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A Hidden History of Evil
City Journal ^ | Spring 2010 | Claire Berlinski

Posted on 04/02/2011 9:26:44 AM PDT by bronxville

A Hidden History of Evil

Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

In the world’s collective consciousness, the word “Nazi” is synonymous with evil. It is widely understood that the Nazis’ ideology—nationalism, anti-Semitism, the autarkic ethnic state, the Führer principle—led directly to the furnaces of Auschwitz. It is not nearly as well understood that Communism led just as inexorably, everywhere on the globe where it was applied, to starvation, torture, and slave-labor camps. Nor is it widely acknowledged that Communism was responsible for the deaths of some 150 million human beings during the twentieth century. The world remains inexplicably indifferent and uncurious about the deadliest ideology in history.

For evidence of this indifference, consider the unread Soviet archives. Pavel Stroilov, a Russian exile in London, has on his computer 50,000 unpublished, untranslated, top-secret Kremlin documents, mostly dating from the close of the Cold War. He stole them in 2003 and fled Russia. Within living memory, they would have been worth millions to the CIA; they surely tell a story about Communism and its collapse that the world needs to know. Yet he can’t get anyone to house them in a reputable library, publish them, or fund their translation. In fact, he can’t get anyone to take much interest in them at all.

Then there’s Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, who once spent 12 years in the USSR’s prisons, labor camps, and psikhushkas—political psychiatric hospitals—after being convicted of copying anti-Soviet literature. He, too, possesses a massive collection of stolen and smuggled papers from the archives of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, which, as he writes, “contain the beginnings and the ends of all the tragedies of our bloodstained century.” These documents are available online at bukovsky-archives.net, but most are not translated. They are unorganized; there are no summaries; there is no search or index function. “I offer them free of charge to the most influential newspapers and journals in the world, but nobody wants to print them,” Bukovsky writes. “Editors shrug indifferently: So what? Who cares?”

The originals of most of Stroilov’s documents remain in the Kremlin archives, where, like most of the Soviet Union’s top-secret documents from the post-Stalin era, they remain classified. They include, Stroilov says, transcripts of nearly every conversation between Gorbachev and his foreign counterparts—hundreds of them, a near-complete diplomatic record of the era, available nowhere else. There are notes from the Politburo taken by Georgy Shakhnazarov, an aide of Gorbachev’s, and by Politburo member Vadim Medvedev. There is the diary of Anatoly Chernyaev—Gorbachev’s principal aide and deputy chief of the body formerly known as the Comintern—which dates from 1972 to the collapse of the regime. There are reports, dating from the 1960s, by Vadim Zagladin, deputy chief of the Central Committee’s International Department until 1987 and then Gorbachev’s advisor until 1991. Zagladin was both envoy and spy, charged with gathering secrets, spreading disinformation, and advancing Soviet influence.

When Gorbachev and his aides were ousted from the Kremlin, they took unauthorized copies of these documents with them. The documents were scanned and stored in the archives of the Gorbachev Foundation, one of the first independent think tanks in modern Russia, where a handful of friendly and vetted researchers were given limited access to them. Then, in 1999, the foundation opened a small part of the archive to independent researchers, including Stroilov. The key parts of the collection remained restricted; documents could be copied only with the written permission of the author, and Gorbachev refused to authorize any copies whatsoever. But there was a flaw in the foundation’s security, Stroilov explained to me. When things went wrong with the computers, as often they did, he was able to watch the network administrator typing the password that gave access to the foundation’s network. Slowly and secretly, Stroilov copied the archive and sent it to secure locations around the world.

When I first heard about Stroilov’s documents, I wondered if they were forgeries. But in 2006, having assessed the documents with the cooperation of prominent Soviet dissidents and Cold War spies, British judges concluded that Stroilov was credible and granted his asylum request. The Gorbachev Foundation itself has since acknowledged the documents’ authenticity.

Bukovsky’s story is similar. In 1992, President Boris Yeltsin’s government invited him to testify at the Constitutional Court of Russia in a case concerning the constitutionality of the Communist Party. The Russian State Archives granted Bukovsky access to its documents to prepare his testimony. Using a handheld scanner, he copied thousands of documents and smuggled them to the West.

The Russian state cannot sue Stroilov or Bukovsky for breach of copyright, since the material was created by the Communist Party and the Soviet Union, neither of which now exists. Had he remained in Russia, however, Stroilov believes that he could have been prosecuted for disclosure of state secrets or treason. The military historian Igor Sutyagin is now serving 15 years in a hard-labor camp for the crime of collecting newspaper clippings and other open-source materials and sending them to a British consulting firm. The danger that Stroilov and Bukovsky faced was real and grave; they both assumed, one imagines, that the world would take notice of what they had risked so much to acquire.

Stroilov claims that his documents “tell a completely new story about the end of the Cold War. The ‘commonly accepted’ version of history of that period consists of myths almost entirely. These documents are capable of ruining each of those myths.” Is this so? I couldn’t say. I don’t read Russian. Of Stroilov’s documents, I have seen only the few that have been translated into English. Certainly, they shouldn’t be taken at face value; they were, after all, written by Communists. But the possibility that Stroilov is right should surely compel keen curiosity.

For instance, the documents cast Gorbachev in a far darker light than the one in which he is generally regarded. In one document, he laughs with the Politburo about the USSR’s downing of Korean Airlines flight 007 in 1983—a crime that was not only monstrous but brought the world very near to nuclear Armageddon. These minutes from a Politburo meeting on October 4, 1989, are similarly disturbing:

Lukyanov reports that the real number of casualties on Tiananmen Square was 3,000.

Gorbachev: We must be realists. They, like us, have to defend themselves. Three thousands . . . So what?

And a transcript of Gorbachev’s conversation with Hans-Jochen Vogel, the leader of West Germany’s Social Democratic Party, shows Gorbachev defending Soviet troops’ April 9, 1989, massacre of peaceful protesters in Tbilisi.

Stroilov’s documents also contain transcripts of Gorbachev’s discussions with many Middle Eastern leaders. These suggest interesting connections between Soviet policy and contemporary trends in Russian foreign policy.

Here is a fragment from a conversation reported to have taken place with Syrian president Hafez al-Assad on April 28, 1990:

H. ASSAD. To put pressure on Israel, Baghdad would need to get closer to Damascus, because Iraq has no common borders with Israel. . . .

M. S. GORBACHEV. I think so, too. . . .

H. ASSAD. Israel’s approach is different, because the Judaic religion itself states: the land of Israel spreads from Nile to Euphrates and its return is a divine predestination.

M. S. GORBACHEV. But this is racism, combined with Messianism!

H. ASSAD. This is the most dangerous form of racism.

One doesn’t need to be a fantasist to wonder whether these discussions might be relevant to our understanding of contemporary Russian policy in a region of some enduring strategic significance.

There are other ways in which the story that Stroilov’s and Bukovsky’s papers tell isn’t over. They suggest, for example, that the architects of the European integration project, as well as many of today’s senior leaders in the European Union, were far too close to the USSR for comfort. This raises important questions about the nature of contemporary Europe—questions that might be asked when Americans consider Europe as a model for social policy, or when they seek European diplomatic cooperation on key issues of national security.

According to Zagladin’s reports, for example, Kenneth Coates, who from 1989 to 1998 was a British member of the European Parliament, approached Zagladin on January 9, 1990, to discuss what amounted to a gradual merger of the European Parliament and the Supreme Soviet. Coates, says Zagladin, explained that “creating an infrastructure of cooperation between the two parliament[s] would help . . . to isolate the rightists in the European Parliament (and in Europe), those who are interested in the USSR’s collapse.” Coates served as chair of the European Parliament’s Subcommittee on Human Rights from 1992 to 1994. How did it come to pass that Europe was taking advice about human rights from a man who had apparently wished to “isolate” those interested in the USSR’s collapse and sought to extend Soviet influence in Europe?

Or consider a report on Francisco Fernández Ordóñez, who led Spain’s integration into the European Community as its foreign minister. On March 3, 1989, according to these documents, he explained to Gorbachev that “the success of perestroika means only one thing—the success of the socialist revolution in contemporary conditions. And that is exactly what the reactionaries don’t accept.” Eighteen months later, Ordóñez told Gorbachev: “I feel intellectual disgust when I have to read, for example, passages in the documents of ‘G7’ where the problems of democracy, freedom of human personality and ideology of market economy are set on the same level. As a socialist, I cannot accept such an equation.” Perhaps most shockingly, the Eastern European press has reported that Stroilov’s documents suggest that François Mitterrand was maneuvering with Gorbachev to ensure that Germany would unite as a neutral, socialist entity under a Franco-Soviet condominium.

Zagladin’s records also note that the former leader of the British Labour Party, Neil Kinnock, approached Gorbachev—unauthorized, while Kinnock was leader of the opposition—through a secret envoy to discuss the possibility of halting the United Kingdom’s Trident nuclear-missile program. The minutes of the meeting between Gorbachev and the envoy, MP Stuart Holland, read as follows:

In [Holland’s] opinion, Soviet Union should be very interested in liquidation of “Tridents” because, apart from other things, the West—meaning the US, Britain and France—would have a serious advantage over the Soviet Union after the completion of START treaty. THAT ADVANTAGE WILL NEED TO BE ELIMINATED. . . . At the same time Holland noted that, of course, we can seriously think about realisation of that idea only if the Labour comes to power. He said Thatcher . . . would never agree to any reduction of nuclear armaments.

Kinnock was vice president of the European Commission from 1999 to 2004, and his wife, Glenys, is now Britain’s minister for Europe. Gerard Batten, a member of the UK Independence Party, has noted the significance of the episode. “If the report given to Mr. Gorbachev is true, it means that Lord Kinnock approached one of Britain’s enemies in order to seek approval regarding his party’s defense policy and, had he been elected, Britain’s defense policy,” Batten said to the European Parliament in 2009. “If this report is true, then Lord Kinnock would be guilty of treason.”

Similarly, Baroness Catherine Ashton, who is now the European Union’s foreign minister, was treasurer of Britain’s Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament from 1980 to 1982. The papers offer evidence that this organization received “unidentified income” from the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Stroilov’s papers suggest as well that the government of the current Spanish EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, Joaquín Almunia, enthusiastically supported the Soviet project of gradually unifying Germany and Europe into a socialist “common European home” and strongly opposed the independence of the Baltic states and then of Ukraine.

Perhaps it doesn’t surprise you to read that prominent European politicians held these views. But why doesn’t it? It is impossible to imagine that figures who had enjoyed such close ties to the Nazi Party—or, for that matter, to the Ku Klux Klan or to South Africa’s apartheid regime—would enjoy top positions in Europe today. The rules are different, apparently, for Communist fellow travelers. “We now have the EU unelected socialist party running Europe,” Stroilov said to me. “Bet the KGB can’t believe it.”

And what of Zagladin’s description of his dealings with our own current vice president in 1979?

Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] BIDEN and [Senator Richard] LUGAR said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . . In other words, the collocutors directly admitted that what is happening is a kind of a show, that they absolutely do not care for the fate of most so-called dissidents. Remarkably, the world has shown little interest in the unread Soviet archives.

That paragraph about Biden is a good example. Stroilov and Bukovsky coauthored a piece about it for the online magazine FrontPage on October 10, 2008; it passed without remark. Americans considered the episode so uninteresting that even Biden’s political opponents didn’t try to turn it into political capital. Imagine, if you can, what it must feel like to have spent the prime of your life in a Soviet psychiatric hospital, to know that Joe Biden is now vice president of the United States, and to know that no one gives a damn.

Bukovsky’s book about the story that these documents tell, Jugement à Moscou, has been published in French, Russian, and a few other Slavic languages, but not in English. Random House bought the manuscript and, in Bukovsky’s words, tried “to force me to rewrite the whole book from the liberal left political perspective.” Bukovsky replied that “due to certain peculiarities of my biography I am allergic to political censorship.” The contract was canceled, the book was never published in English, and no other publisher has shown interest in it. Neither has anyone wanted to publish EUSSR, a pamphlet by Stroilov and Bukovsky about the Soviet roots of European integration. In 2004, a very small British publisher did print an abbreviated version of the pamphlet; it, too, passed unnoticed.

Stroilov has a long list of complaints about journalists who have initially shown interest in the documents, only to tell him later that their editors have declared the story insignificant. In advance of Gorbachev’s visit to Germany for the celebration of the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, Stroilov says, he offered the German press the documents depicting Gorbachev unflatteringly. There were no takers. In France, news about the documents showing Mitterrand’s and Gorbachev’s plans to turn Germany into a dependent socialist state prompted a few murmurs of curiosity, nothing more. Bukovsky’s vast collection about Soviet sponsorship of terrorism, Palestinian and otherwise, remains largely unpublished.

Stroilov says that he and Bukovsky approached Jonathan Brent of Yale University Press, which is leading a publishing project on the history of the Cold War. He claims that initially Brent was enthusiastic and asked him to write a book, based on the documents, about the first Gulf War. Stroilov says that he wrote the first six chapters, sent them off, and never heard from Brent again, despite sending him e-mail after e-mail. “I can only speculate what so much frightened him in that book,” Stroilov wrote to me.

I’ve also asked Brent and received no reply. This doesn’t mean anything; people are busy. I am less inclined to believe in complex attempts to suppress the truth than I am in indifference and preoccupation with other things. Stroilov sees in these events “a kind of a taboo, the vague common understanding in the Establishment that it is better to let sleeping dogs lie, not to throw stones in a house of glass, and not to mention a rope in the house of a hanged man.” I suspect it is something even more disturbing: no one much cares.

“I know the time will come,” Stroilov says, “when the world has to look at those documents very carefully. We just cannot escape this. We have no way forward until we face the truth about what happened to us in the twentieth century. Even now, no matter how hard we try to ignore history, all these questions come back to us time and again.”

The questions come back time and again, it is true, but few remember that they have been asked before, and few remember what the answer looked like. No one talks much about the victims of Communism. No one erects memorials to the throngs of people murdered by the Soviet state. (In his widely ignored book, A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia, Alexander Yakovlev, the architect of perestroika under Gorbachev, puts the number at 30 to 35 million.)

Indeed, many still subscribe to the essential tenets of Communist ideology. Politicians, academics, students, even the occasional autodidact taxi driver still stand opposed to private property. Many remain enthralled by schemes for central economic planning. Stalin, according to polls, is one of Russia’s most popular historical figures. No small number of young people in Istanbul, where I live, proudly describe themselves as Communists; I have met such people around the world, from Seattle to Calcutta.

We rightly insisted upon total denazification; we rightly excoriate those who now attempt to revive the Nazis’ ideology. But the world exhibits a perilous failure to acknowledge the monstrous history of Communism. These documents should be translated. They should be housed in a reputable library, properly cataloged, and carefully assessed by scholars. Above all, they should be well-known to a public that seems to have forgotten what the Soviet Union was really about. If they contain what Stroilov and Bukovsky say—and all the evidence I’ve seen suggests that they do—this is the obligation of anyone who gives a damn about history, foreign policy, and the scores of millions dead.

Claire Berlinski, a contributing editor of City Journal, is an American journalist who lives in Istanbul. She is the author of There Is No Alternative: Why Margaret Thatcher Matters.

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html


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1 posted on 04/02/2011 9:26:47 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Clickable link -
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html

Long article but she writes so well it’s an easy read. Amazing stuff yet it’s wiki-leaks which gets the attention.


2 posted on 04/02/2011 9:28:50 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

Ask any kid. They think Gorbachev magnanimously decided to get rid of communism. Reagan, Thatcher, and the Pope’s efforts are forgotten except for those of us who lived through it and future conservative historians.


3 posted on 04/02/2011 9:32:08 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Will a hero rise in 2012?)
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To: bronxville
BTTT!

“For evidence of this indifference, consider the unread Soviet archives. Pavel Stroilov, a Russian exile in London, has on his computer 50,000 unpublished, untranslated, top-secret Kremlin documents, mostly dating from the close of the Cold War. He stole them in 2003 and fled Russia. Within living memory, they would have been worth millions to the CIA; they surely tell a story about Communism and its collapse that the world needs to know. Yet he can't get anyone to house them in a reputable library, publish them, or fund their translation. In fact, he can’t get anyone to take much interest in them at all.”

Unfreaking believable......

4 posted on 04/02/2011 9:35:17 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: bronxville

Oh, those wacky communists. They were just playing around. How can I be interested in this when Britney Spears is showing her most important part again.


5 posted on 04/02/2011 9:36:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: bronxville

“The world remains inexplicably indifferent and uncurious about the deadliest ideology in history.”

Not if you were raised in my family...Master Chief Duntno would have kicked your ass all over town if you said anything positive about a Democrat, a Democrat idea or even soccer ... “that communist sport that’s taking kids away from football and making them pansies.”


6 posted on 04/02/2011 9:40:32 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: MattinNJ

Yes, she had the college revisionist history professors after her on that and other non-specific points...link to her response...
http://www.city-journal.com/2010/eon0518cb.html


7 posted on 04/02/2011 9:42:47 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

memory hole bookmark.


8 posted on 04/02/2011 9:44:29 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: bronxville
Communism led just as inexorably... to starvation, torture, and slave-labor camps... the deaths of some 150 million human beings during the twentieth century.

And Democracy leads just as inexorably to Socialism and Communism. How about we go back to a Free Republic and step back from the edge of the Democratic cliff?

Just a thought we all here can relate to...

9 posted on 04/02/2011 9:46:18 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Chgogal; All

Nancy Pelosi: One of Mikhail Gorbachev’s most useful idiots
By Judi McLeod

Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Investigative journalists doing their jobs should dig deep—really deep—into Nancy Pelosi’s role in the controversial, $280-million, federal-funded Hunters Point Shipyard affair—in relation to her alleged role as an investor in a real estate investment entity called PRESIDIO PARTNERS....

...For Pelosi it’s a well trodden trail that goes all the way to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the Presidio’s most famous tenant.

“Among the unpublicized facts about Nancy Pelosi was that she was an investor in a real estate investment entity called PRESIDIO PARTNERS, which set up shortly after the Nixon Administration’s first closure of federal military bases around the US,”.

“Among the choicest real estate properties were (a) San Francisco’s Presidio Fort then the headquarters for the Sixth US Army (b) Treasure Island and Yreba Buena Island, the US Navy’s parcels in San Francisco Bay (c) The Hunter’s Point Naval Base, then biggest US Navy base between Seattle Washington Long Beach and San Diego California.”

Pelosi’s involvement in the disposal of federal military surplus land is matched only by Gorbachev, who as founder of Green Cross International (GCI) devised a mechanism for converting American military bases to civilian uses converting the bases over to “global centers for sustainability”. Gorbachev’s mission of converting American military bases to global centers for sustainability came just two years after he resigned as president of the Soviet Union on December 25, 1991.

CGI built on the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and supported the implementation of the summit’s Agenda 21.

Pelosi patiently shepherded Agenda 21 through Congress. On March 29, 1993 she introduced a joint resolution (H.J.RES166) to renew the call for the United States to “assume a strong leadership role in implementing Agenda 21 and other Summit agreements”, eventually gathering 67 co-sponsors for her bill, 32 of whom are still in Congress.

In a speech entitled “From Swords to Plowshares, delivered in the House of Representatives on June 4, 1992, Pelosi cheered the arrival of Gorbachev to the Presidio as a tenant.

“The National Park Service is actively seeking ideas for programs and tenants at this spectacular site. Last month, former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev visited the presidio to propose that the Gorbachev Foundation/use be located at the Presidio when the army leaves. In his words, “it is wonderful and symbolic that a military base is being converted for use by the people’.

“As the cold war ends,” Pelosi continued, “it is, indeed, fitting that this army garrison—one of the oldest in the United States—will be transformed to a monument to peace, environmental preservation and recreation as a global park.”

Less than a year after Pelosi’s fawning words, Gorbachev and his American pre-funded $3.5-million Gorbachev Foundation moved into new a white, shingled bayfront house at the historic Presidio overlooking the Golden Bridge...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/ans-cover-news111506.htm

I was thinking of doing a new “flashback” thread on this...


10 posted on 04/02/2011 9:56:26 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

This is awful. I once participated in a letter-writing campaign to get Vladimir Bukovsky out of a Soviet psychiatric internment; brilliant man, brilliant and brave beyond all telling; and now nobody gives a $#!+


11 posted on 04/02/2011 9:57:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: bronxville

bookmark


12 posted on 04/02/2011 9:59:19 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: bronxville

The Nazis killed @ 7 million.

Stalin killed 25 million and Mao killed over 80 million people.

Schicklgruber was a piker compared to those two.


13 posted on 04/02/2011 10:01:23 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I hope this gets some traction especially in light of world attention on wikileaks and I think I’ll post the vile Pelosi...Gorbachev deal story above because of the recent “eminent domain” story in the news. These people consider our property as their property...it has to stop.


14 posted on 04/02/2011 10:07:49 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: MattinNJ

nobody in his right mind would ask a kid about anything historic. Unless that kid is home schooled.


15 posted on 04/02/2011 10:08:36 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
The Nazis killed @ 7 million.

Double that.

He's still a piker, relatively, though.

16 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:06 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bronxville; PGalt; STARWISE; Cindy; LS; neverdem

Very interesting posts here for you to disseminate, should you wish to do so. LS, you may find this very interesting indeed. And Cindy, well you are the best archiver I know. Starwise and PGALT, long time no talk, but I thought you would like to see these posts. Finally, Neverdem just something for you to file where ever you like. TY,bronxville for posting this. It is quite astonishing.


17 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:31 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Noumenon

Ping.


18 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:44 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Yet they’re the two who gets a pass by the progressives.


19 posted on 04/02/2011 10:11:59 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: razorback-bert

bookmark


20 posted on 04/02/2011 10:12:39 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: bronxville
Directly to your Pelosie thread, a flashback would not be bad. That women, well never mind. I have no kind words for her.
21 posted on 04/02/2011 10:14:05 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: bronxville

I would think Hillsdale would be a logical candidate for such a library....but perhaps they want a better known/Ivy league university?


22 posted on 04/02/2011 10:14:28 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Chgogal

http://bigjournalism.com/mwalsh/2010/05/15/must-read-of-the-day-a-hidden-history-of-evil/#more-64810


23 posted on 04/02/2011 10:14:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: bronxville

These things only confirm for me that history can only be understood if viewed through a spiritual or religious lens.


24 posted on 04/02/2011 10:21:58 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: hosepipe
TY for the PING.

“Be sure to read the whole thing, then look around ask yourself: does anybody give a damn? Or did the bad guys win after all?”

Crap, we can't even get our Dear Leader to show his long form BC, much less give a damn about 150 million people killed off buy the Soviet Empire. Very distressful.

25 posted on 04/02/2011 10:22:19 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Chgogal; hosepipe
Whoops!

buy=by

26 posted on 04/02/2011 10:23:33 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Chgogal

Read about Steve Emerson’s discovery in 1992 of Jihadis among us in ‘American Jihad’, and what happened when he brought this information to the attention of the authorities.


27 posted on 04/02/2011 10:23:38 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj
I have the book, "American Jihad, The Terrorists Living Among Us.

Islam, the religion of piece (spelling intentional).

Two blocks from where I live, they have a welfare distribution center for Muslims entering this country. My (our) tax dollars at work. Grrrr.....do not get me started.

28 posted on 04/02/2011 10:29:51 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: bronxville

I’ve always been disgusted by the game our media liberals play, where they recognize that national socialists were pure evil but pretend that soviet socialists were any different at all. The problem is not Germany or the nationalist brand of socialism; the problem is socialism itself. The idea that the government should have the power to distribute wealth according to any ideology is the problem. I think those in the media know that, which is why they work so hard to hide the truth about their beloved Stalin. How could the voters trust Obama, Pelosi, or Hillary with the same power if they fully understood that power and a socialist ideology lead inevitably to the terrible outcome we saw under both brands of socialism in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s?


29 posted on 04/02/2011 10:30:07 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: DuncanWaring
Yes, I've read through this and its companion piece. The mere fact that so many of our intellectual elites have ignored, misrepresented or otherwise lied about, denied and excused the most monstrous crimes in recent history should fill us all with foreboding. Because they are the ones who have given sanction to these monsters; they are the ones whose sick Utopian fantasies of slaughter, slavery and dominance over every sphere of human thought and endeavor have animated the will-to-power driven monsters who killed millions. They are the ones whose ideas hang like tattered corpse-wrappings off the likes of scarecrows of horror and insanity like Cass Sunstein, Van Jones, andAnita Dunn. They are the ones who dream of millions of us dead and the rest of us as no more than cattle. Monsters. All of them. None of them are fit to live in a sane and humane world. None of them.
30 posted on 04/02/2011 10:31:04 AM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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To: bronxville

31 posted on 04/02/2011 10:31:25 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Chgogal
Civics is not taught in american schools anymore..
Few even know what socialism is.. let alone communism..
It appears america is morphing from socialism into fascism..
Another term americans are quite ignorant about..
32 posted on 04/02/2011 10:43:54 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: bronxville

I agree with the author. The world missed a golden opportunity when it declined to have Nuremburg-style trials for the communist leaders of eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.

There’s a good reason for that. The communists had, and still have, many collaborators in the West, and any trials would connect them together. There was a lot of collusion going on across the Iron Curtain.

And here we are.


33 posted on 04/02/2011 10:56:14 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: blueunicorn6

the main attitude is the belief that someone else will deal with it, that they themselves don’t have to anymore.


34 posted on 04/02/2011 10:57:04 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: bronxville

Almost all historians are revisionist but Ron Radosh is a typical neo-liberal/con, he blows both ways. He has defended McCarthy and others but when anything new about the useful idiots come along he starts to get nervous like all the rest of the lefty apparatchiks. Pajama Media and many other right sites tend to have a number of these types like that LaRaza jerk Ruben Navarrette. More info about this dustup here: http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/05/bukovsky-and-stroilov-weigh-in-on-dispute-between-berlinski-and-radosh/


35 posted on 04/02/2011 11:10:45 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: redpoll

There is no way they would they have Nuremburg-like trials of the Commies. They were our allies in WW2 remember? Between Roosevelt and Churchill, it was the former who enjoyed being an ally with Uncle Joe the most...sad to say, me being an American. Churchill, at least, had great reservations about it.


36 posted on 04/02/2011 11:15:45 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: Chgogal

Posted here...

Presidio Partners

Nancy Pelosi: One of Mikhail Gorbachev’s most useful idiots

By Judi McLeod

Wednesday, November 15, 2006
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2698742/posts?page=3


37 posted on 04/02/2011 11:22:14 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville
????????????????????????

What about this? Buried in plain sight in the article:

Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] BIDEN and [Senator Richard] LUGAR said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . .

38 posted on 04/02/2011 11:22:41 AM PDT by x
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To: iopscusa

Thanks for the info. Interesting - will read later.


39 posted on 04/02/2011 11:23:27 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: sasportas

Sad but true, brother.


40 posted on 04/02/2011 11:24:00 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: bronxville

Thanks for posting this. I picked up a book in a junk store titled “Stalin History of a Dictator” published in 1971. Lots of interesting stuff in there, especially about WW2.


41 posted on 04/02/2011 11:34:58 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604; x

And when you read on x it gets worse...

“Bukovsky’s book about the story that these documents tell, Jugement à Moscou, has been published in French, Russian, and a few other Slavic languages, but not in English. Random House bought the manuscript and, in Bukovsky’s words, tried “to force me to rewrite the whole book from the liberal left political perspective.” Bukovsky replied that “due to certain peculiarities of my biography I am allergic to political censorship.” The contract was canceled, the book was never published in English, and no other publisher has shown interest in it. Neither has anyone wanted to publish EUSSR, a pamphlet by Stroilov and Bukovsky about the Soviet roots of European integration. In 2004, a very small British publisher did print an abbreviated version of the pamphlet; it, too, passed unnoticed.”

You’re welcome Rusty. I have little trust in books after the 50s’ but jewels are to be found after that period.


42 posted on 04/02/2011 11:59:55 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

I’ve spent years debating my friends and relatives in Europe that we had a free press here, freedom of speech, liberty...but I was blind.


43 posted on 04/02/2011 12:02:28 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

The Germans* killed 7 million? I’d add another 43 million to that and you get the amount of people killed in WW2, which Hitler and the German people were directly responsible for. >>(* I refer to the ‘’Nazis’’ as ‘’Germans’’, which they were. The revisionists like to say “Nazis’’ as if the “Nazis’’ were something that fell out of the clouds into Germany one day.)


44 posted on 04/02/2011 12:12:38 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: bronxville

“This is what Gorbachev told the Politburo in 1989: “Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant change in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our aim is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.” (Italics CFP’s).

And disarming America is precisely what Gorbachev went on to successfully do.

It’s not as if if Gorbachev faded into the woodwork after his well celebrated arrival in America. To this day, he’s an active member of the Maurice Strong, George Soros triumvirate pulling the puppet strings of President Barack Obama.

No one eased the path for Gorbachev’s agenda to close federal military bases around the U.S. more than Nancy Pelosi.

“Pelosi’s involvement in the disposal of federal military surplus land is matched only by Gorbachev, who as founder of Green Cross International (GCI) devised a mechanism for converting American military bases to civilian uses converting the bases over to “global centers for sustainability.” (Canada Free Press, Nov. 15, 2006).

During her Presidio stint, it is alleged that she was an investor in a real estate investment called Presidio Partners.”
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nancy+pelosi+and+gorbachev&view=detail&id=D71045FE8369B01BE3AD3C803A00F59B895FC278&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR


45 posted on 04/02/2011 12:15:14 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: redpoll

I’m no fan of Pat Buchanan, but I think he was right about this. He said we should not have allied with Stalin in WW2, we should have let the two Socialist tyrants, Hitler and Stalin, bleed each other white fighting each other.

Both Churchill and Roosevelt, of course, thought they could not win without Stalin.


46 posted on 04/02/2011 1:34:12 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Chgogal; bronxville; hosepipe; iopscusa; All

Thanks very much for the ping; post/links; link; link; thread.

BUMP-TO-THE-TOP!


47 posted on 04/02/2011 2:05:40 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: bronxville
Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

I'll give you one guess.


48 posted on 04/02/2011 2:50:07 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: sasportas

Well, that’s a lot of retrospect there for Pat. Maybe he should write an alternate history. Too bad we can’t see history forward.


49 posted on 04/02/2011 7:16:46 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: bronxville

Thank you for the link. Quite interesting.


50 posted on 04/02/2011 7:31:31 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Will a hero rise in 2012?)
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