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Black And Blue 2: Blacks Flee Blue States in Droves
The American Interest ^ | March 27, 2011 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 04/02/2011 12:39:50 PM PDT by neverdem

Two milestones in the long, painful decline of the blue social model were reached this week and reported, of all places, in the pages of the very éminence grise of the monde bleu: the New York Times.

The first was a piece of national and historical news: The Census reported that waves of blue state blacks fled the stagnant job opportunities, high taxes and rotten social conditions of the mostly blue northern states to seek better lives for themselves in the south..

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Within those states, Chicago and the city of the New York (widely considered among the most successful cities in the country) are the places Blacks are deserting. 17 percent of the Black flight from Big Blue is from the Empire State; after almost a century of trailblazing social policy, New York State has succeeded in creating the most hostile environment for Blacks in the country...

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When whites leave failing blue cities and states, the pundits call this racism: all those white Californians fleeing Nancy Pelosi’s utopia for less ambitious jurisdictions where ordinary people can do things like get jobs and buy homes are clearly pathetic trailer trash hicks too dumb, too selfish and above all too racist to understand the gloriously multicultural blue beauty of California today.

So what are we going to call the young, educated Blacks making similar choices? Dumb cracker racists?

The failure of blue social policy to create an environment which works for Blacks is the most devastating possible indictment of the 20th century liberal enterprise in the United States. Helping Blacks achieve the kind of equality and opportunity long denied them was more than one of many justifications for blue social policy: it was the defining moral task that has challenged and shaped American liberalism for the last fifty years.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.the-american-interest.com ...


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To be forewarned is to be forearmed. The Southern GOP needs to increase the number of its registered voters, black and white.

Public education being such a dismal failure, I wonder how many blacks know that the man who freed the slaves was a Republican?

1 posted on 04/02/2011 12:39:51 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They will flee to more conservative states seeking jobs and lower taxes. Then they will vote in the scumbagged democrat leaders to redistribute the earnings of others.


2 posted on 04/02/2011 12:47:23 PM PDT by stockpirate (Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God!)
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To: neverdem
So what are we going to call the young, educated Blacks making similar choices?

Infiltrators.

3 posted on 04/02/2011 12:56:36 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: neverdem

I don’t intend this to sound racists, but as a resident of Illinois, if more of those who are dependent on government handouts and have no desire to take a job if it were offered to them leave the state, the better. It’s no secret that many came to places like Chicago because they could obtain better “benefits” there. This has been going on for decades, but now there isn’t enough money to pay the bills, and guess what? They’re leaving for other pastures - greener AND warmer.

I’m sure many of us would be happy to help them pack.


4 posted on 04/02/2011 12:59:31 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: neverdem

“Black And Blue 2: Blacks Flee Blue States in Droves”

C’mon over to the side of the Lord!


5 posted on 04/02/2011 1:07:28 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: neverdem
You do know that posts like this always result in perfunctory nay-saying, right?

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

6 posted on 04/02/2011 1:28:57 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: neverdem

Spare us the “public education” rant. This article has nothing to do with “public vs private” so let it rest.


7 posted on 04/02/2011 1:38:50 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: stockpirate

They have aquired a taste for government money due to the Great Society programs that Johnson inflicted upon them.Don’t expect them to change.


8 posted on 04/02/2011 1:39:46 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: neverdem
Over time, this is going to affect the balance of power in Black politics and pull the Democratic Party (and the national consensus) to the right.

I stopped reading at this precise point.

9 posted on 04/02/2011 1:52:31 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: neverdem

This is a rabble rousing piece if I ever saw one. Multiculturalism does not work. Americans should be Americans period! We seem to be receding from our goal of the ‘60’s to be one people, indivisible. There are political factors trying to splinter us into a widely divided country, which does not bode well of our future. The Left wants derision and division! Let the people of all colors wake up to what made our country the greatest in human history: Pride in the country in which we live,adherence to her laws, and a strong belief in the Judeo-Christian tradition upon which America was built.

I suggest for reading, “The Light and the Glory”, by Peter Marshall and David Manuel. It is imperative all Americans read the deeply researched and very readable and well written book.


10 posted on 04/02/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: neverdem

May I suggest that you do further research on Abe.

“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”…Abraham Lincoln.

During a speech to Charleston, Illinois in 1858, Lincoln said:

I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.


11 posted on 04/02/2011 1:54:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: neverdem

****The Census reported that waves of blue state blacks fled the stagnant job opportunities, high taxes and rotten social conditions of the mostly blue northern states to seek better lives for themselves in the south..****

How could anyone extrapolate this type of drama from data which spans a ten year period?

Did anyone see ‘waves of black people’ loading up trucks and racing down the interstates? Didn’t happen - not even in New Orleans. Individuals, black & white move for many reasons.


12 posted on 04/02/2011 2:01:49 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: onevoter
Spare us the “public education” rant. This article has nothing to do with “public vs private” so let it rest.

LOL! It had nothing to do with “public vs private” education in that sense. Public schools rarely teach important facts about American history which has been subsumed within their multicultural social studies curriculum. That being the case, the comment about who freed the slaves has relevance. It came right after an exhortation to register these fleeing from the north blacks in the GOP.

P.S. But since you brought it up, you can see the results for yourself usually each year when they give the results of American history tests on the news. They're are huge numbers who don't even know when the American Revolution or the Civil War happened.

13 posted on 04/02/2011 2:23:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Seaplaner
"Over time, this is going to affect the balance of power in Black politics and pull the Democratic Party (and the national consensus) to the right."

I stopped reading at this precise point.

May I ask why? What's wrong with that?

14 posted on 04/02/2011 2:30:04 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Paperdoll

Where does he advocate multiculturalism?


15 posted on 04/02/2011 2:32:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Of course, my FRiend. I do not see the Dem party being pulled to the right from this.


16 posted on 04/02/2011 2:33:27 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: neverdem
waves of blue state blacks fled the stagnant job opportunities, high taxes and rotten social conditions of the mostly blue northern states to seek better lives for themselves in the south..

The downside is they will vote for the same lying Democrat Hopey Changers once they get down here so that sooner or later the South will be a fetid swamp of big government Democrat corruption just like the cesspools they left.

17 posted on 04/02/2011 2:34:46 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: neverdem
They're are huge numbers who don't even know when the American Revolution or the Civil War happened.

There were some discouraging comments following a post on one of the icanhascheezburger.com affiliate sites. There was a post about an old Revolutionary War soldier who, though wounded severely, ended up dying of old age at 98. Some comments following the article expressed indignation at the fact that this individual had killed three British soldiers and they simply couldn't understand why he'd done that.

18 posted on 04/02/2011 2:35:50 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: neverdem

I said multiculturalism will not work in America. Every day we see illegal immigrants coming across our open borders, bringing with them their language and culture. Practically every set of directions includes the Spanish language. The Muslims are pushing hard for recognition and imposition of their religion and Sharia Law, both diametrically in opposition to American law, and the Christian religion. In fact the Christian religion is definitely not taught in the public schools, while foot baths are being allowed. You are only prejudiced if you are against anything but the Christian religion in America.
I know this is aside from the article, but the article brought these things to mind. I think it is great that blacks are moving to where they think they will find a better way of life. More power to them. Let us hope they will earn a viable living and improve their surroundings in a red state.


19 posted on 04/02/2011 2:55:21 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: stockpirate

bttt


20 posted on 04/02/2011 2:58:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Mears

bfl


21 posted on 04/02/2011 3:08:23 PM PDT by Mears
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To: B4Ranch
The Republican Party - GOP History

The Republican Party was born in the early 1850's by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge. The first informal meeting of the party took place in Ripon, Wisconsin, a small town northwest of Milwaukee. The first official Republican meeting took place on July 6th, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan. The name "Republican" was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party. At the Jackson convention, the new party adopted a platform and nominated candidates for office in Michigan.

In 1856, the Republicans became a national party when John C. Fremont was nominated for President under the slogan: "Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men, Fremont." Even though they were considered a "third party" because the Democrats and Whigs represented the two-party system at the time, Fremont received 33% of the vote. Four years later, Abraham Lincoln became the first Republican to win the White House.

The Civil War erupted in 1861 and lasted four grueling years. During the war, against the advice of his cabinet, Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves. The Republicans of their day worked to pass the Thirteenth Amendment, which outlawed slavery, the Fourteenth, which guaranteed equal protection under the laws, and the Fifteenth, which helped secure voting rights for African-Americans.

More at the link.


22 posted on 04/02/2011 3:15:21 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: sodpoodle
How could anyone extrapolate this type of drama from data which spans a ten year period?

I'm pretty sure this return to the south was noted before the 2000 Census. This 2010 Census follows the earlier trend.

23 posted on 04/02/2011 3:19:30 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Seaplaner
Of course, my FRiend. I do not see the Dem party being pulled to the right from this.

They will lose voting strength and congressional seats in the north. They will have to go back to their 2006 and 2008 models for winning seats in Congress running moderates and centrists. Did you ever ask yourself why there was no serious gun grabbing, cap & tax or immigration reform laws passed in the last Congress?

24 posted on 04/02/2011 3:27:10 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Paperdoll
Every day we see illegal immigrants coming across our open borders, bringing with them their language and culture. Practically every set of directions includes the Spanish language.

He said he was for very selective legal immigration with brains or the bucks to star a business and against illegal immigration.

25 posted on 04/02/2011 3:32:10 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

“I wonder how many blacks know that the man who freed the slaves was a Republican?”

I’d guess 10%. The history revisionists are already erasing the fact that the slavers were democrats and are now calling the slavers conservatives.

It’s way past time to confront the communist and fascist professors on their home ground. We could start by demanding that legislators clean out these Marxist cesspools. Either they do it or we do it our way.


26 posted on 04/02/2011 4:02:52 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: Paperdoll

“I suggest for reading, “The Light and the Glory”

Never heard of the book.

Can you give me a synopsis? Thanks.


27 posted on 04/02/2011 4:05:10 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: All

Gotta go where they puts something into the trough doncha know.


28 posted on 04/02/2011 4:15:17 PM PDT by Einherjar
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To: neverdem

“I wonder how many blacks know that the man who freed the slaves was a Republican?”
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None in my experience, I have asked quite a few to name Lincoln’s party and without exception the answer came back that he was a Democrat!


29 posted on 04/02/2011 4:46:06 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: stockpirate; P8riot; bigbob; rdb3; WKUHilltopper; onevoter; Farmer Dean; Seaplaner; Paperdoll; ...
They will flee to more conservative states seeking jobs and lower taxes. Then they will vote in the scumbagged democrat leaders to redistribute the earnings of others.

IMHO, I think that effect is overrated for a number of reasons:

Last November the GOP got 60% of the white vote for the first time in history. I doubt that they will get much less than that in the future. I think the rats may have lost a significant number of the "Jacksonian Democrats" for good.

These educated blacks "acted white" in school. There's much more reason to think they would vote like Thomas Sowell or the late Republican Martin Luther King Jr. than Jesse Jackson Jr.

If they are liberals, they will only have an effect in races that are close statewide races for governor or competitive districts and votes for referenda/initiates. Most Congressional and state legislative districts are gerrymandered, especially "majority" minority districts mandated from D.C. by the Voting Rights Act.

30 posted on 04/02/2011 5:53:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Last November the GOP got 60% of the white vote for the first time in history. I doubt that they will get much less than that in the future.

It's kind of lame that it's only 60% nationwide. In some southern states, it's 80%. If we could get 80% nationwide, or even 70%, the Democrats would become perennial also-rans.

31 posted on 04/02/2011 6:06:58 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: bigbob
…if more of those who are dependent on government handouts and have no desire to take a job if it were offered to them leave the state, the better.

Those are the ones who are staying. The educated, prosperous, hard working blacks who want to earn a better living the ones leaving and coming south to where they can keep more of their hard earned cash, buy a home at an affordable price, and not be forced to join a union......

32 posted on 04/02/2011 7:03:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 1,698 threads and 63,835 replies, as of 03-29-2011......)
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To: rdb3
wonderful...
33 posted on 04/02/2011 7:24:01 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: neverdem

They’re mostly former government employees taking their fat tax-payer funded pension checks and moving to states with lower taxes and cost of living. They’re not ideological refugees, i.e., they’ll still vote overwhelmingly for Demonrats. They’ll just screw up local voting patterns.

I’m increasingly in favor of internal passports. If one is ideologically diseased, one should be quarantined and forced to stay in the cancerous environment where they are so as not to infect innocents.


34 posted on 04/02/2011 7:35:02 PM PDT by x1stcav (Obama: The Mistake of '08.)
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To: neverdem

Libtard locusts move from devastated blue fields to richer red pastures.


35 posted on 04/02/2011 7:55:28 PM PDT by MCH
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To: neverdem

“...Take these broken wings and learn to fly
All your life you were only waiting for this moment to be free.”


36 posted on 04/02/2011 8:34:43 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: onevoter
Spare us the “public education” rant.

Then I'll take it up. The very idea of bricks and mortar schools should end, for the obsolete dinosaur that it is. We need to crush the life out of the stranglehold the left has over every American family by replacing its credentialing monopoly entirely with a competing system that can guarantee its instructional product. There is no point in saving over a hundred grand just to hand our precious children over to a corrupt, expensive, lazy bureaucracy brainwashing future citizens into entitlement and dependency.

37 posted on 04/02/2011 8:42:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: x1stcav
They’re mostly former government employees taking their fat tax-payer funded pension checks and moving to states with lower taxes and cost of living.

From what I included in my excerpts:

"So what are we going to call the young, educated Blacks making similar choices?"

I expect better from the fellow veterans of the 1st Cav.

38 posted on 04/02/2011 8:57:36 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: sergeantdave

Synopsis & reviews of “The Light and the Glory” are
here:

http://www.amazon.com/Light-Glory-Peter-Marshall-Manuel/dp/0800750543


39 posted on 04/02/2011 8:58:59 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (The Constitution is an instrument to protect 'We the People' from the government..)
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To: neverdem

Chicago Blacks are mostly fleeing to the the burbs, not out of state.


40 posted on 04/02/2011 9:01:06 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: neverdem
Black And Blue 2: Blacks Flee Blue States in Droves

...after helping destroy those states with their Democrat votes.
Yikes. And now they are migrating to red states to infect them with Democrat cancer?

Sorry.. I realize there are plenty of level-headed, smart, conservative blacks, but the overall numbers don't lie.

41 posted on 04/02/2011 9:09:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: neverdem

>>During the war, against the advice of his cabinet, Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves.<<

The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves in the North. It was for the Southern slaves only.

Keep reading, FRiend.


42 posted on 04/02/2011 9:37:43 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: Zhang Fei; Carry_Okie; Chode; Billthedrill; Arizona Carolyn; arizonarachel
It's kind of lame that it's only 60% nationwide. In some southern states, it's 80%. If we could get 80% nationwide, or even 70%, the Democrats would become perennial also-rans.

It's probably those higher numbers among white males. Single white females is where the GOP gets hurt.

I spent the evening trying to the article I thought I remembered seeing the fact that; "Last November the GOP got 60% of the white vote for the first time in history." I couldn't, but I found this National Journal article that agrees with the fact that the GOP got 60 % of the white vote for members of the House of Representatives.

Here's an interesting excerpt:

Much can change in two years—as Obama’s own post-2008 odyssey demonstrates. These results, however, could carry profound implications for 2012. They suggest that economic recovery alone may not solve the president’s problems with many of the white voters who stampeded toward the Republican Party last year. “It comes down to that those voters are very skeptical of the expansion of government,” says Colorado Republican Party Chairman Dick Wadhams, a veteran strategist. “The voters who went with Obama in 2008 did not know what they were going to get with that vote. Now that they’ve seen the health care bill, the stimulus bill, the bailout, the cap-and-trade proposal—issue after issue, they don’t like what they see.”

That resistance could, in turn, increase the pressure on Obama to accelerate the generation-long transformation of the Democratic electoral coalition that he pushed forward in 2008. With so much of the white electorate, especially working-class whites, dubious about the president’s direction, to win a second term he will likely need to increase turnout and improve his showing among the groups that keyed his 2008 victory—minorities, young people, and white-collar white voters, especially women. In 2012, Obama may be forced to build his Electoral College map more around swing states where those voters are plentiful (such as Colorado, North Carolina, and even Arizona) and less on predominantly blue-collar and white states such as Ohio and Indiana that he captured in 2008.

Colorado maybe, but NC where the GOP just took over the legislature and control redistricting, and AZ which was sued by the feds over their new illegal alien law that was approved by 70% of AZ voters. Good luck with that.

Assessing The Obama Coalition

This author says not only are the Jacksoians are gone, at least for the near to midterm, but that the rats had significant losses among working class whites and suburbia last November. Combined with his dismal performance as commander in chief, it looks like Obama is behind the 8 ball, IMHO.

43 posted on 04/02/2011 9:48:19 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Lancey Howard
...after helping destroy those states with their Democrat votes. Yikes. And now they are migrating to red states to infect them with Democrat cancer?

See comment# 30. IMHO, any damage will be minimal.

44 posted on 04/02/2011 9:54:23 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
This author says not only are the Jacksoians are gone, at least for the near to midterm, but that the rats had significant losses among working class whites and suburbia last November. Combined with his dismal performance as commander in chief, it looks like Obama is behind the 8 ball, IMHO.

But...but...the liberal intelligentsia claims that Zero has more "talent" in his little finger than the entire Republican field. That he's "unbeatable"...

Of course, the liberal intelligentsia is prone to reporting what they want to believe...

45 posted on 04/02/2011 9:58:18 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: B4Ranch
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves in the North. It was for the Southern slaves only.

The number of slaves in the north was minimal if not already abolished in the states of the North. The border states not in rebellion were problematic. Lincoln may have been many things, but he wasn't stupid.

Slavery In The Civil War Era

Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation of January 1863 was a masterful propaganda tactic, but in truth, it proclaimed free only those slaves outside the control of the Federal government--that is, only those in areas still controlled by the Confederacy. The legal end to slavery in the nation came in December 1865 when the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified, it declared: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

OK, the GOP wrote and passed that amendment.
46 posted on 04/02/2011 10:34:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: rdb3

One thing in this article is very true...

“To begin with, advocates for Blacks and the underclass have to understand that the interests of poor children have to be put ahead — way ahead — of the interests of teacher unions and school bureaucracies.”

I don’t care what color these kids are...it just doesn’t matter. They are part of the future of this country. I hope we don’t let them down.


47 posted on 04/03/2011 1:14:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Lancey Howard

I would think it would depend on which red states are receiving them.

If they are going to red states with a high percentage of conservative voters, then I believe the number of dems in blue states will be watered down, while the high conservative voter turnout in red states will be able to absorb their votes rather easily.

In my experience, most blue states are dominated by big cities, while the rural areas are conservative. I live in Oregon, and even though we are a blue state, if some liberal folks left Multnomah county, we would be a red state in the blink of an eye.


48 posted on 04/03/2011 1:26:37 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: neverdem

Where have I, in your eyes, come up deficient?


49 posted on 04/03/2011 5:25:52 AM PDT by x1stcav (Obama: The Mistake of '08.)
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To: neverdem; AnyStreetFL
To be forewarned is to be forearmed. The Southern GOP needs to increase the number of its registered voters, black and white.

You betcha! And the states that do, will make faster progress toward becoming red states!
50 posted on 04/03/2011 5:45:33 AM PDT by seekthetruth (My Dream Ticket For 2012: "Allen West / Scott Walker")
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