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Rage in N.H. as House makes deep cuts, limits union powers
Associated Press ^ | 4/1/11 | Norma Love

Posted on 04/01/2011 9:20:06 AM PDT by Nachum

CONCORD, N.H. -- Amid chants from the gallery and thousands of demonstrators in the Statehouse plaza, New Hampshire's Republican-dominated House approved a $10.2 billion budget yesterday that makes deep cuts to social programs and strips public unions of much of their bargaining power. The House debated the budget for five hours before Republicans pushed it through, 243-124.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: collectivebargaining; deep; house; makes; rage; unions
Yes we can!
1 posted on 04/01/2011 9:20:13 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

There is a lot of crap raining down on us in WI from the same kind of action . . . but it is all worth it to see other states having the courage to do the same. Thank you NH!!


2 posted on 04/01/2011 9:23:29 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Nachum
Yes WE, the American tax slaves, can. Someday, we'll be able to stand up and say "We're free, free, free at last. Thank God Almighty we're free at last."
No man should be used as another mans slave.
3 posted on 04/01/2011 9:23:46 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum

“After hearing all of the opposition statements, you could have come to the conclusion that half of the population of New Hampshire would be dead from the spending cuts”

Yet still they vote. Go figure.


4 posted on 04/01/2011 9:26:26 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: chickadee
There is a lot of crap raining down on us in WI

Bless you guys. The union is only 12% of the population, so they can't be every where at the same time. You good folks are keeping them busy in WI so other states can be freed. Believe me, Walker and you fine people will be the real heroes in the end.

5 posted on 04/01/2011 9:27:10 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum

The skinny last November was that the NH unions made a major effort to get down here to MA to turn the tide here (and help defeat the sales tax rollback question so that MA’ers keep going to buy in NH). Well, they succeeded in that effort unfortunately for us in MA... along with a lib sweep; and perhaps focusing that much effort in MA was fortunate for republicans sweeping in NH.


6 posted on 04/01/2011 9:30:44 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: chickadee
As someone who was born and raised in the great state of Wisconsin and moved away for employment in 1981, I am very proud of my home state!

Now, as a long-term citizen of New Hampshire, I am also proud of this home state!

The big question, of course, is, will the legislature be able to overrule the RAT Governor Lynch's certain veto?

7 posted on 04/01/2011 9:31:15 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Nachum

They should change “Live Free or Die” to “I’m calling the shop steward on you! Just as soon as I get my government phone card”


8 posted on 04/01/2011 9:35:41 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Redleg Duke

The big question, of course, is, will the legislature be able to overrule the RAT Governor Lynch’s certain veto?


That is a big challenge. Best of luck!!


9 posted on 04/01/2011 9:35:56 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Nachum

The Republicans “pushed it through”? It lost by nearly half!


10 posted on 04/01/2011 9:38:13 AM PDT by Wiser now (Liberalism is immaturity, cloaked with the pretense of moral and intellectual superiority.)
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To: Nachum
thousands of demonstrators in the Statehouse plaza,

What kind of jobs do these people have that they can take a day off and go to the statehouse?

11 posted on 04/01/2011 9:39:53 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Nachum
thousands of demonstrators in the Statehouse plaza,

What kind of jobs do these people have that they can take a day off and go to the statehouse?

12 posted on 04/01/2011 9:40:06 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Nachum

O’m surprised that a state with 1,324,575 people has 367 representatives in the house. Someone do the math, I’m too lazy.


13 posted on 04/01/2011 9:46:22 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: rhombus
“After hearing all of the opposition statements, you could have come to the conclusion that half of the population of New Hampshire would be dead from the spending cuts” Yet still they vote. Go figure.

That's why the next bill needs to be Voter ID.

14 posted on 04/01/2011 9:46:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Nachum
The House debated the budget for five hours before Republicans pushed it through, 243-124.

Wow, I thought PA was bad with overload of congress critters.

We have 202 in the house with about 12 Million folks.

In NH the number is 367 house members and 1,300,000 folks {1 rep for 3,542 people, while PA has 1 rep for 59,406 people}.

I was at a town hall meeting and someone said we have too many congress critters and my local critter {a new pubbie, just 2 months} said that he had introduced a bill to reduce the house size by 50 critters.

15 posted on 04/01/2011 9:50:43 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Fido969
What kind of jobs do these people have that they can take a day off and go to the statehouse?

Let me guess. Government union members living off the tax payers.
Did I win?

16 posted on 04/01/2011 9:50:45 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum

The author of the article is showing their bias. They say the Republicans “Pushed” the bill through. With a 2-1 margin it doesn’t look like it had to be “pushed” too hard.


17 posted on 04/01/2011 9:52:11 AM PDT by scotts8826
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To: Redleg Duke
I am getting pissed about people thinking NH is Mass North or VT East, or ME West. The politics in this State is very different from those in the socialist states that surround us.
18 posted on 04/01/2011 9:57:20 AM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: Fido969
What kind of jobs do these people have that they can take a day off and go to the statehouse?

GOVERNMENT JOBS! (& union hired protestors)

19 posted on 04/01/2011 9:58:01 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Graybeard58

Keep in mind that being a NH Rep. is not a fulltime paying job.
It pays $100/year plus mileage expense.


20 posted on 04/01/2011 10:10:34 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: chickadee
Gov Kasich signed the corresponding bill in Ohio yesterday. It is now law and the parasites are screeching.
21 posted on 04/01/2011 10:13:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Nachum

NH, WI, IN, OH, ID, NE, FL

And I’m probably missing a few. Very good trend. The 700 new state legislators aren’t wasting any time and are acting.


22 posted on 04/01/2011 10:24:05 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Redleg Duke

‘The big question, of course, is, will the legislature be able to overrule the RAT Governor Lynch’s certain veto?’

Exactly, which is why its hard to break out the party hats. Does the legislature have the spine to override? I’m betting not... Honestly, I wonder if all this isn’t just political theater meant to cast otherwise liberals/RINOs as conservatives.


23 posted on 04/01/2011 10:26:29 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Fido969

UH, UNION?


24 posted on 04/01/2011 10:27:02 AM PDT by aces
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To: Redleg Duke

‘The big question, of course, is, will the legislature be able to overrule the RAT Governor Lynch’s certain veto?’

Exactly, which is why its hard to break out the party hats. Does the legislature have the spine to override? I’m betting not... Honestly, I wonder if all this isn’t just political theater meant to cast otherwise liberals/RINOs as conservatives.


25 posted on 04/01/2011 10:31:15 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: chickadee
will the legislature be able to overrule the RAT Governor Lynch’s certain veto? Don't they have super majorities?
26 posted on 04/01/2011 10:34:39 AM PDT by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: scotts8826

Norma Love (AP)

Education
University of California, Berkeley Bachelors and Masters, Bachelors in Anthropology, Masters in Journalism
1967 – 1974

******

Mar 31, 2011 ... NORMA LOVE ~ Associated Press ~ CONCORD, N.H. ~

“While thousands of union members and advocates for the poor rally outside”


27 posted on 04/01/2011 10:38:35 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Little Bill

Good for you and from a Mass. resident I hope all ma. buisnesses move to your state.
And turn this state into the Dominican republic.
I’m out of here in a few years.


28 posted on 04/01/2011 10:43:29 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: USS Alaska; Nachum; Graybeard58
California has 80 in the state house for over 37 million.

462,500 per state rep.

What kind of representation is that?

29 posted on 04/01/2011 10:48:16 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Graybeard58
The U. S. Constitution originally stipulated that there would be one representative for every 30,000 people.

I've always thought that was a good thing.

Here in Maine, there are two representatives for 1,300,000 people.

How is it even remotely possible for a representative to be responsive to his constituents when his constituency is so enormous. It's absurd.

I say the more the better, bring on gridlock so that as little damage as possible will be done.

30 posted on 04/01/2011 11:01:38 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Little Bill

I remember reading an article in the Globe (forgive me) about a NH legislator who didn’t even have an office. He worked out of local barroom. There was a picture of him with the contents of his briefcase spread out over a pool table. That should be the model for all the States.


31 posted on 04/01/2011 11:01:42 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Nachum
...another cut eliminating four inspectors who check to make sure pumps, scales and other measuring devices charge consumers accurately. The House budget would let contractors calibrate the equipment, as well as verify the work.

This part is bad and wide open to fraud. The states have always been responsible for weights and measures.

32 posted on 04/01/2011 11:15:32 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Madame Dufarge
I agree with you. The framers expected a representative to know his constituents because his job was to vote based on a general 'sense' he got about their position on a any given issue. Now, they vote as their told and their constituents be damned. That's possible in a system where congressmen are too busy chasing after dollars.

Under Article I there would be 1 representative for every 30,000 persons or over 10,000 critters today. Do they need to be in Washington? They only spend a couple of days there now. They can work part-time from home which is reasonable with only 30,000 people to answer to. Also, imagine how response they'd be if they acutally had to live, work, shop, attend ballgames, church, etc. with the people they represented. (Our system was framed in opposition to Britain's system where Londoners, in essence, represented everyone everywhere.) Besides, with the hefty reduction in congressional pay they'll have actual jobs demanding most of their time. They can visit DC for their swearing in and a few ceremonial occasions. Technology (real high tech devices like the telephone) makes this possible.

Also, while there will always be plenty of money to buy votes, just imagine the logistics involved in paying off 1000, 2000 or 5001 critters. The paperwork involved. The travel.

33 posted on 04/01/2011 11:18:06 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Madame Dufarge
In the Maine state House of Rep, there are 367 reps for 1.3 million people.
34 posted on 04/01/2011 11:19:15 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Fido969
What kind of jobs do these people have that they can take a day off and go to the statehouse?

I'll bet you a dollar that most of them were also at the Wisconsin statehouse.

35 posted on 04/01/2011 11:20:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: hinckley buzzard

Gov Kasich signed the corresponding bill in Ohio yesterday. It is now law and the parasites are screeching.


Applause to Ohio!!


36 posted on 04/01/2011 11:21:12 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Oratam

I know all 8 of my State Reps, face to face, two of them live down the street from me. If I have a problem with them they can not hide.


37 posted on 04/01/2011 11:23:59 AM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: Graybeard58
I'm not sure how that's relevant to the number of Congressional representatives.

But to your point, Maine for the first time in 40 years has elected a Republican legislature and governor.

So I guess more is better.

38 posted on 04/01/2011 11:36:08 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: 556x45
Well, from your tone, you sound as though you are very highly invested in GOP failure.

If you are indeed a conservative, try not to practice being a self-fulfilling prophesy in the disappointment department.

39 posted on 04/01/2011 11:43:59 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Madame Dufarge
I'm not sure how that's relevant to the number of Congressional representatives

I was not referring in any way to Maine's representation in the U.S. House. It just seemed like a lot of representatives to the State House for a small population state.

40 posted on 04/01/2011 11:52:29 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Redleg Duke

LOL, how did you come to that silly conclusion??? Id love to see them prevail BUT...their track record says otherwise mostly. You seem not so politically savvy or realistic.


41 posted on 04/01/2011 11:52:35 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Oratam
The framers expected a representative to know his constituents because his job was to vote based on a general 'sense' he got about their position on a any given issue.

Exactly right. Of course this was back in the day when the term "representative" actually had meaning.

Do they need to be in Washington?

Absolutely not.

They all gathered in one place because there was no alternative at the time; no telegraph, no phones, no instant means of communication. It's absurd that they all have to gather at the temple these days.

They can work part-time from home which is reasonable with only 30,000 people to answer to. Also, imagine how response they'd be if they acutally had to live, work, shop, attend ballgames, church, etc. with the people they represented.

No kidding. Imagine their horror at having to actually interact with the great unwashed at the coffee shop. They'd all be stricken with agoraphobia.

Also, while there will always be plenty of money to buy votes, just imagine the logistics involved in paying off 1000, 2000 or 5001 critters. The paperwork involved. The travel.

Bingo. After all, People for the Ethical Treatment of Insects and the The Coalition for Living in Cold, Dark, Unheated Caves only have so much money to throw around.

42 posted on 04/01/2011 11:53:26 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Graybeard58
Sorry, I misunderstood your point.

Maine's always had a pretty high voter participation rate and, as far as I can figure, this may be a legacy of the state's once being rock-ribbed Republican and having an early understanding of the importance of actual representation.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

43 posted on 04/01/2011 12:03:41 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Graybeard58; Madame Dufarge

The Closer government is to the people the better they can judge and evaluate it. Damn Woman stay from Frog stuff.


44 posted on 04/01/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: Nachum

What the heck is a state the size of New Hampshire doing with 347 people in it’s House? Illinois has got to be at least 5 times their size and we only have 118.


46 posted on 04/01/2011 2:29:21 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Madame Dufarge

Our betters will never allow this as the present system affords so many . . . perks. I like the way you think!


47 posted on 04/01/2011 5:24:23 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Little Bill
I know all 8 of my State Reps, face to face, two of them live down the street from me. If I have a problem with them they can not hide.

If only this was true in the other 49 . . . or 56 if you use Obamaccounting.

48 posted on 04/01/2011 5:31:13 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: TShaunK

I heard last week that 1100 Fidelity employees are being relocated to NH and RI.
That is good for us , bad for you.
The Merrimack, NH Fidelity already has 4000 people there.
That means there potentially be another 500+ folks looking for a house/apt./condo in my area.


49 posted on 04/04/2011 10:41:34 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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