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US to pull jets from Odyssey Dawn?
Hotair ^ | April 1,2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 04/01/2011 10:47:34 AM PDT by Hojczyk

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To: ModelBreaker
LOL. Why would Ghadaffi accept that?

When one side starts losing it needs time to regroup and rearm. But in this particular case the rebels (reportedly on the retreat) issued something that looks like an ultimatum to the winning side, which indeed doesn't make any sense from any point of view. A good general would just ignore it and proceed with the offensive until all the goals are reached. A prolonged, back-and-forth civil war is much worse on the country than a quick, decisive and brutal destruction of enemy's fighting power. Think Fallujah, for example, which at one point in time was a center of rebel activity, and if left untreated it would be manufacturing jihadists until today.

As I see it, the best outcome for Libya would be to have the rebels defeated. It is nearly impossible to create democracy using military means, especially without wide support of the population. History shows that once fighters win they tend to keep fighting someone else, or each other. War is a very undemocratic way of bringing democracy to any country. As the Libyan example demonstrates, you need only a tiny number of "rebels" (a couple thousand) to become a political force and issue orders to UN and NATO. Did anyone ask the remaining tens of millions of Libyans what they want?

61 posted on 04/01/2011 10:50:40 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Hodar
If you do the math, less than 0.0012% of the male population cares enough to fight. That’s about 1.2 men per 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 65

Yes, our military has about 1000 people in it. (hint, try your math again)
62 posted on 04/02/2011 1:27:29 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: Hojczyk

>> “wee bit”

Not a cowboy term.


63 posted on 04/02/2011 1:29:07 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus *** forgoing 327 4 bolts. FU GM .)
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To: Hojczyk
Odyssey Dawn sounds like a name a bunch of college freshmen would come up with at midnight night in a dorm room while passing a joint around. “No, no dude..I've got it. How about...Odyssey Dawn?”. “Awesome man!”
64 posted on 04/02/2011 7:08:06 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Hojczyk

2011 - A Space (Cadet’s) Oddicy


65 posted on 04/02/2011 10:45:26 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2011-2012.)
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To: gleeaikin

in reference to the headline: yes, pull them


66 posted on 04/02/2011 1:00:50 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Spruce
Odyssey Dawn

And now - from "Win The Future" (WTF) to "Kinetic Military Action" (KMA)

do ANY of this gang have a clue? Keystone Cops. (Apologies to Keystone Cops)

67 posted on 04/02/2011 3:59:07 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Hodar; All
you ask: “Why are we there?”

What's the first RULE? “FOLLOW THE MONEY.”

Soros is after the gold - Quadaffi keeps his billions in gold in country - not in Swiss Banks. (People are learning you money is NOT safe in the Swiss vaults. When you need it - it gets ‘frozen.)
the other countries that went along are after the oil.

‘bummer does what his puppet master - Soros - tells him, number one. number two, this fits in with his plan to help establish the Caliphate. He made connections with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt right after he was sworn in...indeed, he went to Egypt for his his FIRST public speech - not in America. He invited the MB to the speech. (Victory celebration - we have the WH?)

Then fermented the uprising to get rid of Mubarak and now the MB are poised to take over.

He FULLY intends/intended to arm the rebels in Lybia, knowing full well there are many trained Al Qaeda with them - who are the ones Quadaffi is after. This whole kerfuffle started when a contingent of Al Q. attacked Tripoli, killed policemen and captured military equipment and ammo. Quadaffi has been turning jihadists over to us and the UK for years. He and Al Q are deadly enemies.

Arm the rebels, hoping we won't know who they really are - and then Al Q/ muzzies take over another country, next to Egypt and even bigger - then the muzzies have a LARGE chunk of Africa in which to reestablish the Caliphate (Don't forget Tripoli used to be, 200 years ago and again 100 years ago, a Caliphate stronghold)

so there's something in it for everyone - except America.

obummer has already given the fighting advantage in Afghanistan to the Taliban. He did that first off, 2 years ago. His new ROE favored the Taliban, tied our troops hands and made them sitting ducks. From the first month, we took DOUBLE the losses - and each month after - than we had before. You remember the headlines. Oh, right, the media suddenly went quiet about our troop losses.

obummer has also been quietly giving back strategic territory in the ‘ghan to the Taliban - complete with ammo and missiles and rockets etc...that has already been used on our troops. You remember THOSE headlines! Oh, right, there weren’t any.

He has handed over the Kunar Province in north eastern Afghanistan - piece meal - to the Taliban. This is where the strategic valleys are that the Taliban used to filter in to Afghanistan from Pakistan. Our troops fought and died in those valleys to prevent this access.

‘bummer has pulled our troops out, spit on their sacrifice (they never had enough men and equipment to really do the job once and for all) - and just handed it all back. Keep in mind, this is the territory that osama considered home - this is where he trained the 9-11 jihardists. And now he has it back - and he walks the Korengal again - and he laughs. ARe you brave enough to know the truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamBeYQeRvE

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2011/02/10/abandoning-the-pech-valley-part-ii/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uj6sRlzgik&feature=fvwrel

Do your homework. Too many of you are still depending on the media for your news. All these actions are related, part of 'bummer's overall pattern. connect to dots - and ALWAYS, when it comes to this gang of anti-American criminals in the WH - Always WATCH THE OTHER HAND.

68 posted on 04/02/2011 4:09:21 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Made In The USA
Is Barry going to stand on the deck of an aircraft carrier now and proclaim Mission Accomplished?

At least Bush stood on the deck AFTER piloting the fighter jet in himself.

This lily livered - cough cough - "commander" would have to have a change of trousers after just being a passenger...

69 posted on 04/02/2011 4:13:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: madison10
you say : “The title sounds pornographic. Odyssey Dawn is a stupid name for a war mission.”

Consider the source - Love this ad from the GOP - particularly look at the symbolism in the ‘riding a white steed across the sky - as did Mohamed - and the rainbow, signifying a ‘gay ride”?
GOP AD
http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2011/04/nrsc-ad.jpg

Mohamed
http://muslimrationalism.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/buraq-from-a-17th-century-mughal-miniature.jpg

Has anyone yet been brave enough to point out the obvious references?

70 posted on 04/02/2011 4:19:30 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: mowowie
Yea, maybe we should send in flying unicorns to bomb them with their skittle poop.

Here ya go -

(from ad by GOP)

71 posted on 04/02/2011 4:25:47 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: newguy357

The population of Libya is 6.4 Million (Google it).

Assuming 50% male, assume 50% between 18 and 60, assume 51% on the Rebel side.

You wind up with ~800K able-bodied men, who could fight for their freedom. Rebels report that they have ~1,000 fighters.

1,000/800,000 = 0.0012%

Less than 1 man in 120,000 has the courage to stand up to overthrow a tyrant. This is a NATION of COWARDS. They want someone else to die for them, because they are to scared to begin to defend themselves.

And this assumes that 49% of the population is fighting against them.


72 posted on 04/02/2011 5:47:51 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hojczyk

Mark Goldblatt writes on NRO: “Why do I have a sinking feeling that expecting the Libyan rebels to overthrow Qaddafi is like expecting the Coyote to catch the Road Runner . . . and that we’re about to become the Acme Corporation?”


73 posted on 04/02/2011 6:28:26 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (I gots no moneys, Obama din give me no pie.)
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To: Hodar

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Thought you were referring to our nation.


74 posted on 04/03/2011 1:04:44 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: Frantzie

The USA is not broke. We can spend our Grand children’s money after we are done pissing away our children’s money.


75 posted on 04/03/2011 6:06:36 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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