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Pastor Terry Jones Says Afghan U.N. Violence 'Proves My Point'
ABC News ^ | April 1, 2011 | NICK SCHIFRIN, AGHA ALEEM, LEE FERRAN and MATT GUTMAN

Posted on 04/01/2011 5:09:06 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who oversaw the burning of a Koran last month, said he did not feel responsible for the violent protest at a United Nations compound in Afghanistan today that left at least 11 dead. Instead, he said the violence proved his point.

"We wanted to raise awareness of this dangerous religion and dangerous element," Jones said. "I think [today's attack] proves that there is a radical element of Islam."

As for the 11 dead, which included seven U.N. staffers and guards, Jones told "Nightline" anchor Bill Weir, "We do not feel responsible, no."

The deaths followed a protest march in the northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif today against the Koran burning. Jones supervised while another pastor, Wayne Sapp, soaked the Koran in kerosene and burned it.

"We decided to put the Koran on trail," he told Weir. "I was the judge but I did not determine the verdict. I was just a type of referee so that people got their time to defend or condemn the Koran."

Jones said that a "jury" of people from all over Florida debated the radicalism of Islam, and the "Koran was found guilty."

"If the Koran was found guilty then there were four forms of punishment: burning, shredding, grounding, a firing squad," he said. "The one that the people chose was burning. That is why the Koran was burned after it was found guilty."

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1 posted on 04/01/2011 5:09:09 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Saudi ISLAMIC government seizes privately owned Christian Bibles and burns them every year.

ABCDisney news and our pro-Islamist president say NOTHING about this human rights abuse.


2 posted on 04/01/2011 5:13:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This guy is a dramatist looking for attention.

I personally would have preferred he shoot the Koran. Burning is so yesterday.


3 posted on 04/01/2011 5:13:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Paper and ink are worth more than human lives...where do I sign up for this enlightened belief system?


4 posted on 04/01/2011 5:14:32 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: a fool in paradise

This is actually a pretty mild opposition to Christianity compared with a lot of the ‘stans.


5 posted on 04/01/2011 5:15:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So let me get this straight , eleven people died because one muslin book was burned? recently 600 Bibles were burned by muslins, does this mean we need to kill 6600 muslims to restore the honour to the Bible?

Unless we want this kind of animal behavior to start happening in America, we need to make sure that any mullah peaching hate be banned from our shores.


6 posted on 04/01/2011 5:18:25 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Many Muslims over there are a murder looking for a victim and any excuse will do.


7 posted on 04/01/2011 5:21:51 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Good way to get Muslims to self incriminate.

Now all we need to do is execute the punishment.

8 posted on 04/01/2011 5:23:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

There is a death penalty for any non-muslim (including Christians) who’d dare enter the segregated cities of Mecca and Medina.

That doesn’t seem so mild.


9 posted on 04/01/2011 5:23:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: omegadawn
11 just today. Those people in Arab and .stan countries need an outlet to vent their anger, the Great Satan might just really become it. Sucks for the US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, as if they weren't in enough danger
10 posted on 04/01/2011 5:24:28 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (We can either have a free market economy or socialism, TARPers, GM and GE can't have it both ways.)
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To: omegadawn

Add six zeros.


11 posted on 04/01/2011 5:24:53 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Whatever Islam is, we are in a religious war, and that’s the least our leaders ought to admit. But hell, “our leaders” are either Communists or RINOS.


12 posted on 04/01/2011 5:25:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Navy Patriot

We are told that moderate muslims abhor violence and jihad.

But that it is so easy to “radicalize” the muslims by engaging in such actions.

The moderates aren’t so non-violent after all. It’s akin to a “moderate nazi”.


13 posted on 04/01/2011 5:25:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: mewykwistmas
Those people in Arab and .stan countries need an outlet to vent their anger

How about taking it out on the warlords, chieftans, and princes who keep them broke, ignorant, and enslaved to Mohammed's death cult?

A change is gonna come.

14 posted on 04/01/2011 5:27:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He is 100% right as far as it proving his point.

There is also of course the New Jersey public worker who did burn the Koran at the time that this pastor orginally said he would do it. There is also video of a fascist angry mob surrounding guy and then he was fired for his personal protest from his government job. I think there still is a lawsuit on going.

The point of the protest in burning the Koran was a protest against the oppresive radical murderous behavior of those who use it as their excuse.

They did prove the point of the protest.


15 posted on 04/01/2011 5:32:32 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: All

AMERICANS FOR A MUSLIM FREE AMERICA.

We found out all we need to know about Islam on 9-11.


16 posted on 04/01/2011 5:39:49 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: a fool in paradise
The lead story on Google News screams all about the Pastor. The Pastor, as if he's a serial killer!

If I hadn't read it elsewhere earlier, I would not be aware that the frickin religion of peace zealots IN THE SAME COUNTRY THAT U.S. TROOPS ARE DYING IN sawed the heads off of two innocent UN workers there!

Nuke the freakin poppy fields and pull out of the 3rd century rat hole. Now. And I am absolutely serious. Level the poppy fields and shake the dust off our feet.

17 posted on 04/01/2011 5:40:59 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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thanks Free ThinkerNY, and thanks Nachum:

Only 14, Bangladeshi girl charged with adultery was lashed to death
cnn | 3/31/11 | Farid Ahmed and Moni Basu
Posted on 03/31/2011 9:33:09 AM PDT by Nachum
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2697638/posts


18 posted on 04/01/2011 5:59:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Yeah, we must now suspend our Constitutional Right to free specch or Muslims might be offended, kill people, and we will be held responsible...

Any other Rights we should be flushing while we're at it?

19 posted on 04/01/2011 6:01:10 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If I were a Company Comander in Afghanistan, I would think about visiting Pastor Jones on my return and kicking the sh!t out of this attention whore. I don’t like rabid dogs but, recognizing their nature, I’m not going to poke them with a stick unnecessarily.


20 posted on 04/01/2011 6:01:14 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: arkady_renko

“The lead story on Google News screams all about the Pastor. The Pastor, as if he’s a serial killer!”

He’s a murderer. This scumbag did this knowing people would die...but he didn’t care, not if he could get some ink.

It would be a real shame if his building got burnt down.
/sarcasm


21 posted on 04/01/2011 6:09:49 PM PDT by Valin
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To: mewykwistmas
Unless the Afghan government executes the imam that started the riot, there is no purpose for us to stay in Afghanistan. Withdraw our troops .
22 posted on 04/01/2011 6:19:45 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Here come the boys from the South: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHibGC21VpQ&skipcontrinter=1


23 posted on 04/01/2011 6:22:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: omegadawn

The value of a Bible is much higher than 10 damned souls.

Even to this agnostic.


24 posted on 04/01/2011 6:23:06 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 799 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, where is the 'president'?)
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To: arkady_renko
If I hadn't read it elsewhere earlier, I would not be aware that the frickin religion of peace zealots IN THE SAME COUNTRY THAT U.S. TROOPS ARE DYING IN sawed the heads off of two innocent UN workers there!

You're right. The US lamestream media are hiding the fact that at least two UN workers, most likely Europeans, were BEHEADED.

I am noticing other extreme political correctness in the reporting of this story.

Each time it is mentioned on ABC radio news, the newsreader carefully begins the story with "The demonstration began peacefully, but...."

ABC is trying to make it sound as if the demonstrators were nice decent fellas .... but some nasty men with knives just happened to show up and ruin the Kumbayah.

25 posted on 04/01/2011 6:23:37 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: null and void

True , but the muslims make do with burning Bibles until they get a chance to burn churchs and kill Christians.


26 posted on 04/01/2011 6:28:10 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; a fool in paradise

A friend of mine is a Baptist minister and he has been talking online with a Saudi convert for the past several years. The man is hoping to get out of the country soon, for he is afraid his family might be growing suspicious and would either turn him over to the religious police or deal with him themselves, and he wouldn’t survive either encounter.


27 posted on 04/01/2011 6:38:10 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: JimSEA

Why dont you come and visit me then and I’ll burn the Koran publically for you and we will see how quick you can take away my right to free speech with your pansy threat of violence.

You want Americans to be afraid of upsetting radical Islamists because they do not accept free speech?

Instead of displaying anger for these evil terrorist scum you instead want to squelch free speech with threats of violence?

I doubt that anyone with the type of fear you display will do much if face to face.

Yea let’s see our own troops target Americans for acts of free speech based upon your logic. For years upon years I have seen the left-wing give moral support to our enemy and claim that we have to support them and now you here at FR want to call for anyone burning a Koran in protest to be assualted by our troops? How many of the left-wing human shields and other left-wingers who supported the enemy got assaulted?

Pathetic!


28 posted on 04/01/2011 6:45:43 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: JimSEA; Valin

Bumping both of your posts.


29 posted on 04/01/2011 6:46:48 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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To: TheBigIf

How is this different than yelling “FIRE!” in a crowded theater?


30 posted on 04/01/2011 6:50:23 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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To: omegadawn

I’m not faulting your reasoning, only the quantity of the retribution. 10:1? Nah, maybe 1,000:1 or even higher?


31 posted on 04/01/2011 6:50:23 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 799 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, where is the 'president'?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
He should have beheaded the quran ala Nick Berg.
32 posted on 04/01/2011 6:50:43 PM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: prairiebreeze

Because their is no crowded theater at all. It is instead a terrorist movement that seeks to take away our rights.

That is a BIG difference that obviously you fail to see.


33 posted on 04/01/2011 6:52:56 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: omegadawn

See tagline.


34 posted on 04/01/2011 6:55:14 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: shhrubbery!

“You’re right. The US lamestream media are hiding the fact that at least two UN workers, most likely Europeans, were BEHEADED.”

They don’t want to make the crowd seem as extremists :)

In all seriousness, if we had no US soldiers in the ground, it would be totally different. But if this spreads, and it will, many 19 year old soldiers will pay with their lives. So the “preacher” had the right to do it, but...


35 posted on 04/01/2011 6:59:33 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (We can either have a free market economy or socialism, TARPers, GM and GE can't have it both ways.)
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To: mewykwistmas

Well not too long back I read about how young girls were not able to go out in public in certain parts of France without being beaten and raped unless they wore the burka.

Of course they had a right to go out without a burka but.....

Then of course there freedom of expression might upset the radical Islamists so I guess they shouldn’t do it.

Maybe we should go beat the crap out of anyone who trys to stand up for these girls. They may cause the radical Islamists to get upset and murder.


36 posted on 04/01/2011 7:05:10 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Valin; JimSEA
I would think about visiting Pastor Jones on my return and kicking the sh!t out of this attention whore This scumbag did this knowing people would die...but he didn’t care, not if he could get some ink. It would be a real shame if his building got burnt down.

So what you're both suggesting is that we appease the rabid Islamist murderers.

And when do we get to stop appeasing them?

You know, it doesn't take a Koran burning to set off these cretins. A Danish cartoonist had to audacity to draw a cartoon with an imaginary Mohammad in it. PEOPLE WERE KILLED in the riots over ... a cartoon.

37 posted on 04/01/2011 7:06:57 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sounds like some Muzzies need anger management classes.
38 posted on 04/01/2011 7:09:46 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: shhrubbery!; Valin; JimSEA

Both Valin and JimSEA suggested far more than just appeasing radical Islamists. They both suggested punishing anyone who dares not toe that line.

It is a not a shame if he gets burned down to the ground or beaten for his freedom of speech seemed to be the suggestion.

Pathetic!


39 posted on 04/01/2011 7:16:10 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

I don’t hold the pastor to nearly the same level of blame as the killers or those that incited the mob. Yet, I can’t hold him blameless either.

Must sleep on the story and discussion, but this just hasn’t set right with me since reading it this afternoon.


40 posted on 04/01/2011 7:20:05 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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To: TheBigIf

How about taking care of the real problem?

The terrorists who committed the murders!!!

Or should be careful not to incite them with our freedom of speech?


41 posted on 04/01/2011 7:20:45 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

The Islamists must be cackling with glee when they read posts like that.

They’ve got their jihad against the West half won — by getting Americans to scapegoat their own.


42 posted on 04/01/2011 7:23:25 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: prairiebreeze

I do admit that the pastor with his actions walks a very fine and dangerous line but....

There are many of us who fear losing our rights more than we fear radical terrorists of Islam.

I will publically burn A Koran tommorrow if I feel like I have to stand up for my rights. Screw anyone who wants to try and kill me for it.


43 posted on 04/01/2011 7:23:28 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He did prove his point.


44 posted on 04/01/2011 7:24:28 PM PDT by Antoninus (Fight the homosexual agenda. Support marriage -- www.nationformarriage.org)
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To: TheBigIf

What if they end up killing innocent others because of it?

(ok, I’m off for the night now for sure, will look for your response tomorrow if you care to post one)


45 posted on 04/01/2011 7:26:46 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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To: Valin; JimSEA; prairiebreeze

I will just add that I know that the positions each of you take come from a deep love and support for our troops and that you want Americans to act in ways that will support them and not put them in harms ways.

I apoligise for the passion I displayed against your posts. I do overall disagree with the position you are all taking but I do 100% respect the place whereas it is coming from.

I do not want to see our troops be underminded and I know this issue has two sides to it.

Please accept my apoligies if I over-reacted with my counter points.


46 posted on 04/01/2011 7:32:40 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: JimSEA
If I were a Company Comander in Afghanistan, I would think about visiting Pastor Jones on my return and kicking the sh!t out of this attention whore. I don’t like rabid dogs but, recognizing their nature, I’m not going to poke them with a stick unnecessarily.

Oh, yeah, blame the pastor not the frickin' muslim loonies who actually committed the murders of someone who was totally innocent in the burning of the frickin' sh** book of the muslims. Your kind of thinking is why the MSM and politicians keep their mouths closed and allow this murderous cult to stay in business.

47 posted on 04/01/2011 7:35:04 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Antoninus

Another point is that muslims seem to lack the ability to apply some self-criticism now and then.


48 posted on 04/01/2011 7:36:17 PM PDT by Bazooka (When Tolerance met Indifference, it was love at first sight.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So where are all the interviews, press conferences, and news releases from all of the Islamist leaders in the U.S. denouncing the massacre of U.N. personnel in Afghanistan and the beheading of two people?!?

Where are all the statements from Mohammadans to the media claiming that while they are critical of the Koran burning, they denounce the slaughter of innocent people by Afghan extremists who were not behaving as Muslims should?!?

.... waiting.... waiting.... (crickets chirping).... waiting....

49 posted on 04/01/2011 7:37:41 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: prairiebreeze

Well Jones is a moron. HE had to know that innocents would die as a result of his stunt. He is an attention whore. Had he traveled to Afghanistan or some other insane Muslim country and put his butt on the line he would be walking the walk.

Of course the Muslim religion breeds savagery nothing more nothing less. These people are insane and the people who try to portray the savages as a Religion of Peace are kidding themselves.


50 posted on 04/01/2011 7:43:10 PM PDT by Leto
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