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NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | April 4, 2011 | Robert Costa

Posted on 04/04/2011 2:24:28 PM PDT by neverdem

Graham Responds to Steyn, Stuttaford
The South Carolina senator defends his comments about Koran burning.

In response to the criticism by Mark Steyn and Andrew Stuttaford about his weekend comments on free speech and Koran burning, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) called me this afternoon to flesh out his thoughts on the matter.

Here is the transcript:


NRO: Some of my National Review colleagues are being pretty rough on you today. What is your response to some of the outrage on the right about your comments regarding free speech?

GRAHAM: General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning. Free speech probably allows that, but I don’t like that. I don’t like burning the flag under the idea of free speech. That bothers me; I have been one of the chief sponsors of legislation against burning the flag. I don’t like the idea that these people picket funerals of slain servicemen. If I had my way, that wouldn’t be free speech. So there are a lot of things under the guise of free speech that I think are harmful and hateful.

When General Petraeus wants us to say something because our troops are at risk, I’m glad to help. I don’t believe that killing someone is an appropriate reaction to burning the Koran, the Bible, or anything else, like I said Sunday; but those who believe that free speech allows you to burn the flag, I disagree. Those who want free speech to allow you to go to a funeral and picket a family, and giving more misery to their lives than they have already suffered, I disagree. And if I could do something about behavior that puts our troops at risk, I would. But in this case, you probably can’t. It’s not about the Koran; it’s about putting our troops at risk. And I think all of us owe the troops the support we’re capable of giving.

Any time an American acts in a way that puts our troops at risk, I feel the need to speak out. I don’t have any hesitation telling the Karzai government that they should not put someone in jail for converting to Christianity. I think that is an absurd law, and we have pushed back against that. I don’t have a problem condemning somebody who burns the Koran or any other religious teaching, particularly when it puts our troops at risk. If we don’t realize that we have thousands of American soldiers in Muslim countries, and that what we do and say here influences their security, then we are just disconnected from the world as it is.


NRO: But don’t you understand the concerns about a U.S. senator determining the limits of free speech?

GRAHAM: Not really. Nobody said anything to me when I said that you can’t burn the flag. People say that is free speech, but I don’t agree. What I was saying is, if I could hold people accountable, I would. But I know that we can’t. I just don’t like the idea of free speech being used as a reason to put our troops at risk. They’ve got enough problems already. I really believe that responsibility ought to be part of free speech. You can’t yell “fire” in a theater. There are a lot of things that you can’t do under the guise of free speech. I just hate it when somebody here, some crazy person, acts in a way that puts our troops in jeopardy. I really feel the need to condemn that. To me, that is not a responsible use of free speech.


NRO: Couldn’t any kind of speech be interpreted as something that could put the troops at risk? Something the president says? Something a U.S. senator says? You could point to any speech and blame it for something.

GRAHAM: Well, that’s what I’m saying. I agree with that. We live in a free-speech society. But when Harry Reid said that the war was lost in Iraq, I didn’t like it. But he has the right to say it. I just want us to be responsible and realize that we are at war. I guess that is my point.


NRO: So you don’t want to do anything legally to limit speech. You’re making a political point.

GRAHAM: Right. I want to push back and say, “be responsible.” But I would vote for a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning, okay.


NRO: What about Koran burning?

GRAHAM: If not a particular act, I would like to be able to push back against things that put our troops in harm’s way, at home and abroad. But there is no way to regulate all of the speech that you are talking about. I am not suggesting that we have a constitutional amendment to ban Koran burning, or Bible burning, or anything else. I am suggesting that I wish that we could make people accountable.


NRO: How do you do that?

GRAHAM: Push back. Let the world know that we don’t condone this, that this is not America. Let people see that this is not who the American people are. To be a Christian, you don’t have to prove you’re a Christian by burning the Koran. We are nation where we tolerate religious differences and that’s what makes us great. We want to push the Muslim world to tolerate Christianity better. It’s pretty hard for us to stand up for freedom of religion in Islamic counties when you can’t stand up for it here.


NRO: If Koran burning puts troops at risk, should the New York Times be banned from publishing classified memos, since that is a form of First Amendment expression that potentially puts our troops at risk?

GRAHAM: Yes. I was very consistent. I wanted to investigate the WikiLeaks case to see if it compromised our national security. See, I believe that we are at war. I am not talking about Koran burning in isolation. I am talking about it in response to what General Petraeus said. If this is important enough to him to issue a statement, then it ought to be important enough for us in government to listen to what he has to say.

This is not some theoretical case of free speech; this is a case that is impacting the security of our forces, according to our general on the ground. WikiLeaks was the release of classified information, and I don’t believe that the private in question has a free-speech defense. Those who release classified information, even for those in the media, they are not above the law. The First Amendment doesn’t allow people to publish state secrets.


NRO: But don’t you fear that if we let Islamic extremists determine the speech debate in the United States, then we’ve lost something?

GRAHAM: No. Here’s what I fear: I fear that politicians don’t have any problem pushing against laws in the Middle East that are outrageous. It’s perfectly acceptable for me to push back against prosecutions by Islamic countries against people of my faith. And it is perfectly appropriate for me to condemn Koran burning when the general who is in charge of our troops believes that such action would help. I’m not letting Islamists determine what free speech in America is, but I am, as a political leader, trying to respond to the needs of our commander. You’ve got to remember, General Petraeus decided that this was important enough to get on the record as being inappropriate. And I want to be on the record with General Petraeus.


NRO: Instead of being an advocate for Petraeus, should you not first and foremost be an advocate for the First Amendment?

GRAHAM: You know what? Let me tell you, the First Amendment means nothing without people like General Petraeus. I don’t believe that the First Amendment allows you to burn the flag or picket the funeral of a slain service member. I am going to continue to speak out and say that’s wrong. The First Amendment does allow you to express yourself and burn a Koran. I’m sure that’s the law, but I don’t think it’s a responsible use of our First Amendment right.

Where does this end? How many more things are going to happen in the world that is going to incite violence against our service members overseas? I am just asking Americans, don’t do that, please. For God’s sake, no matter how you feel about religion, please keep it within the confines of realizing that we have thousands of people serving our nation, fighting for those First Amendment rights. They’ve got enough problems.

Just be responsible, that’s all I’m trying to say. Burning the Bible would not justify murder, burning the Koran doesn’t justify violence. The people who are committing this violence, I condemn them. That’s what I said Sunday. I don’t think I said anything Sunday that was inconsistent with what General Petraeus said.


NRO: Okay. But suppose General Petraeus said it would be better if Americans did not criticize the teachings of Mohammad, that it would be better for American troops if Americans did not speak out on Islam. Would you advocate for that?

GRAHAM: No. One thing about free speech is that you can practice your religion and differ with others. Free speech and the freedom of religion doesn’t only guarantee your right to practice your religion, it also allows you to criticize.

Go back and look at the testimony from the Durbin hearing about protecting Muslim rights. I said then that this is a part of life. There are people who think the Baptists have got it all wrong. Well, I’m a Baptist. The Protestant–Catholic divide still exists in some corners. That’s the thing about living in a free society. You can challenge each other. You can not only practice your religion, but challenge someone else’s religion. But here’s what I am saying: In the course of that debate, if an act of an individual is so unrepresentative of how we are as a nation, and puts our troops in harm’s way, I feel a need to say that is not right. I hope most political leaders would speak out and say Koran burning is an inappropriate way to do business. I’ve condemned burning the Bible. Do you think we should say that is okay?


NRO: The question about your comments is about imposing any kind of legal pushback during a time of war.

GRAHAM: If I could, I would make it a crime to burn the flag, but the only way you could do that is through a constitutional amendment.


NRO: What I don’t understand is, if would you support an amendment to ban flag burning, why do you not support one to ban Koran burning?

GRAHAM: In my view, the flag represents who we are as a nation. It is a symbol of who we are. If you start talking about individual acts of religious intolerance, the amendment doesn’t make any sense. It does make sense, to me, to focus on the symbol of the country, the flag. I’m not proposing that we propose a ban on religious disagreement. I am saying that you can disagree with America; you can disagree with me, but don’t burn the one symbol that holds us together. That’s not an act of speech. They say that is symbolic speech, but I think that is a destructive act. It’s the one thing that unites us.

Yet when it comes to regulating what individual churches may do, or what individual citizens may do under the guise under religion, you are not going to be able to write a constitutional amendment to ban those practices. There is no way to do that. I wish we could hold people accountable for their actions, but under free speech, you can’t.

— Robert Costa is a political reporter for National Review.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
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1 posted on 04/04/2011 2:24:35 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Who is Linseed's boyfriend these days?
2 posted on 04/04/2011 2:28:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("...crush the bourgeoisie... between the millstones of taxation and inflation." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: neverdem
What is your reaction to Sen. Graham's comments seeming to call for free speech restrictions?
3 posted on 04/04/2011 2:29:11 PM PDT by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem
General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning.

Mrs. Graham, that's why the Founders, in their great wisdom, chose to have our laws made by elected representantives rather than military commanders. If Lindsey wants a military dictatorship, I'm sure she'll be well-received at her new home in Pakistan.

4 posted on 04/04/2011 2:29:18 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: neverdem

I would love to see Mark Steyn debate Lindsey.What a slaughter that would be.


5 posted on 04/04/2011 2:29:33 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: neverdem
When Linda runs out of Midol it's not pretty.
6 posted on 04/04/2011 2:29:41 PM PDT by JPG ("2012 Can't Come Soon Enough" - Sarah Palin)
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To: neverdem
General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning.

First off, Petraeus has NO business condemning a private citizen exercising free political speech on American soil. He is way out of line and has apparently forgotten that part of his oath about defending the U.S. Constitution.

Next, Goober needs to put his fascist shovel down before he digs himself any deeper into his hole.

Moron.

7 posted on 04/04/2011 2:31:18 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: neverdem

There is no defense for your seditious moral equivalence, Graham. Resign now. You’re a disgrace.


8 posted on 04/04/2011 2:31:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: neverdem
NRO: But don’t you understand the concerns about a U.S. senator determining the limits of free speech?

GRAHAM: Not really.

This exchange shows why Lindsey Graham is not fit to hold public office. End of story.

9 posted on 04/04/2011 2:31:28 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: neverdem

General Petraeus said. If this is important enough to him to issue a statement, then it ought to be important enough for us in government to listen to what he has to say.

Petraeus is a commander in the military, luckily America is not yet run by the military. However, I want be surprised at any moment to hear an announcement stating we are now under military rule.


10 posted on 04/04/2011 2:31:38 PM PDT by buck61 ( making)
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To: neverdem

Shut up pussy.


11 posted on 04/04/2011 2:31:43 PM PDT by IbJensen (Grab your pitchforks!)
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To: neverdem

The only reasonable explanation for this is that the Carolina Weeping Pansy has no principles.


12 posted on 04/04/2011 2:31:58 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: neverdem

Welcome to the generation of illiterate and ill-informed grads.

If Obama (and his wrecking crew) gets his way there will be no America.

Free speech being limited to promote Islam and leave it’s growth unabated?

“Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult. Larger than that though, it is a political system, it is it’s own government, a economic system (which includes funding new mosque construction), it’s judicial…all wrapped up in the word sharia. This is inclusive of its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent …and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is an invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.

This is not a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. The Koran’s Sharia rules are to consume whatever government there is wherever it goes. Islam is political, and it’s goal is to supplant and replace. Globally.”

Supplant and replace? That is a direct threat to the American constitution.

Innocent religion? ~~~ NOT!


13 posted on 04/04/2011 2:32:33 PM PDT by himno hero ("armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"...Barrack Obama)
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To: neverdem

Graham hiding behind Petraeus’ skirts.

Clearly our mission to win the hearts and minds of barbarians is failing. It was doomed to failure from the start.

we don’t overcome our enemies by restraining ourselves, we overcome our enemies by making sure they fear us.

The General is willing to carry the water for the fool in the oval office and it seems Graham is a willing accomplice.


14 posted on 04/04/2011 2:32:43 PM PDT by Carley (UNION AGITATORS, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: neverdem

Did anyone bother to tell old switch hitter gramnesty, that the Constitution says the peoples representatives set policy and law and not some halfass general, talking above his pay grade. If I were his boss the good general would be headed for retirement. He has already lost this war it is just a matter of admitting it.


15 posted on 04/04/2011 2:34:24 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: neverdem

Mr./Miss/Mrs Graham, How many Americans and others were killed by Muslims before the Koran went Krispy??


16 posted on 04/04/2011 2:35:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Thane_Banquo
General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning.

We could burn jihadis instead.

17 posted on 04/04/2011 2:35:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: neverdem

i may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death, your right to say it.

or defend to your death, your right to say it.

or don’t say it.

t


18 posted on 04/04/2011 2:36:40 PM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

right on.


19 posted on 04/04/2011 2:37:03 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Who is Linseed’s boyfriend these days?

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Wasn’t it obvious? General Petraeus. I forced myself to read Graham’s replies. He is so far up the bung hole of Betray us - it makes me wanna puke.


20 posted on 04/04/2011 2:37:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: neverdem

Lindsey is completely incoherent here.

Some sort of advanced gay dementia seems to have set in.

Time for the old girl to retire to Fire Island or something.


21 posted on 04/04/2011 2:37:47 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: neverdem
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22 posted on 04/04/2011 2:38:23 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: neverdem
What an incoherent statement.

Can't tell if he still wants to ban Koran burning or not. Hiding behind "protect the troops" won't work.

Guess the heat over his loony, Muslim-pandering is too much and he (or his handlers) felt he had to say something. Don't think this will help him any. When can the good people of South Carolina get rid of this guy?

Gotta love Mark Steyn. Looks like he is singlehandedly gonna end Lindsey's career. Next I suppose will be Senate action to ban/deport Mark Steyn.

23 posted on 04/04/2011 2:38:23 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: neverdem

What a loser - his response isn’t a response, its muddle of a politicians reply.


24 posted on 04/04/2011 2:38:41 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: neverdem

He exhibits a fundamental inability to display logic in this interview. I thought the sweetest taste was when specter went down. Methinks defeating his ability to impose his will on the American people come next election will he sooooooo much sweeter.


25 posted on 04/04/2011 2:39:37 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Boycott Made In China Garbage)
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To: neverdem

what a pansy this guy is. and so is Petraeus if he has no frickin clue what the CONSTITUTION says.

Petraeus should level those pieces of crap over there? kill one of our guys???? we’ll kill 5 of yours.


26 posted on 04/04/2011 2:40:26 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: neverdem

Christians and Americans have officially been made second class citizens.


27 posted on 04/04/2011 2:40:26 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: neverdem

Free speech is free speech. Speech that is regulated is not free, Mr Graham. Terry Jones is free to burn the Koran, as long as it is HIS Koran. Burning the American flag or any other flag is also Constitutionally protected free speech. So is, sad to say, peacefully assembling to protest funerals. We don’t have to agree with it, but the moment you restrict anyone’s free speech, no matter how offensive, you have taken the right from everyone.


28 posted on 04/04/2011 2:40:57 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: neverdem

Ban free speech and the collectivist/muslims have won.


29 posted on 04/04/2011 2:41:06 PM PDT by lurk
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NRO: But don’t you understand the concerns about a U.S. senator determining the limits of free speech?

GRAHAM: Not really.




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30 posted on 04/04/2011 2:41:31 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: neverdem

When do the voters of SC get a crack at this slug next? Tomorrow wouldn’t be soon enough for me.


31 posted on 04/04/2011 2:42:18 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: neverdem

The only worst thing that Graham could do besides being a senator is to be appointed to a Federal court.


32 posted on 04/04/2011 2:43:29 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: buck61
However, I want be surprised at any moment to hear an announcement stating we are now under military rule.

The President commits our military to action without consulting anyone at all now. Isn't that the definition of a military junta?

33 posted on 04/04/2011 2:43:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Huskrrrr

GRAHAM: General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning...

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And when Betray us sends out an order prohibiting the Army from burning any more BIBLES - then I’ll lower my level of contempt and disgust for this (insert favorite expletive here).

Until then - he can KMA.


34 posted on 04/04/2011 2:43:57 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: neverdem

If General Petraeus truly did urge the government to ban quran burning, then I have an issue with the General. I respect him I admire him. He’s a patriot. But he’s wrong that the government needs to intervene. I don’t see him speaking out about the ROE that are endangering the safety of our troops. Ones as dangerous as the other, IMHO.

I haven’t served. So I will accept correction on that last point.


35 posted on 04/04/2011 2:44:08 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: Huskrrrr

GRAHAM: General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning...

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And when Betray us sends out an order prohibiting the Army from burning any more BIBLES - then I’ll lower my level of contempt and disgust for this (insert favorite expletive here).

Until then - he can KMA.


36 posted on 04/04/2011 2:44:50 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: JPG

(*snort*) That was funny.


37 posted on 04/04/2011 2:45:47 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: neverdem
If I had my way, that wouldn’t be free speech. So there are a lot of things under the guise of free speech that I think are harmful and hateful.

That's the kind of thinking that inspired the founders to specifically protect our free speech from politicans like you.

Specifically and clearly.

38 posted on 04/04/2011 2:47:12 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: neverdem
At the risk of stating the obvious, if Muslims see America censor it's own citizens by making burning the Koran illegal, they will have won.

They will then proceed to riot the next time a public figure makes a critical remark about Islam. With the precedent set, American will proceed to make it illegal to make public criticisms of Islam. After all, if you say something bad about Islam, then OBVIOUSLY you are the one responsible for the dozens of innocent deaths from rampaging Muslims that result. And then will come the next step, and the next...

And so we will be enslaved to Islam, without even a battle being fought.

39 posted on 04/04/2011 2:47:12 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Liberty, not License. Freedom, not Slavery.)
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To: neverdem

The terrorist have won from some of the comments on this forum, free speech has been thrown under the bus, no longer worth fighting for nor dying for.

As for me I would like to establish a BURN A KORAN DAY, on July 4, 2011


40 posted on 04/04/2011 2:48:10 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: BuckeyeTexan

If General Petraeus truly did urge the government to ban quran burning, then I have an issue with the General. I respect him I admire him. He’s a patriot....

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Are you forgetting this is the same General who ordered that Bibles be burned so as not to offend the muzzies? This is the same General who supports the repal of DADT - therefore supports having gays in the military.

Eff this jack-off. He should be relieved of command.


41 posted on 04/04/2011 2:48:58 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"He is way out of line and has apparently forgotten that part of his oath about defending the U.S. Constitution."

This is what happens when even a good military leader gets too friendly with totalitarian scum. The filth is bound to rub off.

42 posted on 04/04/2011 2:49:22 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: neverdem

Yikes! What a slippery slope argument! That’s why I never bought into the anti-flag burning amendment, because what’s next? I guess we have an answer to that right here.


43 posted on 04/04/2011 2:50:03 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: neverdem; All

“General Petraeus sent a statement out to all news organizations yesterday, urging our government to ban Koran burning”

I haven’t seen this statement.
Can someone locate it?


44 posted on 04/04/2011 2:50:11 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: neverdem

Lindsey, you are a wuss. So, our enemy will be made a protected class? You can kill them, just don’t burn their book!

Outlaw Koran burning and you will see a lot more Koran burning, guaranteed.


45 posted on 04/04/2011 2:53:04 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Throw away your papers, blow up your TV...and set yourself free.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Who is Linseed’s boyfriend these days? “

Any chickie-boy with a buttbore > a .410 shell!


46 posted on 04/04/2011 2:54:49 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: smoothsailing

I think a SC townhall meeting is in order and he presented with 3,000 krispy korans. Then let him explain why the new ROE are not a problem with him. This isn’t about the troops but caving to the enemy. If it were about our troops, the DADT wouldn’t have been repealed.


47 posted on 04/04/2011 2:56:03 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Carley; All

Graham hiding behind Petraeus’ skirts.

Clearly our mission to win the hearts and minds of barbarians is failing. It was doomed to failure from the start.

we don’t overcome our enemies by restraining ourselves, we overcome our enemies by making sure they fear us.

The General is willing to carry the water for the fool in the oval office and it seems Graham is a willing accomplice


Good post....

Petraeus needs to be Court-Martialed for his statements....that was giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Lindsey needs to be impeached for supporting Islamic Terrorism....and his supporters need to be outed


48 posted on 04/04/2011 2:56:03 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Donald Trump wants Obama's BC released...Glenn Beck attacks Birthers....Now, who is supporting Obama)
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To: TigersEye

The President commits our military to action without consulting anyone at all now. Isn’t that the definition of a military junta?

Point well taken. Thanks for the re.


49 posted on 04/04/2011 2:56:06 PM PDT by buck61 ( making)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ok. Consider me appropriately thumped on the top of the head.


50 posted on 04/04/2011 2:58:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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