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Was Russian Arctic Sea ship deploying a static weapon to cause catastrophic zot?
Freerepublic | April 3 , 2011 | Kabud

Posted on 04/03/2011 1:15:53 AM PDT by Kabud



Summer of 2009

1) Hurricane Bill

2) big fire on La Palma Island

3) at the same time, same area, Russian subs and surface vessels were operating

4) Wonder of wonders, a Russian cargo ARCTIC SEA ship "disappears" after being fitted at the port of Murmansk.
MURMANSK,  in spite of massive multinational hi-tech search and chase operation.

5) eventually the cargo ship is suddenly "found" in the same area off the Cape Verde Islands, where the Russian subs had been operating.

6) same area is home to the Cumbre Vieja Shelf, undersea volcanoes

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbre_Vieja

and: http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~ward/papers/La_Palma_grl.pdf

and: http://www.maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/hazards/tsunami/jan05.htm

It is widely accepted among geologists that the Cumbre Vieja is THE ticking time bomb

capable of triggering a megatsunami that would likely wipe out the entire East Caost of the USA, and more.

If the Russians were behind the formation of Hurrican Bill (weather weapon hypothesis) and the fire on La Palma,

it would have provided them with a fantastic cover for their undersea/submarine operations in the area.

What was offloaded by that ship in the same area?

And why did Putin  receive the sailors returned to Russia with such conspicious celebration, praising them as such great patriots?

And don't forget the Kola Superdeep Borehole at Murmansk (the deepest ever(over 12 kilometers deep) drilled by Russians. Another one almost as deep: over 12 kilometers deep was drilled in January 2011 near Sakhalin Island, close to Japan)

 I can imagine they have some extremely esoteric equipment located. there

Convince me please that I am crazy.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bullcrap; conspiracy; cumbrevieja; earthquake; japan; moscow; paranoya; putin; russia; sionnsar; techtonic; tectonicweapon; threat; tsunami; victorkilo; whiskeytangofoxtrot; zot; zuluoscartango
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1 posted on 04/03/2011 1:16:00 AM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

The Russians are geniuses. Every “secret” weapon the have is far superior to our weapons. If they could only invent public weapons better than ours, they would rule the world.


2 posted on 04/03/2011 1:28:18 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Kabud

It seems like someone has quit medication. AGAIN.


3 posted on 04/03/2011 1:29:30 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Kabud

I’ll get back to you after I figure out how to drape this Tin Foil Chain Mail over muh body...


4 posted on 04/03/2011 1:31:13 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Kabud

After this post you need convincing? Really?


5 posted on 04/03/2011 1:32:16 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: Tread EZ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole

same was drilled in january 2011 near japan


6 posted on 04/03/2011 1:36:14 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: cunning_fish
The Kola Superdeep Borehole (Russian: Кольская сверхглубокая скважина) is the result of a scientific drilling project of the former USSR. The project attempted to drill as deep as possible into the Earth's crust. Drilling began on 24 May 1970 on the Kola Peninsula, using the Uralmash-4E, and later the Uralmash-15000 series drilling rig. A number of boreholes were drilled by branching from a central hole. The deepest, SG-3, reached 12,262 metres (40,230 ft) in 1989, and is the deepest hole ever drilled, and the deepest artificial point on the earth.[1] For two decades it was also the world's longest borehole, in terms of measured depth along the well bore, until surpassed in 2008 by 12,289 m (40,318 ft) long Al Shaheen oil well in Qatar, and in 2011 by 12,345 metres (40,502 ft) long Sakhalin-I Odoptu OP-11 Well (offshore the Russian island Sakhalin)
7 posted on 04/03/2011 1:37:33 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

“Kabud” means something like a whole keg of bud in 5 seconds??


8 posted on 04/03/2011 1:38:24 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Kabud

If you can find a photo of Putin stroking a white persian cat in his secret lair, I’ll buy what you’re selling.


9 posted on 04/03/2011 1:40:40 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Vendome

Disappearance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Arctic_Sea

Route of the Arctic Sea
The British Maritime and Coastguard Agency had the last known radio contact with the vessel as it was passing through the Strait of Dover on July 28.[17] Nothing extraordinary was detected during the communication, though authorities believe that the crew was coerced not to raise an alarm by the hijackers.[18] The ship continued to send the Automatic Identification System signals until July 30. A press-secretary of the Swedish Police Service confirmed that one of its investigators had a phone contact with a crew member on July 31, but refused to disclose its nature.[15] No communication occurred after that; the ship failed to come to Béjaïa on its scheduled arrival date, August 5.[13] The coastal tracking radars last picked up the ship’s signal near Brest, France; it was later reported being observed by a patrol aircraft near the Portuguese coast.[18] The vessel was never seen passing through the Strait of Gibraltar. A hijack alert was issued by Interpol on August 3.[17]

The Russian Navy dispatched ships of its Black Sea Fleet to search for the vessel; Portugal also conducted a similar operation.[18][19]

[edit]Discovery
On August 14 the ship was reportedly sighted off Cape Verde. The Russian ambassador to Cape Verde stated that a Russian frigate was heading to the area but that the detection had not been confirmed. Meanwhile an unnamed military official stated that the ship had indeed been found but that the location was being kept secret from the public for security reasons, without clarifying the statement further.[20]

The Defense Minister of Russia, Anatoliy Serdyukov, announced on August 17 that the ship had been found and seized off the Cape Verde Islands. All 15 crew members were said to be alive and well; they were transferred to the Ladnyy, a Krivak-class frigate, for questioning. At that time no additional details were given. Dmitry Rogozin, Russia’s ambassador to NATO mentioned to the press on August 17 that false information was deliberately supplied to the media in order to keep Russian plans secret.[21]

After the ship’s seizure the Malta Maritime Authority stated that the security committee—composed of Maltese, Finnish and Swedish authorities—were aware of the ship’s location at all times, but withheld the information to protect the crew.[22

The Arctic Sea was obviously carrying secret cargo of strategic value. And you are right to say that the Iranian connection looks like a smokescreen. For those who do not understand the Russian General Staff’s operational method, I will quote the words of former GRU Colonel Stanislav Lunev: “If you ever hear that Arab terrorists have attacked an American city with nuclear weapons, don’t believe it.” He said it would be Russian special forces commandos conducting the attack. I asked him what followed this initial nuclear terrorism phase, and he said, “After a period of weeks or months the Russian missiles will come [to finish the job].” Instead of making an elaborate explanation I will list a few concepts: (1) A decapitation attack to eliminate all those with the authority to launch nuclear retaliation strikes; (2) diversionary attacks to conceal the identity of the real attackers; (3) disarming attacks to eliminate remaining nuclear weapons.


10 posted on 04/03/2011 1:41:32 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

10x but no 10x. I knew it before but still unable to see any relevance with storms or tsunami.
BTW, US and Saudis both has boreholes almost as deep or deeper. Is it a conspiracy?:)


11 posted on 04/03/2011 1:44:25 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Kabud

There’s got to be a “mooring after”,

If we can hold onto the night.....


12 posted on 04/03/2011 1:48:46 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: cunning_fish

See my post above....

LOL


13 posted on 04/03/2011 1:50:50 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: cunning_fish

Well, tell me I am crazy.. But russian top politician, 5th from the top: 1.President, 2.Prime Minister, 3.Vice Prime
minister, 4.Speaker, 5vice speaker - he is saying this:

video is here

http://youtu.be/LeT0oge6Xjo

Zhirinovsky about the Japanese:

“And all 120 million will die, if you will ever demand the Kuriles from us!”

Meanwhile, Zhirinovsky has explanation for another, not less relevant
problem at this time - natural disasters in Japan.

Leader of the Liberal Democratic Party has found the answer to the
question about the reasons for earthquakes and tsunamis ..........in
the Kuril issue!

According to Zhirinovsky, the same fate befall on all who would enter
into any dispute with Russia.

“This tsunami is now in Japan. Was it Kuriles you wanted?”

You will have to dig in the wreckage and debris of your buildings.
And all of you 120 million will die, if you will ever demand the
Kuriles from us! So goes for the rest of the world. Everybody should
think about their future. About the future of everyone, you all should
start thinking .

You think now about selling your wine, Georgian wine, to Russia. And
you demand UN observers at the border.

Do you want the World to forget the word Georgiacompletely?

“It will be Russian-Turkish border instead” Saakashvili , you think about it!

And then there will be another tsunami. On the other side of the
planet, in the Caucasus. Thats all for you.”- Zhirinovsky said in an
interview with Georgian television Region TV.

According to the Russian leader of the Liberal Democrats, now in the
modern world, everything is decided by four capitals: the capital of a
united Europe in Brussels, Washington, Beijing and Moscow.

“Furthermore,

Washington has no future, this artificial state will collapse;

then the old Europe, that continent, which has no importance whatsoever;

China is on the verge of explosion;

and what remains is Russia possessing orbital launch capability:
space power.

With lots of money, resources, and new weapons, that no one knows
about them yet.

With them WE WILL DESTROY any part of the planet within 15 minutes.

Not an explosion, not a ray burst, not some kind of a laser, not a
lightning, no, but a quiet and peaceful weapon. Whole continents will
be put to sleep forever. And thats all


14 posted on 04/03/2011 1:51:42 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

>>>>The Arctic Sea was obviously carrying secret cargo of strategic value.<<<<<

Ever heard of a superpower souvereignity concept? America once had it too.
It means if some filthy pirates or militias or 3rd world dictator are capturing ship waving your flag and threatening your people you are sending military to teach them a lesson they won’t forget.
No matter is cargo valuable or not.


15 posted on 04/03/2011 1:52:39 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Hardraade

kabud means kabod google it.


16 posted on 04/03/2011 1:56:00 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Tread EZ

Russian have at least twice in numbers of nukes then we have
They also have 100s of thousands tonns of bio weapons. We have NONE. And chemical of course. We got none.
Dont forget that russians murdered more then half of their own population 1917-1953

You thin they will spare any American life if they get to it in a seismic or nuclear matter, does it it make ANY difference?

Do you realy think that there are ANY serious fighterls left around here, in USA at the matching level?

Think about people around You, imagine a nuclear blast and what follows

What are you going to do?

And if you are familiar with recent history you may also happen to know about russian grip on Europe through corrupting most of the political scene and natural gas weapon policies :
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/cartes/stocknucleaire
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/cartes/europeenergetique


17 posted on 04/03/2011 2:02:59 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: cunning_fish

Did you read about Arctic Sea story ?

by the way, it is worth reading, at least at the basic level


18 posted on 04/03/2011 2:04:42 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

It was Carl Rove firing up the hurricane machine.

I know this, because I saw the contrails left by the black helicopters delivering the evil genius to location.


19 posted on 04/03/2011 2:10:58 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: Vendome
i tend to think that moscow would use SEISMIC WEAPON if they can. but can they?

many geologists that i talked to or read their opinions recently think that Seismic weapon is in fact THERE but results are not guaranteed.

i dont get the science of it. I heard that russians use electromagnetic direct `weapon` or something like that, may be analog to HAARP

I hate it that i cant get any understanding on how this works : every day we tolerate existence of `moscow` regime  will bring thousands of deaths.


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to my knowledge there are only several countries that have that capability. nikola tesla said that he could split planet earth in two like an apple.

the sign would be visible in the sky beforehand. from what i could see, it was. did you see the sky over japan before the earthquake struck? did you see the clouds?

getting a scientific explanation that you can accept is not going to be easy. it's not as though this technology is common knowledge.
so you can't go public with claims, or you'll be discredited.


the real question is whether or not the russians possess such tech capabilities with it.

for example, with katrina you could see that the eye of the original hurricane was dragged: the natural hurricane formed at sea was
driven and amplified. could i claim this publically? only were my credibility of no consequence.


it sounds crazy. and conventional scientists will have a good laugh.

the physics behind the claim would raise eyebrows, because it's based on a different understanding of the laws of thermodynamics than that taught in universities.

the best argument AGAINST any govt using this type of (theoretical) doomsday weaponry would be its unpredictability. they would be playing a game of chance with their own nation's welfare. you could be fairly certain, for example, that hitting japan would send the seismic activity over to the usa, but what if it shifted tectonic plates in your own direction? they would need to have achieved a great deal of confidence in their abilities.

this video CLAIMS to have been shot just before the earthquake in japan. true or false?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH28FXLc5Us
 


the only thing i can say is that is does look like japan. but is the video real? and what is its true date? i don't know.

nevermind the haarp accusation and just look at the cloud formations.

haarp activity DID spike in the days leading up to the earthquake.

but for all we know it was perhaps an effort to counter russian weaponry?

20 posted on 04/03/2011 2:12:27 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

K-141 Kursk is on a secret mission too.


21 posted on 04/03/2011 2:18:18 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: mmercier

I wish with all my heart that my suggestion would prove to be a joke

Imagine someone telling you on September 10 2001:

“tomorrow 2 planes will hit WTC and another one will hit Pentagon

those will be passenger airliners”

Did you learn something from 9-11?

what is it you learned?


22 posted on 04/03/2011 2:18:37 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: NoLibZone

any links on Kursk?

proves? rational?

anything?


23 posted on 04/03/2011 2:19:41 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Natufian

you see, if you relatives and compatriots were murdered in tens of millions by russians as were mine in Ukraine

You would not be joking this way

How old are You by the way?


24 posted on 04/03/2011 2:21:35 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

What are you going to do...?

Read a book or three; and learn how to spell check.

Sorry, but I had to do it.

The Great Reckoning

War Day

State of Fear


25 posted on 04/03/2011 2:22:21 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: Kabud
kabud means kabod google it.

I'm afraid to. What if I'm hit with a googleplex?

26 posted on 04/03/2011 2:22:31 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Tread EZ

they managed to be the first in space exploration, which only meant they got ICBM first. I was educated as an engineer in some aspect of the rocket technology, so i know what i am talking about here.

Also they were first with the hydrogen bomb - Sakharov design the bomb that put under water half of the island in the size of Long Island here in NY

You people amaze me.

You got any Honor left in this country or it all tuned into a bad joke?

Your idiotic government in 1933 recognized the murderes in Moscow to be legit, same year they murdered at least 5 million Ukrainians.

Dont even think that this will never backfire in a very evil way on you.

Stupid die first.


27 posted on 04/03/2011 2:28:32 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Hardraade

again: google.com

simple as that.


28 posted on 04/03/2011 2:29:17 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Hardraade

http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Sermons/newpage15.htm


29 posted on 04/03/2011 2:33:44 AM PDT by Kabud ( God Bless USA)
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To: Kabud

Lol. Lotsa kabuds :)). Serge Kabud seem to be prominent among them, but does it mean something? Something rational, that is??

Get yourself a pot of coffee. It’s calming.


30 posted on 04/03/2011 2:35:32 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Kabud
I have learned that people can not manipulate the planet, short of detonating our nuclear arsenal. Even this would be a natural thing, as man is natural to the planet. We derive a sort of pattern recognition explanation to reconcile within our minds phenom that escapes the bounds of human control. We need to understand, and where understanding is not possible... We come up with something.

Presently everything is in a state of transition; even the individual human brain.

If you really want to lose it, do some google research on the magnetic field shifts. Then you can be like one of those sparrows crashing into the ground, or a frigging beached wale.

The entire planet and everything on it is in a presently accelerated rate of natural change. The desire to believe someone is behind this is simply a desire to hope there is a human control mechanism.

The truth is scarier.

There is no control. We are fleas living on a bitch who shall do what she chooses with or without our participation.

31 posted on 04/03/2011 2:45:57 AM PDT by mmercier (It has always been such)
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To: Kabud

“Not an explosion, not a ray burst, not some kind of a laser, not a
lightning, no, but a quiet and peaceful weapon. Whole continents will
be put to sleep forever. And thats all.”

“What is the Neutron Bomb? It is an extremely effective, though radical, atomic weapon. Rather than killing by bomb blast, heat greater than the surface of the Sun, and radiation, the neutron bomb kills by irradiating the area of detonation with untold trillions of neutrons that kill all humans and animals, but leave all buildings and vehicles intact. This bomb also releases very little radiation, so the area formerly inhabited by living people can be immediately occupied by the armed forces of the country which set off the neutron bomb.”

Zhirinovsky pretty much spelled it out without saying it.


32 posted on 04/03/2011 3:16:09 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Kabud

I’m headed to a gun show this morning to buy some ammo. Gotta stock up, even more.


33 posted on 04/03/2011 3:31:54 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: mmercier; Kabud

and meanwhile the poles are shifting;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABzMcckWSuw


34 posted on 04/03/2011 4:00:28 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Kabud

In 2004 just before the Indian Ocean Christmas tsunami Russia claimed to have created a powerful new weapon. But I wonder if it would take only a conventional nuke detonated underwater to create a tsunami. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami — And then NOAA too would be complicit in faking the earthquake readings. Maybe we’re all just dust in the wind dude ... Socrates


35 posted on 04/03/2011 4:41:11 AM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs (Gov The People, Buy The People, Bore The People.)
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To: Kabud

Oh, here comes the flood
We’ll say goodbye to flesh and blood
In the end if any make it, if any still alive
It’ll be those who gave their island to survive
Drink up dreamers, you’re running dry...


36 posted on 04/03/2011 4:52:30 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Kabud

Reference the Glomar Explorer.
Anything is possible.
And I would not put anything beyond Puttie Putin.

Now as to whether or not you B crazy?
Would need more info to accurately determine this.
But you seem well informed.


37 posted on 04/03/2011 5:19:58 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Kabud
Do you realy think that there are ANY serious fighterls left around here, in USA at the matching level?

Our fighters are the best in the world. We have defeated the best of Russian weapons and tactics consistantly. So have the Israelis.

The Russians (soviets) have always relied on quantity over quality.

38 posted on 04/03/2011 5:29:45 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Tread EZ
Well, up until our government sold out to commies and jihadists, secret weapons actually were kept secret.

If you recall, the original stealth design was developed in secret for decades. Then, the government still denied the existence of production stealth aircraft (f-117) for nearly 10 years once chatter was “leaked”.

The F-117 was only revealed during the collapse of the USSR, when it was foolishly believed the US would have no more real enemies.

I'm not saying they have Tsunami weapons. But the reality of black projects is often beyond fiction and the Russians are not as stupid with information as we often seem to be.

39 posted on 04/03/2011 5:47:45 AM PDT by varyouga ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Kabud; 50mm; TheOldLady; Darksheare; darkwing104; Allegra

Well, when I first saw this thread it read:

Was Russian Arctic Sea ship deploying a static weapon to cause catastrophic tsunami?

But after I clicked on it, the title had changed to:

Was Russian Arctic Sea ship deploying a static weapon to cause catastrophic zot?

Sho nuff, you got the ZOT!!


40 posted on 04/03/2011 5:49:24 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: Tread EZ

What one has to remember is that the Soviets (the Russians) put their country’s resources into government projects, not consumer related projects. Consequently, they are good in basic research (which is not a money maker in the US or the west in general) They are also interested in geophysical projects because they have hollible weather over most of their region. As a reminder, take a look at the AK-47 produced by these “loosers” or their small nuclear power generators (or suitcase sized neclear weapons) Recall that the Soviets used nuclear powered satellites while we used fuel cells and batteries.


41 posted on 04/03/2011 6:06:21 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: varyouga
The F-117 was only revealed during the collapse of the USSR, when it was foolishly believed the US would have no more real enemies.

This is incorrect. All "black" projects become public eventually. You don't know what is "black" now because it is still secret.

The USSR, now Russia, have never been known for high quality munitions. They had effective technology as long as they didn't care about the user dying. If they had the same concern about their personnel that we did, we would have been first in space.

42 posted on 04/03/2011 6:11:28 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Kabud; Arrowhead1952; 50mm; Darksheare; darkwing104; Allegra; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv
Kabud, Kabod, Kaboom! (Who among you didn't see that coming?)

ZOT!


43 posted on 04/03/2011 6:14:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
take a look at the AK-47 produced by these “loosers” or their small nuclear power generators (or suitcase sized neclear weapons) Recall that the Soviets used nuclear powered satellites while we used fuel cells and batteries.

The AK47 concept was stolen from the Germans. Their miniature nuke designs were stolen from us. We had nuclear power before they did but do not use it to power spacecraft because of the danger of radiation in the event of a failure.

44 posted on 04/03/2011 6:16:12 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Kabud; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
Oh my! Kabud is Kaput!

To be added or removed from the VK/ZOT ping list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

45 posted on 04/03/2011 6:33:51 AM PDT by 50mm ( I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Kabud
Convince me please that I am crazy.
Okay. You're crazy.

ta-ta...

Zot!!

46 posted on 04/03/2011 6:44:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Kabud; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 50mm; Viking2002; Daffynition
When I was a kid in my backyard, I dug a hole to CHINA!!!!

ZOT!!!


47 posted on 04/03/2011 6:46:07 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

While I would never ever underestimate the Russians, or the evil in their past, I do think they are NOT the Soviet Union.
And in addition, Zhirinovsky is a nut. He is the one who wanted the whole of the former Soviet Union back along with Alaska.

I don’t think so.


48 posted on 04/03/2011 6:52:46 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Kabud

Opulent weather machines and earthquake bombs, (and mini giraffes); I has it.
49 posted on 04/03/2011 7:03:06 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Kabud
Convince me please that I am crazy.
Read this post. If this doesn't convince you that you are crazy, nothing will.
50 posted on 04/03/2011 7:06:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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