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Boehner to introduce one-week stopgap to stave off shutdown (Pelosi had more of a pair)
The Hill ^ | 04/04/11 | Molly K. Hooper and Russell Berman

Posted on 04/04/2011 8:17:40 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy

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To: Siena Dreaming

i hope i am wrong. let’s hear your counter point. but i call them as i see them.


51 posted on 04/04/2011 8:53:56 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: onyx

I think we are on the same page. I see it as strategic. The left is unglued about Libya, after already being unglued about Iraq & Afghanistan. So, now Boehner is going to force mandatory spending on the DoD, but not the rest of government, to gauge what is really important to the left. I know I am not doing a good job of explaining, but, a couple of Tweets during the game laid it out well, though I cannot remember which ones now.


52 posted on 04/04/2011 8:53:58 PM PDT by sybilll
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To: Fantasywriter
I want an actual budget

Why do they not have time to make areal budget?

What is largely misunderstood is that Paul Ryan IS introducing a budget tomorrow...for 2012. And that is this Congress' responsbility.

The Continuing Resolutions are another topic. The reason the GOP Congress is having to pass those to keep the Gov't open THIS YEAR is that the Dems DID NOT pass a 2011 budget.

53 posted on 04/04/2011 8:56:12 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming
Too many people here deceived into thinking a Gov't shutdown means "we win" or something.

Too many are deceived into thinking a "government shutdown" means "government shutdown". It means nothing of the sort. It's an empty threat the GOP is forced to take seriously because of their inability to counter Democrat lies.

54 posted on 04/04/2011 8:57:44 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

There’s always an excuse to keep on funding Obamacare. Always.


55 posted on 04/04/2011 8:58:20 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: dadfly
Read post #53.

Boehner is neither dumb nor afraid.

Simply put, he is having to do the business now of what the Dems failed to do last year...thus the Continuing Resolutions.

However, as far as this Congress's responsibilities go...they is about to unveil major cuts in their 2012 budget tomorrow.

56 posted on 04/04/2011 9:00:58 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming; Southack; princess leah

Boy it’s really been cool that Boehner staffers have been posting on the thread tonight..


57 posted on 04/04/2011 9:02:03 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (The Obama beat down of America continues)
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To: Fantasywriter
There’s always an excuse to keep on funding Obamacare.

Won't need an excuse when the SC strikes it down.

58 posted on 04/04/2011 9:02:12 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

if that’s all you got. it doesn’t fly. sorry.


59 posted on 04/04/2011 9:02:12 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: hatfieldmccoy

i forget, what was the point of the election?


60 posted on 04/04/2011 9:02:13 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (If your PC is running slowly then it will be easy to catch.)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

Ha. That’s all you’ve got instead of logic? Pretending I’m a Boehner staffer? What a laugh.


61 posted on 04/04/2011 9:03:45 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: dadfly
it doesn’t fly. sorry

Got any reasons other than knee-jerk?

62 posted on 04/04/2011 9:04:27 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

It’s already been ruled unconstitutional. When a hack judge in WI ruled for spurious reasons—with a massive conflict of interest—against Walker, he stopped implementing his legally passed law. Pelosi broke rules with both the passage and the contents of Obamacare. Then it was ruled unconstitutional.

But the funding and implementation go on.

Haven’t seen Boehner lifting a finger to stop it.


63 posted on 04/04/2011 9:04:50 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Siena Dreaming; onyx

Waiting for the screams from the Democrats tomorrow...


64 posted on 04/04/2011 9:05:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Siena Dreaming

a friendly suggestion. study poker and the art of negotiation.


65 posted on 04/04/2011 9:05:53 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Fantasywriter

Like I said...all excuses end when the SC strikes it down.


66 posted on 04/04/2011 9:06:07 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: dadfly
a friendly suggestion.

Right. You still have no logical argument.

67 posted on 04/04/2011 9:07:12 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Fantasywriter; Siena Dreaming
It’s already been ruled unconstitutional.

Well , it's good to see that you are on top of things.

68 posted on 04/04/2011 9:08:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Waiting for the screams from the Democrats tomorrow

Yes, it is going to be an interesting few weeks ahead.

69 posted on 04/04/2011 9:08:42 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: hatfieldmccoy

You’re an idiot for calling me a Boehner staffer. And a liar.

Grow up.


70 posted on 04/04/2011 9:10:11 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Siena Dreaming

The damage Obama & Co will have done by then is incalculable.


71 posted on 04/04/2011 9:10:57 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Siena Dreaming

..........Sir, you leave out an important few words, to wit:...........”many conservatives think that UNDER THE APOCALYPTIC Circumstances we are in it is better to NOT borrow ANY MORE MONEY and apportion out on a priority basis the 2.5 trillion in income the government has”........

This decidely IS NOT “shutting the government down”...the government will go on no matter what..........just on a much reduced basis.

you are just repeating the favorite Dimocratic talking point when you even use the words “shut the Gov’t. down”.............thats a DIM/MSM co-operative scare tactic and you are, for the most part, on the wrong forum to be repeating Dim talking points and scare tactics.............

Basically, most of us are not smoking anything and never have. We’re just tired of the damn government destroying our kids and grandkids future by borrowing trillions and printing worthless trillions while using the scare tactic of “shut the gov’t down”..............!!!!! The feds should be permanently enjoined by Constitutional edict from borrowing money without a super majority in both houses.


72 posted on 04/04/2011 9:12:50 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What’s your point?


73 posted on 04/04/2011 9:12:50 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Southack

Hmmm, a little sensitive here.. so when did you stop beating your wife?


74 posted on 04/04/2011 9:14:32 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (The Obama beat down of America continues)
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To: Siena Dreaming
For some reason many conservatives think it would be better to shut the Gov't down.

Because it advances our (the right's) interests even if it doesn't advance us politically.

Do you know why the left always wins? Because they think long term. They always move the debate in their direction. They demand a mile, we give them a yard. Before the ink is dry on the compromise, they start demanding two miles.

They are the Borg. They never quit pushing. And until we adopt their tactics of demanding the ultra- radical and settling for the radical, we'll continue to lose as we have for 100 years.

You want to be a winner, do what the winners do.

75 posted on 04/04/2011 9:14:42 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: hatfieldmccoy
“We’re serious about trying to prevent a government shutdown. We’re also serious about cutting spending," he told reporters after a meeting of the GOP conference on Monday evening.

Unfortunately, they are not serious about governing...

76 posted on 04/04/2011 9:14:43 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: hatfieldmccoy
Boehner told GOP lawmakers attending a closed-door conference meeting that he needed “leverage” going into a meeting with President Obama and Senate Democratic leaders at the White House on Tuesday morning, a lawmaker told The Hill.

Boner... Obama is going to kick your *ss every which way from Sunday. He is vastly smarter and vastly more political that you'll ever be. You've been had, sir. Please go a way...

77 posted on 04/04/2011 9:16:32 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: dadfly

I can be patient like the old bull and young bull at the top of the hill joke.

We need a budget that starts trimming everything. The trend to more and bigger deficits needs to be reversed quickly. If it takes another week or so to do that with respect for our obligations, so be it.

But what I am getting pxssed about is me (the little guy) paying more in taxes than these multi-natl corporations and banks that we bailed out, and who are now making billions in profits. As a small business guy semi-retired I’m tired of being a sap to those corps. who are as much in bed with the commies in China as our country. As a businessman I can tell you that deficits come at ya from both ways.


78 posted on 04/04/2011 9:16:43 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Conservatism is about putting the USA first, not international bankers and corporations)
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To: hatfieldmccoy
It takes Obama only two years to rack up a $6 trillion deficit and the best the GOP can do is cut $5 trillion OVER TEN YEARS?!?!?!?! Why even bother with these fools...
79 posted on 04/04/2011 9:19:18 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

80 posted on 04/04/2011 9:20:49 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: princess leah
This is just pre-show and they are proving the point that DEMS dont’ care about cutting spending - Isn’t it about time we supported these guys instead of always criticizing them when they don’t jump up and down and fix IT ALL at once. The reality is that we are still in the minority in the senate and they need incrementally to stir the pot. It took much longer than 3 months to get our debt to this point, it will take a whole lot longer to begin to draw it down.

Funny! I always thought the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES controlled the purse strings of government...

81 posted on 04/04/2011 9:21:03 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: onyx
Our House Bill with the riders or shut your damn government down?

Your words, not Boehners...

82 posted on 04/04/2011 9:21:55 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Siena Dreaming

ok.

1. america as we know it is dead. were in the 2nd great depression by all metrics. the tea party and conservatives decide to roll the dice one more time. we all work not stop for two years.

2. the result. you win an election (despite the efforts by the repubican party) by the biggest margin since the 30s (the last great depression under rosevelt).

3. you go into the lame duck showing a powerful hand of cards. the only thing obama can do is play your personality. you fold. he wins.

4. you appoint the good old boys (upton, rogers, etc). you ignore the tea party and conservative wing. in fact, you dis them. obama sees it’s game on as usual.

5. your first three months. you anti. you pass. you pass. you fold.

poker is mathematical (you calculate the odds if your able. i being a math major, calculate the odds). but far more important is to study your opponent(s) at the table. that’s what wins.


83 posted on 04/04/2011 9:23:44 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: crusher

You have defined the evolution of a new political party depending on how long the Constitution holds out.


84 posted on 04/04/2011 9:23:47 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
I love people like you. Sure, I sometimes feel a *teensy* bit bad about betting on the fall, but you & your allies make it so easy that it's really hard to resist.

Question: are you purposely advocating policies that ensure our national destruction or are you simply clueless/unaware as to what you're promoting?

In the end, it really doesn't matter. Math, and the inexorable toll of reality, namely the 2nd law, provides a clear path of the future for anyone who cares to look.

85 posted on 04/04/2011 9:23:51 PM PDT by semantic
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To: hatfieldmccoy

I like this on two counts. First, it funds the military for the rest of the year. It is absurd to drag the military funding through this process. We should have passed the defense appropriation a long time ago — if we wanted to cut it, I’m sure the democrats would have gone along.

Second, it’s got more spending cuts, so it’s not like we are going back to the higher spending.

Once the military has secured funding, we will be safer with a shutdown.


86 posted on 04/04/2011 9:25:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: hatfieldmccoy

If they do shut the government down, Vacationer-in-Chief will just think that means he can take another vacation until it re-opens.


87 posted on 04/04/2011 9:27:07 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: hatfieldmccoy
"...that he needed “leverage” going into a meeting with President Obama and Senate Democratic leaders at the White House on Tuesday morning, a lawmaker told The Hill. "

Yep! Old bonerhead really needs leverage.

It's tough, at his age, to get off his knees, slam his butt-cheeks shut, and stop crying after meeting the marxists face-to-face!

88 posted on 04/04/2011 9:29:39 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: TomGuy
In all this commentary there is no mention of the riders passed in the original House 2011 Budget bill. What is the fate of PP, NPR, Obamacare, EPA - all more important to this conservative than the budget reduction.
89 posted on 04/04/2011 9:30:13 PM PDT by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: TomGuy
In all this commentary there is no mention of the riders passed in the original House 2011 Budget bill. What is the fate of PP, NPR, Obamacare, EPA - all more important to this conservative than the budget reduction.
90 posted on 04/04/2011 9:30:28 PM PDT by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: dadfly
Nice - see my #85. At some level, you really gotta wonder if they've all got the Gulf Streams gassed up and waiting.

We're facing the greatest existential crisis since 1776, (surpassing even 1861), and we've got people ostensibly representing citizens who either (a) don't get it; or (b) more than get it.

More & more, I'm tending towards 'b'. Is Boner trying to tell us something, like wink, wink, nudge, nudge? How else can one explain such actions?

91 posted on 04/04/2011 9:31:10 PM PDT by semantic
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

THe democrats want us to shoot our own troops in the back over a partial-year budget that in any normal time would have already been in the books before we got here. It’s ALMOST LIKE they purposely failed to pass a budget, just so they could get us sniping at each other.

What other excuse could there be for them NOT to pass a full-year budget in the lame-duck session? It would have been easy to do, they had their filibuster-proof majority in the senate, and it’s not like those who lost the election were worried about losing a second time.

No, I think they left it so they could do exactly what they are doing now, trying to divide and conquer, to get the tea party to turn against the republicans, and vice versa, and maybe to blame the TP for a shutdown (which if we have attacked the republican leadership enough, they might well decide is their best option).


92 posted on 04/04/2011 9:33:54 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: triumphant values
Do you know why the left always wins?

Yeah...they sure did halt those Bush tax cuts now didn't they...

Oh, and they sure got us out of Iraq and Afganistan like they wanted didn't they...

Oh, and wow...did you see all those seats they won in Congress last election....

And I hear Guantanamo's closed... Yup...they ALWAYS win.

93 posted on 04/04/2011 9:35:00 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: hatfieldmccoy; Southack
Hmmm, a little sensitive here.. so when did you stop beating your wife?

Southack's right...you ARE an idiot.

94 posted on 04/04/2011 9:35:59 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: dadfly

I don’t want the military to get caught in the crossfire of the budget shutdown. So I’d like them to solve that problem, and it sounds like Boehner has a plan to do that with this 1-week CR.

We are supposedly winning the discussion. The longer this drags on, with the republicans doing things like this to keep government going, and the democrats screaming “shutdown” and complaining and offering nothing, the stronger our position gets.

That is, so long as the tea party doesn’t abandon the fight to “prove a point”.


95 posted on 04/04/2011 9:36:11 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: semantic

yes. i understand. how can he be such a fool? (i.e., self mislead). the alternative is he’s just very, very afraid he’ll do something wrong (again “fear is the mind killer”).

what we all know is that if you do something that turns out to be wrong (after your best preparation). the seeds are most often there to rise again. but if you do nothing. if you take no risk. you must lose (i.e., stagnate in the status quo which i think we agree is a “dead” america).


96 posted on 04/04/2011 9:37:25 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: dadfly
5. your first three months. you anti. you pass. you pass. you fold.

Nonsense.

97 posted on 04/04/2011 9:37:41 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The Democrats want a SHUTDOWN on the small stuff!!!"
The rat asses want a shutdown on anything, so they and the L/MSM can spin it all as the Repubs fault.
98 posted on 04/04/2011 9:39:44 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Fantasywriter

he past a bill that cut it, but the senate rejected it. Boehner can’t make the senate vote for something.


99 posted on 04/04/2011 9:39:50 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
It’s ALMOST LIKE they purposely failed to pass a budget, just so they could get us sniping at each other

Not ALMOST...that's EXACTLY why they didn't pass it.

So those unaware of what's going on would attack the GOP leadership just as they do on FR.

100 posted on 04/04/2011 9:39:54 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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