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Obama, Donald Trump, and the Collective Unconscious
The American Thinker ^ | April 01, 2011 | Robin of Berkeley

Posted on 04/01/2011 4:39:34 AM PDT by Scanian

There is a fascinating concept in Jungian psychology called the "collective unconscious." While the "personal unconscious" stores our own unique memories, the "collective unconscious" is the reservoir for an entire culture.

It's amazing how certain people and phenomena find their way into the collective unconscious, whether intentionally or not. For instance, take the term, "googling." Those young Stanford dudes didn't realize that they would not only change the nature of Internet searching, they'd add a new word into the vocabulary.

People may choose to search via Bing or Yahoo, but nobody "bings." So why did googling sweep the nation? Perhaps Google is a superior search engine. But it may simply come down to being in the right place at the right time.

There are people who become overnight sensations, both for good and nefarious reasons. Back in the 60's, everyone was familiar with those evil people who comprised the Manson Family.

And when Joe the Plumber asked Obama a question, he was suddenly famous (and subject to government investigations). While very few people outside of Alaska heard of Sarah Palin a few years ago, she became a household name as soon as she entered the national arena.

And then there's the "birther" controversy. The progressives have controlled and framed the concept right from the get-go. This has been one of the many issues (including "tea baggers") that the left has seized upon to tar conservatives.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eligibility; facadecracks; mysteryman; progressives
Let me extend thanks to FReeper Robin of Berkeley for linking the term "birther" to "tea bagger." Lefty smears, both.

I think it is an apt comparison and people who use that b-word should consider its source and intention.

1 posted on 04/01/2011 4:39:38 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

The Brown Clown is a DISGRACE to the country.Every time I see him walk with that pompous swagger and smirk I realize how STUPID the electorate were to put that empty suit impostor in office.


2 posted on 04/01/2011 4:46:15 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Scanian

I am a birther.


3 posted on 04/01/2011 4:46:56 AM PDT by y6162
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To: y6162

And I’m an all-around rightwing extremist subversive radical.

Why? Because some lefty said so.


4 posted on 04/01/2011 4:50:24 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I think my informal education on Edward Bernays and his methods has helped immunize me against much of the collective propaganda. Its also why I have a deep suspicion of Donald Trump.


5 posted on 04/01/2011 4:52:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Renegade

I despise how he jogs down the steps of Air Force One with his arms flexed like he thinks he’s a black Rocky or something. No respect whatsoever, just trying to look cool.


6 posted on 04/01/2011 4:53:28 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Scanian

“And I’m an all-around rightwing extremist subversive radical.”

Armed, I hope. My kind of guy.


7 posted on 04/01/2011 4:54:43 AM PDT by y6162
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To: cripplecreek

The way things are going today, I think I would be watchful of my own parents if they were still around.

Nearly everybody has some angle he’s working or some agenda. It’s what’s happening.

So it is wise to beware.


8 posted on 04/01/2011 4:54:54 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian
Is Robin of Berkeley a Freeper?

Whatever the answer, she once again hits the nail on the head. Whenever she pens a column, I read it...and it is always a pleasure.

9 posted on 04/01/2011 4:55:27 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: y6162

Patriotic constitutionalist is more like it.

And a gun is always on my desk, ready to go.


10 posted on 04/01/2011 4:56:40 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I posted yeasterday that if nothing else, Trump is schooling conservatives on the route one has to take to fight the left.

Rove and the “its a distraction” bunch are all wrong.

People listen when you refuse to be cowed. Rove’s bunch just get ignored and look wimpy.

People like winners and you can’t win when you won’t take your fight to the street.


11 posted on 04/01/2011 5:02:10 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Renegade
The “collective unconscious” is where PC places Reality.
12 posted on 04/01/2011 5:04:57 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: y6162

I’m 100 percent birther.


13 posted on 04/01/2011 5:07:17 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: Scanian
Travel to Pakistan by Americans was never banned, not in 1981 and not at any other time.

Sorry to see Robin of Berkeley repeating that falsehood.

Other than that, nice job.

14 posted on 04/01/2011 5:29:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: indylindy
Trump is schooling conservatives on the route one has to take to fight the left.

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Right you are indylindy! Republicans never knew how to fight. And most are RINOs gumming up the party.

We still get 21 more wonderful months of 'the recovery.'

Barry must be thrilled.

There's so much here to hammer this jackwagon and his administration on.

We're done listening to the fools who made him President.

Time to step up Republicans!

OBAGHDAD-1sm

''There are no reports of Trump being on to me being an impostor. I never hoodwinked anyone. Trump should stop and think about how this is making him look. Please go back to your hotels and casinos and just relax a little. I'll tell you when the jig is up.''

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Hope and Change.... Tragic.


15 posted on 04/01/2011 5:39:16 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: indylindy

I posted yeasterday that if nothing else, Trump is schooling conservatives on the route one has to take to fight the left.


You have to understand that to confront this issue you need have courage, wit, and be relentless (the Alinskyites as we have witnessed are nothing but thugs). Trump is all of those things. How do you think he has been successful dealing in a world of international business and finance where everyone is out to screw you?

Trump isn’t going to back down. He knows now that the White House or the Gov. of HI have responded that he has a WINNING issue. And what is Jeffrey Immelt/GE going to do to Trump. Say YOU’RE FIRED from “The Apprentice”.

Trump knows what is going on in the White Hut with this imposter taking actions on all fronts to financially benefit his puppetmaster George Soros. Wait until Cori’s book is finally released and he starts making the rounds in the media to promote and discuss it!


16 posted on 04/01/2011 5:46:52 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Scanian; All

I have no problem being called a “Birther” by Liberals and Obama Supporters. “Eligibilitist” sounds a little too...well...whatever

I am more concerned with the GOP and GOP Media types like Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Andrew Breitbart, Bill O’Reilly, and others who are actively supporting Obama and the Liberal Media/MSNBC/DNC cabal in helping Obama evade the issue.

I expect the name-calling from the left. I am more troubled with phony-cons who are attacking conservatives and other Americans who have some legitimate questions of Obama’s Eligibility

I am also more bothered by others who make excuses not to adress the issue...the wussified “This should not be a 2012 election issue”, or “The GOP should not pursue Obama Eligibility”, or the “We do not need a Birth Certificate because his father is not natural born anyway” (Of course you need the BC to help determine who really is Obama’s father)

Its time to take the Obama Eligibility issue seriously...and its time for the GOP and the GOP Media to get on board. The GOP/GOP Media needs to stop acting like wussified liberals....or face the backlash from real conservatives


17 posted on 04/01/2011 5:48:13 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (No, supporting Communist China is not a "conservative idea".)
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To: Scanian
It's amazing how certain people and phenomena find their way into the collective unconscious, whether intentionally or not.

The Media rule.

Google was around a decade before "bing.". It was right place right time -- surfing a wave of interest -- and it was a dedicated product -- and finally it was a catchy name. People will never "yahoo" or "webcrawler." google rolls off the tongue and also appealed the "collective spoiled brat.".

managing the "collective unconscious" is the goal of political power, and the antithesis of the US constitution, which protects the individual's sovereignty over itself. IMHO.

18 posted on 04/01/2011 5:50:25 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: indylindy

I posted yeasterday that if nothing else, Trump is schooling conservatives on the route one has to take to fight the left.

Rove and the “its a distraction” bunch are all wrong.

People listen when you refuse to be cowed. Rove’s bunch just get ignored and look wimpy.

People like winners and you can’t win when you won’t take your fight to the street


Excellent summation. So totally correct. The last line is so accurate.

I am not sure about Trump’s motives....but they sure are better than the motives of most of the GOP and GOP Media who are siding with Obama on the Eligibility issue


19 posted on 04/01/2011 5:51:06 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (No, supporting Communist China is not a "conservative idea".)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Trump will burn you. He didn’t care about the issue till a week ago and still has minimal knowledge of it.


20 posted on 04/01/2011 5:52:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: GnuHere
I despise how he jogs down the steps of Air Force One...

I just wish for the one time he falls flat on his little face adorned with his big ears. Just once! But then, I figure the MSM wouldn't show that again and again like they did with Ford.

Still like to see it once and I bet youtube would have mega hits to view, because someone would post it.
21 posted on 04/01/2011 5:53:17 AM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

There is a LEGITIMATE QUESTION concerning O’s eligibility.
PERIOD.
Those “conservatives” and RINOs that belittle us are part of the PROBLEM.
They are NOT part of any SOLUTION.


22 posted on 04/01/2011 5:53:37 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Big mofo bump.

White Hut

damn, thats art.

23 posted on 04/01/2011 5:54:04 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: Jim Noble

I blame the refusal of the Obamanoids to confront the issue for all the internet clutter that has accumulated about this subject over the last 3-4 years.

It has beciome almost a full-time job to keep up with it all.


24 posted on 04/01/2011 5:58:40 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian
We need a magnetic figure like Trump going where no man or woman has been able to go.

Where no man or women dared to go ... they obviously got the memo. Thinking of course of conservative talk radio Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, et al..

25 posted on 04/01/2011 5:59:29 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Scanian; y6162

“birther”?

I believe he was born, there’s evidence of that.
But I’m a “proofer”, I’d like to see some evidence of this guy’s origins and past to show that he’s actually eligible for the office he holds.


26 posted on 04/01/2011 6:01:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

You can see what people are reacting to. They are thrilled with someone taking off the kid gloves and their protective helmet, getting off their dead butt and fighting back.

It is worth it. Time to start slapping some duct tape across the mouths of Obama’s shills and think about saving the country.

Tough job, but somebody has to do it before it is too late.

Obama is not a legitimate President and many more people are waking up to that fact. His daddy was not an American citizen at the time Obama was born.


27 posted on 04/01/2011 6:03:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: MrB

birther is short for birth certifcate


28 posted on 04/01/2011 6:03:42 AM PDT by y6162
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To: GnuHere
I despise how he jogs down the steps of Air Force One

Oh man... that bugs the heck out of me too. Always feels the need to make a grand entrace. However, there is nothing grand about him. Out of his league and in over his head.

29 posted on 04/01/2011 6:04:08 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: MrB

I use “documenter” but”proofer” works for me too.

I simply go wild when the Left tries to define us or label us as this or that.

Linking us to 9-11 truthers was the last straw.


30 posted on 04/01/2011 6:04:15 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Hotlanta Mike

You have pumped me up even more. I can’t wait!


31 posted on 04/01/2011 6:04:53 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Scanian

Given how much Trump likes the ladies, I think he should offer a million dollars to any woman who can establish she dated Barry O before he met Michelle. Barry was around 28 when he Michelle met and married her at 31. So being a red blooded American male he must have dated before then. So how come no chick has claimed she dated the now President of the USA? No documents, no friends, no previous girlfriends. Sounds like something Rod Sterling wrote.


32 posted on 04/01/2011 6:05:21 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: indylindy
I posted yeasterday that if nothing else, Trump is schooling conservatives on the route one has to take to fight the left.

Absolutely. We need to put them on defense!

33 posted on 04/01/2011 6:08:14 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: BluH2o

Rush has been dropping hints from Day One tha the is chomping at the bit about this. Looks like Clear Channel has some sort of content control agreement with him.

It’s a business and nobody in broadcasting wants audits or administrative implementation of a “fairness” doctrine.

I think that may change shortly, however, thanks to the Donald’s agitation of 0.


34 posted on 04/01/2011 6:09:07 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: dblshot

I think “her” name was “Ahmed” or something similar. A red-hot Paki sex machine.


35 posted on 04/01/2011 6:14:41 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Don’t get angry about it, because when you examine this tactic from a dispassionate logical viewpoint, you see that they really CAN’T engage in a discussion on this issue, nor really, any other issue either.

They ALWAYS try to use some sort of tactic INSTEAD of addressing the argument (Intellectuals and Society by Thomas Sowell).

This avoidance usually takes the form of one of two logically fallacious arguments - the ad hominem or situational ad hominem, and the fallacy of irrelevant thesis (stating something true, but irrelevant to the veracity of the topic in question).

Now, they REALLY get uptight when you point out their irrational argument, because they just thought they “won” by calling you a name.
“Oh yeah? You’re a [profanity redacted] birther!” “Woohoo! victory lap!”


36 posted on 04/01/2011 6:18:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: dblshot
I want to see his transcripts, too. If he's as brilliantly intelligent as Valerie Jarrett (his keeper, IMHO) lets on he is, let's see some objective proof.

God knows we haven't seen any evidence of it yet, for ourselves.

As someone else said on another thread here the other day: anyone who tries that hard to keep something hidden, has something to hide.

37 posted on 04/01/2011 6:18:31 AM PDT by susannah59
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To: Flintlock

There is a LEGITIMATE QUESTION concerning O’s eligibility.
PERIOD.
Those “conservatives” and RINOs that belittle us are part of the PROBLEM.
They are NOT part of any SOLUTION


So true.


38 posted on 04/01/2011 7:27:40 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (No, supporting Communist China is not a "conservative idea".)
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To: Scanian

The “b-word”?

Pal. You have been “p-word” whipped by the libs if you are afraid to identify yourself as a birther.

Look. Libs will ALWAYS call us truthers, tea-baggers, birthers, and any and all other names they came come up with. So what?

This “collective unconscious” that R of B writes about? It’s true. It’s out there. And although some may try and call themselves “proofers”; it is the term “birther” that resonates with the majority of Americans.

Birtherism. Embrace it - Claim it - Be proud of who you are. And see my tagline.


39 posted on 04/01/2011 8:49:19 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: cripplecreek

The thing about Trump is that right now I think he is the only individual in this country that can question BHO’s birth certificate and not only get away with it but get invited on show after show to talk about it. Nobody is going to go head on nasty with Trump because they don’t want the Rosie O’Donnell ghetto beatdown.

I don’t have a clue whether The Donald is serious about running for President but he is doing everyone a favor by giving the birth certificate issue some credibility and traction. Rock on Donald.


40 posted on 04/01/2011 9:15:53 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If getting attention is the goal, moral authority is lost.

Trump is going to burn us and I suspect that is his goal.


41 posted on 04/01/2011 9:20:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

“Trump is going to burn us and I suspect that is his goal”

I don’t see how anybody gets burned on this issue unless Barry coughs up a long form Birth Certificate with all the right stuff on it. Personally I believe Obama is ineligible because he does not qualify as a Natural Born Citizen since one of his parents was not a US citizen at the time of his birth. But putting that aside just the inability to produce a BC saying born in the USA is going to sink Obama.

Even if Trump is a stalking horse for Hillary which I don’t believe, anything that keeps Obama off the 2012 ballot works for me. I don’t think Donald Trump is going to do anything that he will not reap the reward for. So I think he is seriously thinking of running. He’s testing the water to see if he can get a wave going. Just my personal observation.


42 posted on 04/01/2011 9:46:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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