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: FreeReign
BTW, as a side note, it was Qaddafi and his son, over the past couple of years, who have released all of the Iraqi foreign fighters from Libya that we gave to them. Qaddafi set at least two conditions for their release, 1.) that they don't participate in jihad in Libya, and 2.) that it's okay they take their jihad back to Iraq and Afghanistan, to fight against our GI's.

In fact, where Gaddafi merely released Libyans who were captured in Iraq, our Iraqi allies have released Iraqi guerillas who have killed GI's.

44 posted on 03/31/2011 9:43:11 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Carling
Sorry FRiend, but your logic is convuluted on this one. Whether or not Qaddafi needs to go is one thing; who we’re supporting is quite another thing, regardless of what Qaddafi and his son have done since Obomba was elected as President.

Sorry FRriend, but I suspect that you don't know what my position is and I suspect that your position is wussified.

Qaddafi killed 189 of our citizens at Lockerbie. Qaddafi killed our servicemen in Germany. Qaddafi has released all of the Al Qaeda associated LIFG fighters from his prisons over the last two year and Qaddafi has told them to head back to Iraq and Afghanistan to wage jihad.

My position, regardless of what ever the hell Obama is doing, is that we should remove the terrorist Qaddafi and that we should remove all Al Qaeda that we find.

Anything short of that is appeasement.

Do you actually disagree?

45 posted on 03/31/2011 9:44:41 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: silentknight

you got a link for the ENGLISH version?


46 posted on 03/31/2011 9:46:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces appear to have reached a stalemate in their fight for control of the country.

UN-SOP.

47 posted on 03/31/2011 9:47:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: FreeReign
The LA Times numbers come from the U.S. Military. It seems to me you will believe what you want.

The LA Times says it got the numbers from the US military. I don't see a source document. The West Point data comes from Special Operations Command and the report can be read in its entirety at the West Point website.

48 posted on 03/31/2011 9:52:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces appear to have reached a stalemate in their fight for control of the country."

UN-SOP.

Obama SOP too.

49 posted on 03/31/2011 9:53:24 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Qaddafi killed 189 of our citizens at Lockerbie. Qaddafi killed our servicemen in Germany. Qaddafi has released all of the Al Qaeda associated LIFG fighters from his prisons over the last two year and Qaddafi has told them to head back to Iraq and Afghanistan to wage jihad. My position, regardless of what ever the hell Obama is doing, is that we should remove the terrorist Qaddafi and that we should remove all Al Qaeda that we find. Anything short of that is appeasement. Do you actually disagree?

Actually, anything short of that is making peace. Especially given that Gaddafi gave up his nukes and stopped sponsoring terrorist attacks against us. The North Vietnamese killed 60K of our men. The Chinese killed 100K, directly via the Korean War, and indirectly via the Vietnam War (via providing supplies, shelter and training for the North Vietnamese and inserting a tripwire force of 100K PLA troops to discourage US incursions into North Vietnam that could have won the war). If Gaddafi deserves to be toppled, what do the North Vietnamese and the Chinese deserve for us not to be called appeasers, given that they killed hundreds of times more Americans than Gaddafi did?

50 posted on 03/31/2011 9:59:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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