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A Sequence of 12 Logical Facts that could Save America!
PeaceMakers Institute ^ | April 3, 2011 | Rev. Cary K. Gordon

Posted on 04/03/2011 2:54:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

1) Divine laws exist that men did NOT make, and these “natural laws” are good.

2) Government is limited by the REALITY of natural laws.

3) Laws exist that men DID make, and these “human laws” are often bad because they deny the REALITY of natural and Divine law.

4) Law is the material necessary for the construction of a human conscience, and every human being has a conscience built with either good or bad law.

5) Government cannot save the human soul, but can encourage either its redemption or damnation, therefore, it must also be restrained by the Divine influence of conscience in order to limit the potential damages within its grasp and capability.

6) A conscience built upon good law acknowledges reality and thereby fosters the liberty produced by limited government.

7) A conscience built upon bad law denies reality and thereby fosters the tyranny produced by unlimited government.

8) America was founded by followers of the only religion in the world that exclusively recognized the absolute, non-optional REALITY that government was (and is) limited: Christianity. This is why America must remain a “religion-sanctioned state” as intended by the founders, and refuse both the “state-sanctioned religion” and “secular-humanist state” they rejected.

9) Christianity is as necessary for the maintenance of limited government, as it is incompatible with unlimited government.

10) Secular humanism is the enemy of limited government, and remains incompatible with authentic Christianity.

11) The most powerful way to limit government is to chain… to codify man-created laws to the laws men did not make.

12) A secular-humanist version of conservatism (like libertarianism) denies reality, by refusing to promote the laws necessary for the construction of a human conscience, and, therefore, produces no more lasting liberty than overt liberalism. (See points #4 and #5 above).

 

 


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: gordon; law; naturallaw
I don't have enough superlatives in my vocabulary to describe how GREAT this is!
1 posted on 04/03/2011 2:54:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

So brief, yet so deep.


2 posted on 04/03/2011 3:00:53 PM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Shot version of # 8
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
3 posted on 04/03/2011 3:01:34 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: SpringtoLiberty; Springfield Reformer; wagglebee; Gelato; Steve Schulin; Taxman; MountainFlower; ...

Amen!


4 posted on 04/03/2011 3:03:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: stylin19a

Excellent!


5 posted on 04/03/2011 3:04:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Truly, this is a masterwork of brevity and power.


6 posted on 04/03/2011 3:09:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: EternalVigilance

One might say ten...The Ten Commandments and the Bill of rights....what a perfect fit. I’m with you.


7 posted on 04/03/2011 3:12:41 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: stylin19a

shot = short
sheesh


8 posted on 04/03/2011 3:22:51 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

These ideas are right out of the book “The 5000 Year Leap” — a book of 28 principles behind the construction of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution; principles that were clearly in the minds of the Founding Fathers. A great book — one that all freedom-loving people should read and re-read — it brings right thinking to your brain — I know it did to mine...


9 posted on 04/03/2011 3:48:17 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: EternalVigilance
Excellent!!

A reason we have so much difficulty today lies in the degree to which we have allowed the so-called "progressives" to control the education of youth for the past several decades.

The ideas which dominated the "American mind" of 1776, according to Thomas Jefferson, were those encapsulated in the Declaration of Independence. Those ideas are contrasted with the "progressive" ideas which have replaced them in the public schools of America. The following is excerpted from "Lessons on Liberty," by La Vaughn G. Lewis, Co-Editor, "Our Ageless Constitution" & "Rediscovering the Ideas of Liberty." The "Lesson" contrasts the Founders' Ideas of Liberty" to be taught to rising generations, with the Counterfeit Ideas being promoted in the so-called "public schools" of America for decades.

IDEAS OF LIBERTY:

(from America’s Founders and Presidents)

“The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.” (Jefferson - 1774)

“Statesmen may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone which can establish the principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.” (John Adams - 1775)

“The Sacred Rights of Mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the Hand of the Divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.” (Alexander Hamilton)

“Without God, there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first and the most basic expression of Americanism. Thus the founding fathers saw it, and thus, with God’s help, it will continue to be.” (Dwight Eisenhower)

“The same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe, the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.” (John F. Kennedy - 1961 Inaugural)

“…it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor….”(George Washington)

“Now the virtue which had been infused into the Constitution…and was to give it…the stability and duration to which it was destined, was no other than…those abstract principles…proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence—namely, the self-evident truths of the…unalienable rights of man…the…sovereignty of the people, always subordinate to a rule of right and wrong, and always responsible to the Supreme Ruler of the universe for the rightful exercise of that sovereign…power.” (John Quincy Adams, on the occasion of The Jubilee of the Constitution - 1839)

"Today, across our nation, we see consequences of decades of gross neglect and outright censorship of the Founders’ ideas from textbooks and from our public discourse. We have allowed counterfeit ideas to dominate the public square, and the Founders’ principles have been crowded out. Unwittingly, many teachers and other unknowing officials have participated in the agenda of an unelected mind-controlling elite whose tyrannical actions have robbed generations of Americans from reading or studying the ideas that made America free. Like termites, they have eroded our foundations as effectively as if they had burned the books. Yet, not once have they been willing to call it by its rightful name—censorship. Once, in America, stifling ideas about the Creator and Creator-endowed liberty was considered unthinkable. . . .

"The ideas of liberty must be passed on from generation to generation if liberty is to survive. These ideas, when they are allowed to be examined freely, will prevail, because their appeal is to reason and to the love for liberty that is deep in the human heart. John Adams warned: “The people of America now have the best opportunity and the greatest trust in their hands, that Providence ever committed to so small a number…if they betray their trust, their guilt will merit even greater punishment than other nations have suffered, and the indignation of Heaven.”

COUNTERFEIT IDEAS:

(from some of those whose views have dominated national educational policy)

“The idea of God is the keystone of a perverted society. The true root of liberty, equality and culture is atheism.” (Karl Marx)

Our thinking is enlightened “in the degree in which we cease to depend upon belief in the supernatural.” (John Dewey, father of ‘progressive education’ and 1st President of American Humanist Society)

“…democracy is a human faith and movement, unencumbered by supernatural preconceptions.” (John Childs, a protégé of John Dewey at Columbia)

“…the majority of our youth still hold the values of their parents, and if we do not alter this pattern, if we do not resocialize ourselves to accept change, our society may decay.” (John Goodlad, 1971 Report to President, Schooling for the Future)

“As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially a faith in the prayer-hearing God, who is assumed to love and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith.” (Humanist Manifesto II, 1973)

“…the most important factor moving us toward a secular society has been the educational factor. Our schools may not teach Johnny to read properly, but the fact that Johnny is in school until he is sixteen tends to lead toward elimination of religious superstition.” (Paul Blanshard, The Humanist, March-April, 1976)

“It [the Nat’l. Education Association’s publication list] includes the delegitimizing of all authority save that of the state, the degradation of traditional morality and the encouragement of citizens in general and children in particular to despise the rules and customs that make their society a functional democracy. The NEA is drifting into exceedingly dangerous waters, and probably carrying more than a few teachers and pupils with it.” (Chester E. Finn, Jr., Ass’t. Sec. Of Education & Prof. Of Education & Public Policy, Vanderbilt Univ., 1982)

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“Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines which conflict with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence…let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountains whose waters spring close to the blood of the Revolution.” (Abraham Lincoln)

10 posted on 04/03/2011 3:52:36 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: EternalVigilance

nice! I’m printing out for my wallet


11 posted on 04/03/2011 3:53:57 PM PDT by moodyskeptic (Cultural warrior with a keyboard)
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To: loveliberty2

Great quotes! thank you for compiling them


12 posted on 04/03/2011 3:59:53 PM PDT by moodyskeptic (Cultural warrior with a keyboard)
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To: EternalVigilance
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers of paradise. Common Sense


13 posted on 04/03/2011 4:24:24 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: loveliberty2

I note that none of them say “Christianity” in their quotes. Could it be that they believed in God but not Christianity?

I suppose Solomon Haym was good enough to be the financier of the American Revolution, but not good enough for Rev. Gordon?


14 posted on 04/03/2011 4:34:01 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Thomas Paine...Excellent!
And here without anger or resentment I bid you farewell. Sincerely wishing, that as men and christians, ye may always fully and uninterruptedly enjoy every civil and religious right; and be, in your turn, the means of securing it to others; but that the example which ye have unwisely set, of mingling religion with politics, may be disavowed and reprobated by every inhabitant of AMERICA. --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensible duty of all government, to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith. Let a man throw aside that narrowness of soul, that selfishness of principle, which the niggards of all professions are so unwilling to part with, and he will be at once delivered of his fears on that head. Suspicion is the companion of mean souls, and the bane of all good society. For myself, I fully and conscientiously believe, that it is the will of the Almighty, that there should be diversity of religious opinions among us: It affords a larger field for our Christian kindness. --Thomas Paine, Common Sense

15 posted on 04/03/2011 4:37:54 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: moodyskeptic

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.” stockpirate

“Those who beat their guns in to plows will plow for those who do not.” Jefferson

“When people fear the government you have tyranny, when he government fears the people you have liberty.” Jefferson

“Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God”


16 posted on 04/03/2011 4:59:56 PM PDT by stockpirate (Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God!)
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To: moodyskeptic

ping to self


17 posted on 04/03/2011 5:10:06 PM PDT by Tomato lover (Jesus is Lord of all)
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To: Gondring

Well said, Mr. Paine. For if a man is not free to be a Christian as best he understands that duty, then he is not free at all. (Hence the protections of religion provided for in the First Amendment.)

If he does possess such freedom, and fulfills the purpose of such freedom, the qualities when enable self-government will persist in this nation, and ensure that liberty can continue.

Or, if he ignores the purpose of that freedom, he contributes to not only its loss but that of liberty as a whole.


18 posted on 04/03/2011 5:13:31 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: EternalVigilance

Our bureaucratic representatives are sitting in judgement of all of us, just as the Pharisees wrote more and more laws to condemn the Hebrews.

Those of use who believe in God need only the 10 Commandments.


19 posted on 04/03/2011 5:15:54 PM PDT by wizr (Keep the Faith! Even when it gets tough! Nothing else will do.)
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To: EternalVigilance

This is the best thing I’ve read on Freerepublic in a while! VERY GOOD! right on!


20 posted on 04/03/2011 5:17:19 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: EternalVigilance
12) A secular-humanist version of conservatism (like libertarianism) denies reality, by refusing to promote the laws necessary for the construction of a human conscience, and, therefore, produces no more lasting liberty than overt liberalism.

Personally, this is my problem with libertarianism (big or little 'L').

The libertarian philosophy sounds wonderful! Yet, it denies reality.

People are imperfect. Libertarians fail to truly understand that simple fact.

Flame away!


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21 posted on 04/03/2011 6:18:24 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: rdb3

No flames from me! :-)


22 posted on 04/03/2011 6:34:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: Shery

I agree, even if I did post it! ;-)


23 posted on 04/03/2011 6:38:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
- John Adams


24 posted on 04/03/2011 8:08:42 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: EternalVigilance
8) America was founded by followers of the only religion in the world that exclusively recognized the absolute, non-optional REALITY that government was (and is) limited: Christianity. This is why America must remain a “religion-sanctioned state” as intended by the founders, and refuse both the “state-sanctioned religion” and “secular-humanist state” they rejected.

Absolute bunk.

Chrisianity clicked along and grew for more than 1750 years without ever recognizing "that government was (and is) limited".

In fact, Christianity worked hand-in-hand with most of the tyrannical governments wherein it existed for most of that 1750 years.

The founding of the United States was done by reasonable people who were just as sick and tired of religious tyranny as they were of political tyranny.

25 posted on 04/03/2011 8:21:50 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
I'm sorry you don't understand his wise words, or much at all about the religious make up of the founding generation.

Virtually every component of the principles AND the processes that they put place came from biblical sources. You know, the stuff they were virtually all steeped in their whole lives.

26 posted on 04/03/2011 8:28:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Absolutely right.


27 posted on 04/03/2011 8:29:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: EternalVigilance

ping


28 posted on 04/03/2011 9:10:07 PM PDT by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Paine)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm sorry you don't understand his wise words, or much at all about the religious make up of the founding generation.

Yes, you're sorry; you got that part right.

I talked to Him, and He wants you, and others like you, to quit making stuff up and assigning His name to it.

29 posted on 04/04/2011 5:31:09 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Trolls troll trollingly.

Nice way to hijack the thread troll.

Now as we were saying....

These 12 statements are at the very core of the divide in our country. We do not have a political or economic crisis in America, we have crisis of conscience.


30 posted on 04/04/2011 6:19:16 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
SpringtoLiberty
Troll, Since Sep 15, 2010

When someone posts a religious article in "News", it is subject to any and all criticisms.

The item #8 on which I commented is blatantly contrary to the historical record of the past two thousand years, and blatantly contrary to the historical records of the founding of the USA.

These 12 statements are at the very core of the divide in our country. We do not have a political or economic crisis in America, we have crisis of conscience.

We do have problems of all kinds in our country. Blatant dishonesty and lack of reasoning are among the worst.

Making stuff up for religious propaganda purposes is no better than the liberals making stuff up for communist propaganda purposes.

Some wise fellow once said, "... the truth shall set you free."

31 posted on 04/04/2011 6:47:55 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Well, someone had to come along and illustrate the pastor’s deeply insightful points. Thanks for volunteering.


32 posted on 04/04/2011 6:49:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: meadsjn

What can I say? Takes one to know one.


33 posted on 04/04/2011 6:58:54 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: meadsjn
When someone posts a religious article in "News", it is subject to any and all criticisms.

Yes, even baseless and ignorant ones.

Not that this is a "religious article." Samuel Adams, the father of the American Revolution and the original instigator of the real Tea Party, made all the same points at the very beginning, in a completely civic and governmental context.

34 posted on 04/04/2011 7:02:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
Samuel Adams,
The Rights of the Colonists
The Report of the Committee of Correspondence
to the Boston Town Meeting
, Nov. 20, 1772

Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.

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Every natural right not expressly given up, or, from the nature of a social compact, necessarily ceded, remains.

All positive and civil laws should conform, as far as possible, to the law of natural reason and equity.

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"Just and true liberty, equal and impartial liberty," in matters spiritual and temporal, is a thing that all men are clearly entitled to by the eternal and immutable laws of God and nature, as well as by the law of nations and all well-grounded municipal laws, which must have their foundation in the former.

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35 posted on 04/04/2011 7:21:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: meadsjn

Just so we know where you’re coming from, could you please give us a brief synopsis of the “historical record of the past 2000 years”?

And as for the “historical records of the founding” I belive several posters have posted those. The Declaration and Common Sense are two that stick out.

But maybe there is some hidden feemason diaries that really say that they all hated Christ and wanted a humanist society to replace the churchs they all worshiped in every Sunday their entire lives.


36 posted on 04/04/2011 7:34:39 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: EternalVigilance

sfl


37 posted on 04/04/2011 7:35:13 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

The difference between good government, exercised according to the immutable laws of nature and of Nature’s God, and tyranny, still, to the present day, comes down to the simple difference between right and wrong, a distinction that can made in almost every case even by a small child.


38 posted on 04/04/2011 7:45:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
You're obviously young and uneducated. Some years ago, students were required to learn World History, Western Civilization, and US History in grade school, junior high, high school, and college. With all the revisionism taking place from all directions, one must take responsibility for his/her own education these days.

The “historical record of the past 2000 years” was studied in several different parts in several of those school years. Those parts included studies about the Holy Roman Empire, The Dark Ages, The Renaissance, the exploration and settling of the New World, with occasional miscellaneous topics thrown in about the wretched European continent wracked with non-stop religious war, The Protestant Reformation (actually several of these), the back-and-forth haggling between Catholics and Protestants in the British Isles, etc., etc., etc.

US History (at several different grade levels) generally covered the settling of the North American continent, through the French and Indian War, the Revolution, the Civil War, Industrial Revolution, and on up through World War II.

A History of the American People, by Paul Johnson, is an excellent college-level text of the American people, from the early settlements through the twentieth century, with a strong focus on the impact of various religious groups on the development of the different colonies, and on the development of the USA as a nation. Johnson's previous book, A History of the Jewish People, is also widely acclaimed to be an excellent study, but I haven't read that one yet.

There are also many good books that focus specifically on the Revolutionary War period, including the years under the Articles of Confederation and the development of the US Constitution, and the first few years of the new republic.

If you can bother yourself to read just a little of this stuff, get back to me, and we can discuss some interesting stuff about history, like how, once the British were defeated, the greatest threat to liberty and unity were the various religious zealots who insisted that their personal congregations' religious dogma should be the alpha and omega of the Constitution.

Here's a simple internet source with lots of links that gives some hints why many of the Founders saw it necessary to separate our politics from religion, and these very wise Founders' arguments held sway against the zealots who would have turned this new-born nation into the same religious slaughterhouse they left behind in Europe.


Arguments for American exceptionalism

Those who believe in American Exceptionalism argue that there are many ways that the United States clearly differs from the European world that it emerged from.

One claim is that while much of European history was wracked with religious wars and conflicts, with tension between Protestants and Catholics ran high, and often erupted into bloody conflicts like the French Wars of Religion, the Spanish Inquisition, the persecution of Protestants under Mary I of England, and the Thirty Years War, the United States has been a religiously pluralistic country since its founding, with no experience of large-scale religious wars. This argument is weakened by a reliance on comparing events from 16th and 17th century European history with later American history, and by a history of small-scale religious persecution ranging from attacks on the followers of Anne Hutchinson by the Puritans to the Utah War of the late 19th century, but it does reflect an important aspect of America's self-image that is not shared by many nations.



39 posted on 04/04/2011 5:43:14 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Why are you on this site meadsjn?

Also, nice ad hominom attack to lead off. Perfectly sanctimonious and belittling.

I give this troll a 6/10. The wall of text detracted from your score as well as all the generalities. Next time try peppering your rants with some dates and locations, maybe a name thrown in there just for fun.


40 posted on 04/04/2011 5:59:50 PM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Not yet, Grasshopper. Go learn something.


41 posted on 04/04/2011 6:06:19 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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