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A Hidden History of Evil
City Journal ^ | Spring 2010 | Claire Berlinski

Posted on 04/02/2011 9:26:44 AM PDT by bronxville

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1 posted on 04/02/2011 9:26:47 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Clickable link -
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html

Long article but she writes so well it’s an easy read. Amazing stuff yet it’s wiki-leaks which gets the attention.


2 posted on 04/02/2011 9:28:50 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

Ask any kid. They think Gorbachev magnanimously decided to get rid of communism. Reagan, Thatcher, and the Pope’s efforts are forgotten except for those of us who lived through it and future conservative historians.


3 posted on 04/02/2011 9:32:08 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Will a hero rise in 2012?)
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To: bronxville
BTTT!

“For evidence of this indifference, consider the unread Soviet archives. Pavel Stroilov, a Russian exile in London, has on his computer 50,000 unpublished, untranslated, top-secret Kremlin documents, mostly dating from the close of the Cold War. He stole them in 2003 and fled Russia. Within living memory, they would have been worth millions to the CIA; they surely tell a story about Communism and its collapse that the world needs to know. Yet he can't get anyone to house them in a reputable library, publish them, or fund their translation. In fact, he can’t get anyone to take much interest in them at all.”

Unfreaking believable......

4 posted on 04/02/2011 9:35:17 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: bronxville

Oh, those wacky communists. They were just playing around. How can I be interested in this when Britney Spears is showing her most important part again.


5 posted on 04/02/2011 9:36:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: bronxville

“The world remains inexplicably indifferent and uncurious about the deadliest ideology in history.”

Not if you were raised in my family...Master Chief Duntno would have kicked your ass all over town if you said anything positive about a Democrat, a Democrat idea or even soccer ... “that communist sport that’s taking kids away from football and making them pansies.”


6 posted on 04/02/2011 9:40:32 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: MattinNJ

Yes, she had the college revisionist history professors after her on that and other non-specific points...link to her response...
http://www.city-journal.com/2010/eon0518cb.html


7 posted on 04/02/2011 9:42:47 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

memory hole bookmark.


8 posted on 04/02/2011 9:44:29 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: bronxville
Communism led just as inexorably... to starvation, torture, and slave-labor camps... the deaths of some 150 million human beings during the twentieth century.

And Democracy leads just as inexorably to Socialism and Communism. How about we go back to a Free Republic and step back from the edge of the Democratic cliff?

Just a thought we all here can relate to...

9 posted on 04/02/2011 9:46:18 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Chgogal; All

Nancy Pelosi: One of Mikhail Gorbachev’s most useful idiots
By Judi McLeod

Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Investigative journalists doing their jobs should dig deep—really deep—into Nancy Pelosi’s role in the controversial, $280-million, federal-funded Hunters Point Shipyard affair—in relation to her alleged role as an investor in a real estate investment entity called PRESIDIO PARTNERS....

...For Pelosi it’s a well trodden trail that goes all the way to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the Presidio’s most famous tenant.

“Among the unpublicized facts about Nancy Pelosi was that she was an investor in a real estate investment entity called PRESIDIO PARTNERS, which set up shortly after the Nixon Administration’s first closure of federal military bases around the US,”.

“Among the choicest real estate properties were (a) San Francisco’s Presidio Fort then the headquarters for the Sixth US Army (b) Treasure Island and Yreba Buena Island, the US Navy’s parcels in San Francisco Bay (c) The Hunter’s Point Naval Base, then biggest US Navy base between Seattle Washington Long Beach and San Diego California.”

Pelosi’s involvement in the disposal of federal military surplus land is matched only by Gorbachev, who as founder of Green Cross International (GCI) devised a mechanism for converting American military bases to civilian uses converting the bases over to “global centers for sustainability”. Gorbachev’s mission of converting American military bases to global centers for sustainability came just two years after he resigned as president of the Soviet Union on December 25, 1991.

CGI built on the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and supported the implementation of the summit’s Agenda 21.

Pelosi patiently shepherded Agenda 21 through Congress. On March 29, 1993 she introduced a joint resolution (H.J.RES166) to renew the call for the United States to “assume a strong leadership role in implementing Agenda 21 and other Summit agreements”, eventually gathering 67 co-sponsors for her bill, 32 of whom are still in Congress.

In a speech entitled “From Swords to Plowshares, delivered in the House of Representatives on June 4, 1992, Pelosi cheered the arrival of Gorbachev to the Presidio as a tenant.

“The National Park Service is actively seeking ideas for programs and tenants at this spectacular site. Last month, former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev visited the presidio to propose that the Gorbachev Foundation/use be located at the Presidio when the army leaves. In his words, “it is wonderful and symbolic that a military base is being converted for use by the people’.

“As the cold war ends,” Pelosi continued, “it is, indeed, fitting that this army garrison—one of the oldest in the United States—will be transformed to a monument to peace, environmental preservation and recreation as a global park.”

Less than a year after Pelosi’s fawning words, Gorbachev and his American pre-funded $3.5-million Gorbachev Foundation moved into new a white, shingled bayfront house at the historic Presidio overlooking the Golden Bridge...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/ans-cover-news111506.htm

I was thinking of doing a new “flashback” thread on this...


10 posted on 04/02/2011 9:56:26 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

This is awful. I once participated in a letter-writing campaign to get Vladimir Bukovsky out of a Soviet psychiatric internment; brilliant man, brilliant and brave beyond all telling; and now nobody gives a $#!+


11 posted on 04/02/2011 9:57:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: bronxville

bookmark


12 posted on 04/02/2011 9:59:19 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: bronxville

The Nazis killed @ 7 million.

Stalin killed 25 million and Mao killed over 80 million people.

Schicklgruber was a piker compared to those two.


13 posted on 04/02/2011 10:01:23 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I hope this gets some traction especially in light of world attention on wikileaks and I think I’ll post the vile Pelosi...Gorbachev deal story above because of the recent “eminent domain” story in the news. These people consider our property as their property...it has to stop.


14 posted on 04/02/2011 10:07:49 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: MattinNJ

nobody in his right mind would ask a kid about anything historic. Unless that kid is home schooled.


15 posted on 04/02/2011 10:08:36 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
The Nazis killed @ 7 million.

Double that.

He's still a piker, relatively, though.

16 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:06 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bronxville; PGalt; STARWISE; Cindy; LS; neverdem

Very interesting posts here for you to disseminate, should you wish to do so. LS, you may find this very interesting indeed. And Cindy, well you are the best archiver I know. Starwise and PGALT, long time no talk, but I thought you would like to see these posts. Finally, Neverdem just something for you to file where ever you like. TY,bronxville for posting this. It is quite astonishing.


17 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:31 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Noumenon

Ping.


18 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:44 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Yet they’re the two who gets a pass by the progressives.


19 posted on 04/02/2011 10:11:59 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: razorback-bert

bookmark


20 posted on 04/02/2011 10:12:39 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: bronxville
Directly to your Pelosie thread, a flashback would not be bad. That women, well never mind. I have no kind words for her.
21 posted on 04/02/2011 10:14:05 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: bronxville

I would think Hillsdale would be a logical candidate for such a library....but perhaps they want a better known/Ivy league university?


22 posted on 04/02/2011 10:14:28 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Chgogal

http://bigjournalism.com/mwalsh/2010/05/15/must-read-of-the-day-a-hidden-history-of-evil/#more-64810


23 posted on 04/02/2011 10:14:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: bronxville

These things only confirm for me that history can only be understood if viewed through a spiritual or religious lens.


24 posted on 04/02/2011 10:21:58 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: hosepipe
TY for the PING.

“Be sure to read the whole thing, then look around ask yourself: does anybody give a damn? Or did the bad guys win after all?”

Crap, we can't even get our Dear Leader to show his long form BC, much less give a damn about 150 million people killed off buy the Soviet Empire. Very distressful.

25 posted on 04/02/2011 10:22:19 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Chgogal; hosepipe
Whoops!

buy=by

26 posted on 04/02/2011 10:23:33 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Chgogal

Read about Steve Emerson’s discovery in 1992 of Jihadis among us in ‘American Jihad’, and what happened when he brought this information to the attention of the authorities.


27 posted on 04/02/2011 10:23:38 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj
I have the book, "American Jihad, The Terrorists Living Among Us.

Islam, the religion of piece (spelling intentional).

Two blocks from where I live, they have a welfare distribution center for Muslims entering this country. My (our) tax dollars at work. Grrrr.....do not get me started.

28 posted on 04/02/2011 10:29:51 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: bronxville

I’ve always been disgusted by the game our media liberals play, where they recognize that national socialists were pure evil but pretend that soviet socialists were any different at all. The problem is not Germany or the nationalist brand of socialism; the problem is socialism itself. The idea that the government should have the power to distribute wealth according to any ideology is the problem. I think those in the media know that, which is why they work so hard to hide the truth about their beloved Stalin. How could the voters trust Obama, Pelosi, or Hillary with the same power if they fully understood that power and a socialist ideology lead inevitably to the terrible outcome we saw under both brands of socialism in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s?


29 posted on 04/02/2011 10:30:07 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: DuncanWaring
Yes, I've read through this and its companion piece. The mere fact that so many of our intellectual elites have ignored, misrepresented or otherwise lied about, denied and excused the most monstrous crimes in recent history should fill us all with foreboding. Because they are the ones who have given sanction to these monsters; they are the ones whose sick Utopian fantasies of slaughter, slavery and dominance over every sphere of human thought and endeavor have animated the will-to-power driven monsters who killed millions. They are the ones whose ideas hang like tattered corpse-wrappings off the likes of scarecrows of horror and insanity like Cass Sunstein, Van Jones, andAnita Dunn. They are the ones who dream of millions of us dead and the rest of us as no more than cattle. Monsters. All of them. None of them are fit to live in a sane and humane world. None of them.
30 posted on 04/02/2011 10:31:04 AM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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31 posted on 04/02/2011 10:31:25 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Chgogal
Civics is not taught in american schools anymore..
Few even know what socialism is.. let alone communism..
It appears america is morphing from socialism into fascism..
Another term americans are quite ignorant about..
32 posted on 04/02/2011 10:43:54 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: bronxville

I agree with the author. The world missed a golden opportunity when it declined to have Nuremburg-style trials for the communist leaders of eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.

There’s a good reason for that. The communists had, and still have, many collaborators in the West, and any trials would connect them together. There was a lot of collusion going on across the Iron Curtain.

And here we are.


33 posted on 04/02/2011 10:56:14 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: blueunicorn6

the main attitude is the belief that someone else will deal with it, that they themselves don’t have to anymore.


34 posted on 04/02/2011 10:57:04 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: bronxville

Almost all historians are revisionist but Ron Radosh is a typical neo-liberal/con, he blows both ways. He has defended McCarthy and others but when anything new about the useful idiots come along he starts to get nervous like all the rest of the lefty apparatchiks. Pajama Media and many other right sites tend to have a number of these types like that LaRaza jerk Ruben Navarrette. More info about this dustup here: http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/05/bukovsky-and-stroilov-weigh-in-on-dispute-between-berlinski-and-radosh/


35 posted on 04/02/2011 11:10:45 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: redpoll

There is no way they would they have Nuremburg-like trials of the Commies. They were our allies in WW2 remember? Between Roosevelt and Churchill, it was the former who enjoyed being an ally with Uncle Joe the most...sad to say, me being an American. Churchill, at least, had great reservations about it.


36 posted on 04/02/2011 11:15:45 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: Chgogal

Posted here...

Presidio Partners

Nancy Pelosi: One of Mikhail Gorbachev’s most useful idiots

By Judi McLeod

Wednesday, November 15, 2006
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2698742/posts?page=3


37 posted on 04/02/2011 11:22:14 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville
????????????????????????

What about this? Buried in plain sight in the article:

Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] BIDEN and [Senator Richard] LUGAR said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . .

38 posted on 04/02/2011 11:22:41 AM PDT by x
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To: iopscusa

Thanks for the info. Interesting - will read later.


39 posted on 04/02/2011 11:23:27 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: sasportas

Sad but true, brother.


40 posted on 04/02/2011 11:24:00 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: bronxville

Thanks for posting this. I picked up a book in a junk store titled “Stalin History of a Dictator” published in 1971. Lots of interesting stuff in there, especially about WW2.


41 posted on 04/02/2011 11:34:58 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604; x

And when you read on x it gets worse...

“Bukovsky’s book about the story that these documents tell, Jugement à Moscou, has been published in French, Russian, and a few other Slavic languages, but not in English. Random House bought the manuscript and, in Bukovsky’s words, tried “to force me to rewrite the whole book from the liberal left political perspective.” Bukovsky replied that “due to certain peculiarities of my biography I am allergic to political censorship.” The contract was canceled, the book was never published in English, and no other publisher has shown interest in it. Neither has anyone wanted to publish EUSSR, a pamphlet by Stroilov and Bukovsky about the Soviet roots of European integration. In 2004, a very small British publisher did print an abbreviated version of the pamphlet; it, too, passed unnoticed.”

You’re welcome Rusty. I have little trust in books after the 50s’ but jewels are to be found after that period.


42 posted on 04/02/2011 11:59:55 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

I’ve spent years debating my friends and relatives in Europe that we had a free press here, freedom of speech, liberty...but I was blind.


43 posted on 04/02/2011 12:02:28 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

The Germans* killed 7 million? I’d add another 43 million to that and you get the amount of people killed in WW2, which Hitler and the German people were directly responsible for. >>(* I refer to the ‘’Nazis’’ as ‘’Germans’’, which they were. The revisionists like to say “Nazis’’ as if the “Nazis’’ were something that fell out of the clouds into Germany one day.)


44 posted on 04/02/2011 12:12:38 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: bronxville

“This is what Gorbachev told the Politburo in 1989: “Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant change in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our aim is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.” (Italics CFP’s).

And disarming America is precisely what Gorbachev went on to successfully do.

It’s not as if if Gorbachev faded into the woodwork after his well celebrated arrival in America. To this day, he’s an active member of the Maurice Strong, George Soros triumvirate pulling the puppet strings of President Barack Obama.

No one eased the path for Gorbachev’s agenda to close federal military bases around the U.S. more than Nancy Pelosi.

“Pelosi’s involvement in the disposal of federal military surplus land is matched only by Gorbachev, who as founder of Green Cross International (GCI) devised a mechanism for converting American military bases to civilian uses converting the bases over to “global centers for sustainability.” (Canada Free Press, Nov. 15, 2006).

During her Presidio stint, it is alleged that she was an investor in a real estate investment called Presidio Partners.”
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nancy+pelosi+and+gorbachev&view=detail&id=D71045FE8369B01BE3AD3C803A00F59B895FC278&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR


45 posted on 04/02/2011 12:15:14 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: redpoll

I’m no fan of Pat Buchanan, but I think he was right about this. He said we should not have allied with Stalin in WW2, we should have let the two Socialist tyrants, Hitler and Stalin, bleed each other white fighting each other.

Both Churchill and Roosevelt, of course, thought they could not win without Stalin.


46 posted on 04/02/2011 1:34:12 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Chgogal; bronxville; hosepipe; iopscusa; All

Thanks very much for the ping; post/links; link; link; thread.

BUMP-TO-THE-TOP!


47 posted on 04/02/2011 2:05:40 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: bronxville
Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

I'll give you one guess.


48 posted on 04/02/2011 2:50:07 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: sasportas

Well, that’s a lot of retrospect there for Pat. Maybe he should write an alternate history. Too bad we can’t see history forward.


49 posted on 04/02/2011 7:16:46 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: bronxville

Thank you for the link. Quite interesting.


50 posted on 04/02/2011 7:31:31 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Will a hero rise in 2012?)
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