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Giuliani stresses electability for 2012
gop12.thehill.com ^ | Monday, April 4, 2011 | thehill.com GOP12 Breaking News

Posted on 04/04/2011 10:39:35 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

On a weekend trip to the University of Arkansas, Rudy Giuliani talked about the possibility of running for president again.

"My concern about 2012 is -- because I'm a Republican -- to make sure that the Republican party fields a candidate that can win.

And if I think that I can help by being a candidate, then that would probably persuade me to do it, but if I can help supporting another candidate, then I'd probably do that."

And there's time to figure that out. The good thing about this election -- as opposed to four years ago -- is that it's happening very slowly, so it gives you a chance to think about it -- gives you a chance to get it down to a smaller period of time so people can focus more on the issues."

In a speech in Florida last month, Giuliani laid out further criteria for a run.

“If all we are faced with are candidates that are too far right so that they can’t win the general election, then that’s when I’d reconsider doing it."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; electability; giuliani; giuliani2012; rino; rudy; rudy2012
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1 posted on 04/04/2011 10:39:39 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

My concern about 2012 is — because I’m an American — to make sure that Obama is a one term President.


2 posted on 04/04/2011 10:40:50 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I hate to say this but even Giuliani looks good compared to Bambi or Hitlery.

She’s running, y’know.


3 posted on 04/04/2011 10:41:33 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: Jim Robinson

What say you Jim?


4 posted on 04/04/2011 10:42:12 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Jim Robinson

What say you Jim?


5 posted on 04/04/2011 10:42:20 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Rudy, your fifteen minutes is up.


6 posted on 04/04/2011 10:42:55 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Rudy, your fifteen minutes is up.


7 posted on 04/04/2011 10:42:55 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: All

“If all we are faced with are candidates that are too far right so that they can’t win the general election, then that’s when I’d reconsider doing it.”

Wait what is this? I don’t even......


8 posted on 04/04/2011 10:44:10 AM PDT by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Giuliani? NO!

NO more liberals. NO more moderates. NO more rinos.

NO more RudyMcRombees!


9 posted on 04/04/2011 10:44:31 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
"My concern about 2012 is -- because I'm a Republican -- to make sure that the Republican party fields a candidate that can win.

And if I think that I can help by being a candidate, then that would probably persuade me to do it...

You can't...

10 posted on 04/04/2011 10:46:03 AM PDT by WayneS ("If mercy's in business I wish it for you; and more than just ashes when your dreams come true.")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Giuliani has plenty of issues but I seriously doubt he’s be kow-towing to Islam the way Obama has been doing since day 1.

He’d make a pretty good Homeland Security Sec in Palin’s cabinet.


11 posted on 04/04/2011 10:47:21 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Reagan Man

... and that goes double for TheDonald.

NO Trump either!


12 posted on 04/04/2011 10:47:59 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Rudy was in then out so many times in the NY Senate race it was a joke. This is why there are two Dem Senators.


13 posted on 04/04/2011 10:50:04 AM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Seruzawa

I am no Rudy POTUS fan but he was a damned good leader during 9/11 and he has a point. Unless Independents rally with whoever the GOP nominee is we are doomed with Obama.
If the GOP candidate is not favored by independents they will all then split off and vote for a Rand Paul.


14 posted on 04/04/2011 10:58:13 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Heck if Judy is worried about electability we can just run Obama on both tickets, as a bonus that could slow Hillary down.


15 posted on 04/04/2011 10:58:27 AM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Mr. 3% speaketh...


16 posted on 04/04/2011 11:00:43 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Liberty, not License. Freedom, not Slavery.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Trump Trumps them ALL!!!


17 posted on 04/04/2011 11:01:10 AM PDT by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: Reagan Man

Oh how I agree but the GOP is doing a shabby job all around do you think they will back Bachmann much less Palin?In the end I pray all unite behind someone that can beat Obama.


18 posted on 04/04/2011 11:01:13 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: Grunthor
My concern about 2012 is -- because I'm an American -- is that we don't elect another socialist, big government, statist liberal, whether Pubbie or 'Rat.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

19 posted on 04/04/2011 11:03:09 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? www.myspace.com/10poundtest)
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To: ZULU

We need a true conservative that can pull off the union vote (Screw Obama’s SEIU PROGRESSIVE MOB) and Ca. and pick up some in NY.

We need Reagan!


20 posted on 04/04/2011 11:05:06 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: ASA Vet

FURG!!


21 posted on 04/04/2011 11:08:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: ZULU

I believe Reagan was as popular as Bachmann and Palin and low in the polls at this stage.

Independents like Bachmann as she is a tax attorney for the fair tax.

So there is hope.


22 posted on 04/04/2011 11:09:08 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: calcowgirl; TommyDale; Condor51; indylindy; stephenjohnbanker
Mmmmmmm......Rooty's running again? He must have quite a pile left from that "9/11 Foundation" he formed as NYC mayor, and put his mistress (now his wife) in charge of. The "foundation" collected millions---but nobody knows what they did with it.

Watching this guy Giuliani navigate the political process is like watching a horror film festival---Rooty's had more sequels than Bela Lugosi.

No matter how many stakes are driven into Rooty's presidential aspirations, the Rudester comes back from the dead, climbs out of his coffin with the same evil smirk, to wreak havoc on our political process again and again. Rooty's got the resilience of Count Dracula and the rap sheet of a calculating conman......not exactly star material for the White House.

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THE ROOTY READING ROOM You can casually surf FR and come up with quotes, speeches, interview transcripts, video clips, photos, newspaper/magazine articles, reports, records, statistics, WRT to Rooty and NYC budgets, NYC spending, political appointments, gun grabs, connections to the gun control lobby, lawsuits against gun manufacturers, the truth about crime reduction in NYC, private property grabs, asset forfeitures, abuses of office, individual rights trampling, constitution trampling, violations of public trust, violations of the rule of law, national security risks, failures in security preparedness prior to and after 911.

Not to mention corruption, graft, bribes, favors, union dealings, mob dealings, business dealings leveraged through government contracts and contacts, rainmaking for his business partners, connections to US, Middle East or South American oil and energy companies and law firms that have profited and or will profit from Giuliani's government offices especially if he becomes president, war profiteering, his personal and business finances.

Then there's his train wreck of a private life and lack of character, lack of qualifications for high office, illegal alien NYC sanctuaries, welfare for illegals, pandering to illegals/illegal alien lobby, support for the abortion and gay rights lobbies, NARAL connections and participation, past and current support for McCain-Feingold, connections and dealings with liberal officeholders or the liberal/socialist caucuses/lobbies, etc, etc, etc, that you can find.

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For a man intent on moving into the White House, Rudy Giuliani carries a lot of baggage - but it’s his draft-dodging past that makes an interesting tidbit.

Asked about terrorism and the ME, Giuliani boasted, “It is something I understand better than anyone else running for president.” But it was draft deferments that kept Giuliani, 62, out of Vietnam while he attended law school.

He was granted a 2-A occupational deferment for his job as a law clerk in 1969 after his boss, the late Manhattan federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon, wrote a letter to the local draft board - a move criticized years later as rare and questionable.

Law clerks were not on the 1968 list of critical jobs that qualified for occupational deferments.

When the deferment expired in 1970, Giuliani became susceptible again - but lucked out with such a high draft number that it would have been unnecessary to attempt to continue his exemption. He was never called. —SNIP—

AND GET THIS ROOTY SPIN: “Giuliani was opposed to the war in Vietnam on “strategic and tactical” grounds......” his spokesman added, although she wouldn’t offer specifics.

Yeah, sure. NOW he's againt the war (that's why Rooty got a fishy occupational deferment).

23 posted on 04/04/2011 11:09:19 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Um...so a guy who couldn't get arrested during the 2008 primary is thinking about running again because he's worried about electability.


24 posted on 04/04/2011 11:14:37 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Before he could be elected he has to be nominated.

I still dont think the GOP base will nominate a guy who is voluntarily on his third wife ... whether his name is Rudy, Newt, or Donald.


25 posted on 04/04/2011 11:18:33 AM PDT by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
>>>>>In the end I pray all unite behind someone that can beat Obama.

That can't be the only qualifier, however. If the GOP candidate is not a conservative who has a proven track record consistent with traditional constitutional policy positions, then its another prescription for failure.

26 posted on 04/04/2011 11:19:10 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

RG is a good man in his own right.

But we don’t need someone who the RINO’s think “can win”, we need someone who will surround herself with like-minded stalwarts who understand what we’re about to lose forever. We need a president who aims to set things right and who doesn’t take prisoners.

Maybe Rudy can replace Holder or something.


27 posted on 04/04/2011 11:19:34 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: All
A HUGE blot on Rooty is his association with convicted felon Bernie Kerik charged with several felonies, including tax evasion and conspiracy to commit wiretapping.

Once his driver----Rooty promoted Kerik to Police Commissioner. Rooty figured Kerik at DHS would be a boon to Rooty's global security businesses. Kerik was later nailed for lying on the WH form. Wonder who helped Kerik fill out the falsified form? Hmmmmm?

As one FReeper insightfully posted: "Dis auta be fun. Not only is Rooty a sock puppet for illegals, abortionists, homos, pukeneos, Rooty is a stoolie for da goodfellas."

Tick-tock, tick-tock.

28 posted on 04/04/2011 11:20:13 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Electability? Fugetaboutit Rudy!


29 posted on 04/04/2011 11:20:52 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

The reason we lost in 2008 was because independents didn’t care for our middl-of-the-road guy.

The reason we won big in 2010 was because independents voted for rock-ribbed conservatives.

In 2012 we will be told that rock-ribbed conservatives are too far to the right for the delicate sensibilities of independents. Don’t believe it for a minute. We run a squishy moderate, we get shellacked.


30 posted on 04/04/2011 11:20:57 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Liz
He didn't go to Vietnam - so what? Bush didn't either. That's better than John Kerry and his anti-American activities and shenanigans during that time...and I don't see Rudy sucking up to the Saudi's:

Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday the city would not accept a $10 million donation for disaster relief from Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal after the prince suggested U.S. policies in the Middle East contributed to the September 11 attacks.

"I entirely reject that statement," Giuliani said. "There is no moral equivalent for this [terrorist] act. There is no justification for it. The people who did it lost any right to ask for justification for it when they slaughtered 4,000 or 5,000 innocent people."

31 posted on 04/04/2011 11:25:00 AM PDT by khnyny (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop. P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

LOL! He may as well. All of the other politicians in the running for the oligarchy are like him, too.


32 posted on 04/04/2011 11:25:35 AM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: calcowgirl; Condor51
Giuliani returned to the scene of the crime-----giving a speech in Florida last month (where in 2008 he came in a distant third after campaigning 63 says straight).

IS THAT A PROMISE OR A THREAT, ROOTY? Giuliani told Floridians, “If all we are faced with are candidates that are too far right so that they can’t win the general election, then that’s when I’d reconsider doing it."

Rooty's utterances sound like they're straight out of the Pukeneo's "We Hate Conservatives" Playbook.

33 posted on 04/04/2011 11:27:12 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

The only position I would consider Rudy for would be Homeland Security.

President ? Nope.


34 posted on 04/04/2011 11:29:54 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Who says he is electable. He has two too many wives, ala Newt. he is Pro-Abort, not good. He did lousy last time. He is less relevant today!
35 posted on 04/04/2011 11:34:31 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Liz
This thread should be interesting.

All the pro-Rooty lib NOOBS are outing themselves and just begging for a ZOT like with that famous Bug Zapper thread in 08.

Scores of dead Rooty trolls littered the FR Server that day. It was .... beautiful.

36 posted on 04/04/2011 11:42:54 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: ASA Vet; Jim Robinson
Jim Rob has gone on record many times regarding his position about both Rudy and Mitt. But in case you missed it, I think he pretty much summed it up at post #21.

If the GOP can't come up with a better candidtate than either Rudy or Mitt in 2012, then they deserve to wander in the wilderness for 40 year. (unfortunately, the damage to the republic may be irreparable.)

37 posted on 04/04/2011 11:42:59 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I agree. I have hope Bachmann Palin can pull a Reagan.


38 posted on 04/04/2011 11:48:07 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: Mr. Silverback

The media spin loves pimping Obama and making any conservative Alinskized. Bachmann would pick a good VP
and could pull a Reagan. I just wish West would jump in.


39 posted on 04/04/2011 11:52:53 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: Liz

I am certain that Rudy has a “pile” left. Unfortunately it is probably dog poop.


40 posted on 04/04/2011 11:53:39 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

Heheh-——now that’s funny.


41 posted on 04/04/2011 12:03:53 PM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Condor51
........pro-Rooty NOOBS are outing themselves and just begging for a ZOT like the famous Bug Zapper thread in 08. Scores of dead Rooty trolls littered the FR Server that day. It was .... beautiful...............

That was a VERY good day.

42 posted on 04/04/2011 12:06:33 PM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
If the GOP candidate is not favored by independents they will all then split off and vote for a Rand Paul.

As a voter who has been registered as "independent" (non-alligned) for 45 years, I am so thrilled that there are FReepers like Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! here to tell everyone how I'm going to vote.

43 posted on 04/04/2011 12:08:32 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Riiiiight.... “UP! the Middle”... Here we go again! The strategy of FAIL!


44 posted on 04/04/2011 12:12:23 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: All
Here's another Rooty Cutie (/snix): To suckup to the Liberal Party who helped him win the Mayoralty---Rooty appointed the Liberal Party Boss' sons to high-paying city jobs. Read on.

Liberal Party endorsement has been important to Giuliani’s political success...........The Liberal Party backed Rudy three times for mayor. And Rudy paid back the Liberal Party in spades----he was THAT appreciative.

(1) Mayor Rudy appointed Liberal Party Chairwoman Fran Reiter as Deputy Mayor. Rudy later gave her a $250K city job.

(2) Mayor Rudy gave the two sons of Liberal Party honcho Ray Harding top city jobs.

One Harding brother---Russel---stole the city blind, giving himself unauthorized salary raises, stealing electronic equipment, enjoying gay porn, internet child porn, and traveling with gay friends on the taxpayers' dime.

When Rudy was appraised of Russel's govt fraud, and that Russel was being prosecuted (he is now in jail), Rudy said he "felt bad" for the Harding family (gag).

Rudy never never deviated from the "I-Love-Liberals" drill and dared not utter a discouraging word about the depraved Russel, lest Rudy alienate big buck liberal donors and voters.

Remember voters, a look at Rudy's past is a glimpse into the future.

45 posted on 04/04/2011 12:15:25 PM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Grunthor
I doubt that Giuliani would do any better in 2012 than he did in 2008--for the same reasons.

Republicans seem to be comfortable with nominating men who have been married twice (Reagan, Dole, McCain), but not with men who have been married three times. (Trump has been married four times.)

If it came down to Giuliani or Trump, I'd go with Giuliani--Trump is too much of a loose cannon and I'm still ticked off at him for his trashing of George W. Bush. He isn't enough of a Republican to be on the Republican ticket--it would be worse than if McCain had insisted on Lieberman as VP in 2008. But it definitely won't come down to a choice between Giuliani and Trump.

Two other Republican Presidents were married twice but the second marriage occurred after the first wife died--Benjamin Harrison and Theodore Roosevelt. In Harrison's case the second marriage was after he left office.

46 posted on 04/04/2011 12:25:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: MichaelCorleone

Let’s welcome as many RINOs into the primaries as possible. They can split the RINO vote and allow a conservative to prevail. That is if conservatives are smart enough to back one good candidate and not split their own votes...


47 posted on 04/04/2011 12:26:17 PM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I think Rudy would make a really good Director of Central Intelligence!


48 posted on 04/04/2011 12:29:18 PM PDT by CarolinaGOP ("Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: All

" P-l-e-a-s-e make me sound like a conservative."

"My stupid advisors told me I didn't need those redneck gun nuts and
those dumb pro-life Christian conservatives to make a primary showing."

" They're killing me on FR just b/c I dumped my wife for my mistress, don't talk
to my kids, was honored by NARAL, donated to Planned Parenthood, marched
for gay rights under the NAMBLA banner, appointed gays and pedophiles
to top city jobs, and provided a sanctuary for illegals."

49 posted on 04/04/2011 12:29:25 PM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

I don’t care how many times someone has married. I don’t care how many illigitimate kids they have.

I care that they can defeat the “Won.”


50 posted on 04/04/2011 12:31:40 PM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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