Posted on 04/01/2011 11:39:37 AM PDT by OneWingedShark
Governors are more powerful than you might think; they could, today, radically change the political landscape for the country.
I will now show just one way a governor could do so.
Being that I live in New Mexico I will use that state in my examples; most states should have similar language in their Constitutions.
First, declare a state of invasion; the New Mexico State Constitution gives the Governor such authority:
| Art V, Sec. 4 - [Governor’s executive power; commander of militia.] |
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| The supreme executive power of the state shall be vested in the governor, who shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. He shall be commander in chief of the military forces of the state, except when they are called in to the service of the United States. He shall have power to call out the militia to preserve the public peace, execute the laws, suppress insurrection and repel invasion. |
Second, call upon the militia, both organized and unorganized [in the case of New Mexico], to enforce our southern border’s security with lethal force.
| Art XVIII, Sec. 1 - [Composition, name and commander in chief of militia.] |
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| The militia of this state shall consist of all able-bodied male citizens between the ages of eighteen and forty-five, except such as are exempt by laws of the United States or of this state. The organized militia shall be called the “national guard of New Mexico,” of which the governor shall be the commander in chief. |
Third, apply to the Federal government demanding that they send assistance in the form of protection from the foreign invaders just as the United States Constitution requires:
| Article 4, Section 4 - US Constitution |
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| The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. |
So, in conclusion, this course of action is very-much a win-win situation for us: we would be legally forcing the correct action of the government OR causing it to prove that it has no intention of upholding "its end of the deal," thereby forcing it to divest any pretense for the legitimacy of its authority. While the spin in the national media will likely be horrible, any governor that actually did something as daring as this would likely become an instant folk-hero.
For instance, the WI State Constitution says:
Article IV, Section 14. -- Filling vacancies.
The governor shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies as may occur in either house of the legislature.
meaning that the Governor could have said "the 'missing' Legislator's seats are obviously vacant, as they have left the state, so I will issue these writs of election."
The most sure-fire way to eviscerate our opposition is to follow the plain language of the Constitutions of both the Nation and the State we live in.
Governors have a lot more power than they think.
—as a generality, I would prefer that governors “powers” be limited to subjects such as the positioning of rolls of T. P in the restrooms in the capitol and the color thereof-——
>—as a generality, I would prefer that governors “powers” be limited to subjects such as the positioning of rolls of T. P in the restrooms in the capitol and the color thereof-——
Why the hell would you want *THAT*?
Governors with _real_ power are one check against a corrupt Federal Government.
I thought you guys might like to read this, or to know who would.
1. Lorianne - Makes perfect sense. Therefore, it doesn’t stand a chance of happening.
2. OWS - Conflict among and between the various branches and levels of government were built into the Constitution as part of the separation of powers.
>2. OWS - Conflict among and between the various branches and levels of government were built into the Constitution as part of the separation of powers.
See my post 5.
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“Call on the UN to feed” which means we’ll be required to shuffle up about 1/4 to 1/2 of the total costs. We’re doing that already, aren’t we?
I’ve wondered about some of these exact questions. Thanks for the ping.
There is only one thing I would call on the UN to do.....
Get the heck out of the United States!
Thanks. If you develop a ping list for the consideration of these important issues, please include me anytime .
oops I meant lawlessness, not lack of lawlessness ... let me try this again.
Declare that the Mexican government is creating a climate of fear,and violence and lawlessness which is creating a refugee problem along their borders. Call on the UN to feed and house these refugess (ON THE MEXICAN SIDE OF THE BORDER)until such time as Mexico can get its government and law enforcement in order so that it can protect its own citizens.
Yes, that too.
But my point is to shame MEXICO by pointing out to the international community that they (MEXICO) are the ones causing a refugee problem on our border.
We are not causing the problem, MEXCICO IS, by not treating their citizens well
True, but we could make that point that we’ve already chipped in more than our share ... time for the rest of the world to deal with this refugee problem that MEXICO is creating.
Considering that 50 percent of our government is embracing socialism, demanding that we pay the bills for everyone else, I don’t think it stands much of a chance.
Pehaps we are too far gone. I don’t know.
But it’s worth a try.
I refer to ‘undocumented immigrants’ from Mexico in our coutnry as REFUGEES. That puts the blame on Mexico, where it should be, for creating a situation where so many people feel they need to leave their homes, their families, their culture etc. If Mexico was a decent place to live, they wouldn’t be here.
Plus I’m tired of Mexico blaming us for their own shortcomings. They should be shamed before the entire international community for the conditions inside their own bloody country.
How NM could change politics across the nation ping.
You’ll need a governor with a real set of stones to call up the “unorganized” militia, but just calling them up would instill instant national folk-hero status.
Imagine ... the governor calls for all able-bodied citizens, ages 18-45, to report to the state capitol building by noon on Saturday. Every responding militia member must bring a serviceable centerfire rifle greater than .22 caliber with at least 200 rounds of ammunition for same. Sidearms may be brought as well but only rifles will be counted for militia duty. If the governor wants to be super cautious, the call-up could be limited to military veterans only, to weed out undesireables.
Additional call-up requirements could include camping gear (to include campers or Winnebagos), a knife or “well-scoured hatchet” (sorry, that was one of the old Minuteman requirements), food & water, ATVs, etc.
Even if the governor simply took names then disbanded them, just the sight of so many armed citizens ready to defend their state would make a potent statement!
The ramifications would be enormous! DO IT!
>>If Mexico was a decent place to live, they wouldn’t be here.<<
I’m sure parts of Mexico are a decent place to live, the problem is that our Democrats ie. Socialists want them here because they’ll vote for Democrats.
Look at our country and you’ll see we have Democrats running the top offices in just about every major city. They write social programs that any poor person would be foolish not to sign up for. Food, housing, medical care, job training, college classes, abortions, you name it. There is hardly any enforcement against fraud at the local level, state or federal until it gets into the millions of dollars per month and demands justice. If you were a poor Mexican wouldn’t you run for our border?
Then there’s the money hungry drug cartels. A bunch of greedy, cold blooded, vicious killers using uneducated peons to do their dirty work. For who? For American drug addicts. Charlie Sheen is one example of the rot in America. The slob who lives in the ghetto is at the other end of the rot scale. Every school in America has teenagers who are drug dealers. The MS-13 gang runs drugs in just about every state in America. Why? Because Americans are stupid and get themselves addicted to using drugs. The pot heads who say they aren’t addicted are idiots. Stop smoking pot for 90 days and I’ll believe you aren’t an addict.
Most of the problems we have in America are of our own doing. The firestorm over the budget deficit are our own doing. They are threatening to shut the government down on whether we should use a cup or a two gallon bucket to put the fire out. We expect them to use 8” fire hoses but that’s never going to happen. We’re in doo-doo up to our chins and yet we refuse to stand on the ladder to get our arms free.
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While I agree this should be done, we must acknowledge that New Mexico has limited road access to the border and thus limited opportunity to facilitate the invasion unlike Texas or Arizona.
We must also acknowledge that while the Governor can do theses things it will cost we the Tax payer money. Money that we had been paying Federal Taxes for the Federal goverment to do.
That is so funny...you have no idea...I am not making fun of you but trust me it is not possible to shame Mexico into doing anything. You have to look at this from Mexico's point of view- Mexico is exporting drugs to us, which benefits not only their economy but with all the necessary bribes individual politicians and many others make tons of money from drug payoffs. Mexico also exports their poor people to us in the form of illegals- make no mistake about it they actively encourage their people to leave and even assist them. Exporting the poor people to us saves them tons of money. Think about it- if something is not only making you a lot of money but is also saving you a lot of money would you be eager to stop it? If you want to talk shame, the wealthy people in Mexico make fun of how stupid we are to support most of their poor people, and give them so many rights. We are the ones that should be ashamed to be used like we allow our country to be used.
This is true, and it only adds to the shame that would be incurred by the federal government if they fight against their own obligations, or even stalling, rather than doing what they should.
“”We must also acknowledge that while the Governor can do theses things it will cost we the Tax payer money. Money that we had been paying Federal Taxes for the Federal goverment to do.”
This is true, and it only adds to the shame that would be incurred by the federal government if they fight against their own obligations, or even stalling, rather than doing what they should.”
It is a matter of no insignificance the fraud of a “Federal goverment” that has developed in Washington D.C. over the last few hundred years.
Compared to a seemingly endless stream of other usurpation ranging from right to work, to roe v. wade the border failure seems almost a minor conservancy.
From Washington we pay out the gazoon for things we never consented to, while those which we did consent to and demand as their core responsibility go ignored.
In the trillions of dollars they take form us each year you would think they would find money to do more of their basic constitutionally enumerated jobs. Rather then squandering most of it on unauthorized usurpation of our rights, and the rights we have ceded only to our State Governments.
The courts no longer uphold the constitutions of the States nor the Federal constitution. The elite (oligarchy) “do as they wilt.” The serfs have no rights.
>It is right and good what you propose but it depends on a missing element - the judicial branch.
Actually it doesn’t; the judicial branch cannot rule that an explosion of illegal immigrants are not conduction an invasion (per dictionary definition) without giving aid to those very illegal immigrants which is the Constitution’s definition of treason.
>The courts no longer uphold the constitutions of the States nor the Federal constitution.
Which is why strict pursuit of Justice and a hope that it will satisfy The Creator and Destroyer of Nations is what we as-a-nation must do.
>The elite (oligarchy) “do as they wilt.” The serfs have no rights.
This is why they ridicule and disparage things like jury nullification and citizen-formed Grand juries.
A Grand Jury using its investigative & presentment powers is a powerful check against officially sanctioned criminal conduct.
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“Governors have a lot more power than they think.”
Let’s hope when they find out how much power they have, they have the courage to implement it.
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Calling to the capitol would be difficult for many. The militia requirement is that citizens have weapons, not cars.
The old statutes generally required people to know their mustering point, and militia leaders in advance, a practice that has fallen into disrepair.
Some states still have militia districts on their maps, but it is doubtful that anyone knows theirs, or where the mustering point would be, and there is no procedure in place for electing captains, etc.
A good substitute would be to order all members to report to their local fire station, as most would know where that was. OTOH, this could result in smaller groups of disorganized people who could then be targeted before they became effective.
Still, I think you have a point.
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