Posted on 04/03/2011 7:21:25 AM PDT by Lakeshark
There are much more scholarly approaches to this topic in the writings of Peter Gay and Marvin Antelman. Just remember: simply because a particular group has ambitions does not make them in any way determinative or fixed. There is a lot of variation within these movements. Further, there are important groups that go relatively unmentioned in these sophomoric theses, particularly the Sabbateans. CEM may have done some good in popularizing the information, but it loses credibility in the process.
First of all: STOP the whimpering over the left wing media and get together and build a Right wing counter media. We got lots of people here who can fund and report for a national newspaper—or even several local state newspapers. We have money enough to start a paper.
Second-—How about more Rightwing cable channels? I would subscribe. Good, decent programing with honest news! The Channel could be called the Tea Party Channel.
We are Americans—we don’t have to take it. If we are mad enough we will get together and do it. Other wise—they win. If we are too lazy to get up and do it we deserve the Pravda USA pablum the is spewed to us each day.
No, but it sure tells me how you jump to conclusions way too easily. Do I need to read Dan Brown's work to know that it is recycled Gnosticism? No. Do I need to understand Helen Blavatsky's influence on Alice Bailey, the Huxleys, or the founding of the UN? No. Do I need to have read all 200 of Manley Hall's books? No. None of those sources will tell me what I want to know.
I've been watching this body of material develop for over fifteen years, so you underestimate my knowledge of the players. I've known Stan Monteith, for instance, for well over a decade. I prefer scholarly resources to this kind of popular media. I find spooky music and threatening associations with minimal source documentation a waste of time, whether accurate or not. I just won't waste my time on it.
There are more important things I'm working on that do much to reveal what was lost over 3,000 years ago, not of the Atlantean wet dream, but what the Lord taught us to maintain our freedom against such elitist machinations.
The propaganda and Pavlov conditioning of the students started when the very **first** modern government schools opened in the mid-1800s to early 1900s.
Also...The 19th century idealists who lobbied so hard for compulsory socialist and collectivist managed schooling were **progressives** who were greatly influenced by 18th and 19th century Prussian philosophy. Progressives have **always** controlled curriculum development and teacher training. That Dewey finally came along was **inevitable**.
From the very first minute these modern government schools were **socialist** funded by threat of police action against the citizens, therefore the children who attended learned be comfortable with government power to take money from their neighbors.
From the very first minute these modern government schools were managed by the collective voting mobs ( misnamed “school boards”). The children learned to be comfortable with the collective dictating to them “correct thinking”, management of their daily routines, and, now with Death Panels, even how they die.
While the effects of the earliest government schools ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) were mitigated by the basic patriotism and Christianity of their teachers, with each generation of teachers this patriotism and Judeo Christian influence faded.
Simply by being forced to attend these government schools the children learned to be comfortable with government compulsion.
From the very first minute the children in these socialist government schools were taught a generic and lukewarm Protestantism. We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth! The goal and plan of these 19th century progressives was to push, push, push for more and more godless secularism. They were largely successful by my grandmother's day ( born 1894). She attended godless government schools with a sprinkle of prayer in the morning.
Woodrow Wilson, the IRS, the federal reserve, direct election of Senators, feminism, unions, the failed League of Nations, usurpation of large tracts of land for federal parks, and FDR and his New Deal were INEVITABLE!
Not hard to find out where the faculty and university administration live either. Really not hard to find out where any of the cockroaches live, for someone who wants to do “whatever I can”.
SEIU thugs show up and terrorize the family of a bank executive, and face no consequences. New Black Panthers intimidate White voters, and the Justice Dept squashes the case. LEO Unions send extortion letters to businesses, and nothing happens, and Fox doesn’t ever report it for two weeks, and then only briefly and in inaccurately couched terms.
Do “whatever I can” legally if you want, do it otherwise if you want. Just quite venting on FR as a substitute for doing “whatever I can.” There’s a thousand useful things you can do - posting such a statement here isn’t one of them. That’s all I’m saying.
Two thoughts on your post:
1) I am **SICK** of Fox News! I pray for the day that there is a truly conservative, 24 hour, Internet, news broadcast. It would sink Fox’s rating like the Titanic.
2) It is time to STOP having marches in Washington, D.C. They are **always** ignored by the media. It is time to march directly in front of the headquarters of the news networks and in front of the homes of these news executives. Didn’t we learn anything from the fall of the Berlin Wall? The **first** sites secured were the broadcast stations and towers. Those behind the Iron Curtain understood the urgency of getting the message to the public.
For example,....Year after year the March for Life brings out a million or more marchers and year after year the networks ignore it. If the TEA Parties and March of Life would march down the streets and neighborhoods of these network executives, and directly before the front doors of their news stations, they wouldn’t be so likely to ignore them.
Thanks for your reply.
I agree. However - not to be a jerk about it - but what will you do, personally, to start such a news service, or to spearhead the organization of such marches? It seems to me the libs are effective because they get in there and get things done. They put their beliefs into action. We sit around and post on FR. I’m as guilty as you and everyone else, but at least I have done my homework, and know what can be done when the time is right, and how to do it, and that I will do it.
Where did you get the idea that I thought it was useless? It's just not for me.
As for Dr. Monteith et. al say what you want to about them...however...the nation and the world has come to the place they have long warned about...
I've been interviewed on his show. He seemed to be more concerned with showing how knowledgeable he was than letting me tell him what my first book was about. Frankly, he was wrong on a number of points.
He lacks caution with his prognostications. For example, he blew it big-time with Y-2K.
True...you can say that propaganda and indoctrination was done to every single child since the beginning of time, even by tribes. But I am referring to the intentional inculcation of beliefs into children that are a complete contradiction to the thinking of the fixed beliefs of the parents who were mostly Christian. They had no idea about the intentional psychological methodologies that were put into curricula which changed the Christian paradigm to the Postmodern/atheist/secular—relativist ideas....where parents would have been outraged that adults were teaching their children that there is no right and wrong.
Local schools fired and hired teachers they didn’t like or felt they weren’t doing their job in the 1800
s. Many kids hardly attended schools. Mark Twain quit when he was 13 which wasn’t uncommon. The central government (no DOE) had little control over schools and teachers education and certification until teacher indoctrination started in earnest and became mandatory for certification. The idea of forced schooling....truancy was no longer tolerated with the advent of Dewey. Prior to that, according to many sources, plus Gato...children skipped school if they hated the teachers and parents really didn’t mind....they had them help on the farm or whatever. Bibles were used as textbooks at some public schools.
The schools were still using McGuffey Readers in the early 1900’s in America. They taught moral absolutes. “God made all things.””We give thanks to the Lord”...type of paragraphs. There is good and evil. I have a set of the ones printed in 1910 and although the later McGuffey Readers were watered down from their really heavy Christian content after 80 years of use...they still taught moral absolutes and a Christian outlook.
It was Dewey who created the Prussian style school system here and created forced schooling for a younger age (more “plastic minds”—easier to change their “fixed beliefs”) and he made sure the text books taught only Progressive ideas—every thing was in flux—the evolutionary philosophy and the materialism of Marx. He threw out the moral absolutes and inserted moral relativism. World view was drastically changed. God to Man in one generation.....Buckley wrote about the collectivism and atheism in the textbooks in his book in 1951-God and Man at Yale. The elite universities were all infected by the Postmodern philosophy by then...Bloom writes about this in his book, Closing of the American Mind.
Granted, those ideas started with the Enlightenment but the later, more destructive Postmodern German Philosophy took a little time to get over from Europe and get established in the uncoordinated system that America had.....unlike what happened on the Continent. Weimar Republic was the result of this Postmodern German Philosophy which created the relativistic nihilism in the 1920’s in Germany. Sure, some seeped over here but it was watered down to a large extent and the Great Depression swung our population back into the pews of Christian churches.
Pavlov didn’t start his experiments until the 1890’s and his ideas did not really become widespread until after Lenin made them popular in Russia.
What I wish to stress, and that most Freepers fail to understand, is that modern government schooling was:
** Socialist and collectivist managed by the voting mob ( school boards) from the very first day in the mid-1800s to early 1900s. Simply by attending children become comfortable with socialism and collectivist voting mobs. It is **amazing** how many Freeper think this can be reformed. ( Unbelievable!)
** From the very beginning modern government schooling had to be generic and lukewarm in its Protestant religious worldview. It had to be to accommodate and not offend diverse voting public. Simply by attending children will tend to lose allegiance to their family's specific belief and tend to adopt a more relative “all” Protestant religions are fine approach. It was a short step to accepting all religions are Ok and moving to a global moral relativism. By the way, we know what Christ does with the generic and lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!
It is again amazing to see Freepers post that if they just had scripture reading and prayer in the morning and Christmas carols that somehow the fundamental problem of government schooling would be fixed.
Another concept that many conservatives fail to understand that **all** education of children is **NEVER** religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. By definition, government schools establish and favor one religious worldview over another. Fundamentally ALL government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination. This can NOT be fixed.
All of the above was a problem the very first day modern government schools opened, and continue to be a problem today. I am often very distressed to see how few conservatives grasp these fundamentals and persist in the vain effort of attempting to reform their child's government school.
True. People do not understand that the first seven years of life are crucial to worldview formation (as all Jesuits used to say) and they should NEVER allow strangers, whose worldview conflict with theirs, to have access to their children’s minds. Even after, you should know who designed the curricula—Eakman’s book, The Cloning of the American Mind lets you know what cr*p was put into the textbooks. You would burn them after you read her book and would NEVER allow the contamination of your child’s mind with those hideous ideas of the Progressives.....it is nihilism and the Culture of Death.
Finland scores highest in math and science and their children don’t start school until age seven. No children should start earlier than that. Parents need to model behavior and work with their children in tiny groups prior to that. All studies point to higher achievement with one on one teaching with children below seven. They become more secure, better self=esteem and are not as anti-social as children who are put into day cares or “pre-schools”. That is because they are emulating adult behavior and speech, not two or three year old vocabulary and actions. People thinking this social conditioning is “good” have fallen for the Big Lie of Marx. Lenin invented day care to control the thinking of young children and destroy loyalty to families.
After the age of reason....the one room school house was superior to large group of one age which is more conducive to conditioning children into group think. This Prussian design is set up to make those children who think outside the box humiliated and set apart which makes them so uncomfortable they will change their attitudes and values. The psychology that is instilled into public school curricula is outrageous and only allows one worldview to be formed no matter what kind of household the child comes from—that is the secular humanist worldview.
I would burn all government approved textbooks. They are imbedded with moral relativism. It is almost impossible to avoid it—the sophisticated psychology of Ayers’ and Marcuse-type minds is so entrenched. it is even in all the math and science textbooks.
Yes, it is hard to educate your own children—but really not that hard. I had my children reading before school. Society has so watered down curricula now....even in the Catholic schools...it is getting pretty pathetic. Parents have to take control again of their children’s education. Use friends and relatives and it can be fun! Most of the brilliant thinkers in Western Civilization went to NO schools prior to age 7 and even then many were self-taught or tutored. Many like Franklin, Twain, Lincoln, etc. etc. have very few years of “school” and then it always had them memorizing the ten commandments.
My own children were homeschooled.
Homeschooling is the most natural and healthiest way to rear children to successful and emotionally secure adulthood.
My children spent about 2 hours a day in formal studies. The rest of the day they played. Gradually their play transformed into adult studies, work, and hobbies. By the age of 13, 12, and 13, they were enrolled in college. By the age of 15 they had completed all college general courses and Calculus III. The two younger earned B.S. degrees in mathematics by the age of 18.
The oldest was equally successful in his day-time work and attended college part-time at night. He will earn a masters in accounting soon at an age typical for those who attended government schools. He is fluent in Russian since he lived in Eastern Europe while working for our church.
Families like yours will be the salvation of Western Civilization. Just read Whittaker Chamber’s essay on St. Benedict. Knowledge and education are vital to the survival of any country. Our public schools have destroyed it.
http://www.cin.org/saints/benedictchambers.html
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