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Atheist soldiers want recognition at NC army post
WVEC.com ^ | April 1, 2011 | WVEC.com

Posted on 04/05/2011 10:54:19 AM PDT by UndauntedR

Edited on 04/05/2011 2:24:52 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- A group of religious non-believers at Fort Bragg is pushing for the U.S. military to make sure they get the same treatment as religious groups.

Soldiers at the post have filed paperwork seeking recognition for their group, called Military Atheists and Secular Humanists. They want to hold meetings at the base, work with the Army's chaplains and have their gatherings listed in a bulletin of religious services.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; bragg; fortbragg; military; secularhumanists; soldiers
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1 posted on 04/05/2011 10:54:25 AM PDT by UndauntedR
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To: UndauntedR
I don't understand. What are they going to meet about?

I would think the whole benefit of not believing would be the ability to sleep in on Sunday morning and not have to go to meetings.

2 posted on 04/05/2011 10:59:58 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: UndauntedR
He could always go with the HUMANIST(AMERICAN HUMANIST ASSOCIATION)


3 posted on 04/05/2011 10:59:58 AM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: UndauntedR
They could just discharge them from the service, to enjoy their specialness in civilian life.
4 posted on 04/05/2011 11:00:49 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: UndauntedR
See? Atheism is a Religion, they just freaking admitted it! If you are not religious DONT GO TO THE SERVICES!!!!
5 posted on 04/05/2011 11:01:44 AM PDT by KC_Lion (America is on the Brink of War with itself, and no one seems to notice or care.)
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To: UndauntedR
A group of religious non-believers...

Huh? Shut up and train.

6 posted on 04/05/2011 11:02:31 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: UndauntedR
One word:
Foxhole.

7 posted on 04/05/2011 11:05:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: Jim from C-Town
What are they going to meet about?

About how their "rights" are being violated by Christians in the military and how to restrict religious liberty among military personnel so they will no longer have to be "discriminated" against?

8 posted on 04/05/2011 11:10:11 AM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: UndauntedR

How can they defend their and our God given rights if they don’t believe in God? Time for a new career.


9 posted on 04/05/2011 11:10:32 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: UndauntedR
Atheist soldiers? Nothing new, no big deal.

Filing papers to get special recognition? The soldiers are, I suspect, being used.

Someone who hates the military (and America) is likely behind this.

Who, one wonders?

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10 posted on 04/05/2011 11:14:28 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: UndauntedR

Obviously not combat soldiers. If they were they would not be athiest. A better idea would be to change their MOS to combat ready. There that fixes the problem.


11 posted on 04/05/2011 11:15:17 AM PDT by MCCC
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To: UndauntedR
Yet another difference between the US Army and the US Marine Corps.

This sort of thing would get your ass kicked in the 'Corps.

This is not a criticism, just an acknowledgement that the US Army is traditionally made up of citizen soldiers. Namely, where the draftees go in times of conscription.

I personally believe that there ought to be a broader tolerance in the US Army of these fundamental freedoms, meaning that the US Army is where the atheists and Wiccans and homosexuals who choose to serve their country belong, in addition to the average Joe and Jane from Main Street USA. The US Army was originally intended to be comprised mainly of regional brigades assembled from the average citizen at least minimally fit for military service.

Understand clearly, however, this 'minimally-fit' criteria has no place in the Marine Corps.

12 posted on 04/05/2011 11:15:37 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: UndauntedR

Wha ...?

What’s to discuss if you have no beliefs? Sports? Weather?


13 posted on 04/05/2011 11:16:28 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Actually, I know a number of atheist marines... 3 to be exact.


14 posted on 04/05/2011 11:18:24 AM PDT by UndauntedR
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To: UndauntedR
Jason Torpy is the president of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers.

Gotta love the dig they take at those outside their own religion.

15 posted on 04/05/2011 11:23:12 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: UndauntedR
work with the Army's chaplains and have their gatherings listed in a bulletin of religious services.

Uh... you're atheists. You have no "religious services."

16 posted on 04/05/2011 11:23:21 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until Fri, Jan 20, 2017.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

They simply are NOT “a”theists.

They are God haters - ANTItheists.

They absolutely HATE Christians in particular.


17 posted on 04/05/2011 11:25:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: newzjunkey

In the Armed Forces EXCEPT the National Guard (Army or Air)

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

How did they recite this? Sounds like dishonorable discharge time.


18 posted on 04/05/2011 11:26:23 AM PDT by MCCC
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To: UndauntedR
Maybe I am different but being on the receiving end of hostile fire in Iraq strengthened my belief in God which has not diminished since coming home. I expect to get some fire from atheist over this but so what.
19 posted on 04/05/2011 11:26:39 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: MrB

They are anti-Christian. They never have any problems with Muslims.


20 posted on 04/05/2011 11:26:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: The KG9 Kid
This sort of thing would get your ass kicked in the 'Corps.
Marines "taking care" of their own!
Semper Fi ...
21 posted on 04/05/2011 11:27:42 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: UndauntedR; The KG9 Kid
Actually, I know a number of atheist marines... 3 to be exact.

But would any of the 3 atheist marines that you know allow themselves to be used as a tool of some anti-religion group by filing papers to try to force the USMC to recognize an Athiest group alongside other religious groups and get athiest "chaplains" to lead them in their athiestic religious observations and ceremonies? At the risk of speaking for the KG9 Kid, from the context of his post I inferred that he was asserting that this type of activity -- not one's choice to be an athiest -- is the type of thing that would get you an ass-whupping in the Marines.

22 posted on 04/05/2011 11:28:55 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“I don’t understand. What are they going to meet about?”

Nothing.


23 posted on 04/05/2011 11:28:55 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: dfwgator

I’m really surprised that more prominent people don’t point this out about the “atheists” and secular humanists. They don’t hate on any of the other religions in the world except Christ followers primarily, and the chosen people of God (Jews) secondarily.

There really are only two sides in the cosmic battle,
and they are chosing to oppose God.

I guess they can’t read Who wins.


24 posted on 04/05/2011 11:31:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: UndauntedR

That is th eproblem when the Military began to worry about Diversity and letting therry thudpucker kiss their partner and not be discriminated against for such unnatural acts... When the Military decided there was more than Protestant ,Catholic, Jew-or nothing at all—NOW the freakin inmates is running the assylum Next thing you know Shariah Law will be the topic of interest for our Military Courts-”why —According to allah “Everybody must get stoned”


25 posted on 04/05/2011 11:32:26 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Goes back to a Christian based concert a few months back. The Military OKed it and it was held - funded by donations.

The Atheists got all bent out of shape and said they wanted their own concert - the Military said fine go ahead - and the concert fell through for lack of funding.

Ever since then the Atheists have been all bent out of shape wanting the Post to OK it - and fund it.


26 posted on 04/05/2011 11:33:29 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: MrB
They absolutely HATE Christians in particular.

Agree 100%. I was in the Air Force with a guy like this. He'd mock Christians, destroy fliers, etc..., and then call himself smart for eschewing God.

This was almost 25 years ago. I caught up with him about a year ago on Facebook. He's still the same petty juvenile he was then. Same snarky comments, same disdain.

I asked him if he was so willing to mock other religions in public (Islam, in particular). No dice, they're different.

Pathetic.

27 posted on 04/05/2011 11:33:44 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: UndauntedR
I'm sure there's lots more atheists in the Marine Corps than just the ones you know. No, no. I didn't mean that religion is a requirement for the 'Corps.

I so mean to express that a Marine petitioning for his Atheist club on some US Navy bulletin board at the chapel is going to get squared away like a big dog.

28 posted on 04/05/2011 11:35:03 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: UndauntedR
I don't get it. They are atheists yet want to be listed as a religious group and work with chaplains. Why?
29 posted on 04/05/2011 11:35:40 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Gotta love the dig they take at those outside their own religion.

The term "freethinker," in this context, is centuries old.

30 posted on 04/05/2011 11:38:31 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until Fri, Jan 20, 2017.)
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To: UndauntedR

This is just another part of the DADT bull**** timebomb getting ready to go off and destroy our military. If it is important for these maggots to be recognized as being a bunch of godless bastards, this old dogface feels they should go look somewhere else to find that recognition. Try the Nobel committee. I’m sure the military will survive without them being in the racks. I’d be willing to bet a dollar to a donut that 99.9% of this crowd are homosexuals and pedophiles anyway. Flame away!


31 posted on 04/05/2011 11:38:41 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How's that Keynesian economics working out for ya so far?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I can almost guarantee with very few exceptions that the closest the military personnel in this group get to anything like a foxhole is hiding under their desks.
32 posted on 04/05/2011 11:38:51 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: UndauntedR

Meeting?? What do they want to meet about—nothing? Sounds like they want a religious service to me.


33 posted on 04/05/2011 11:40:34 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I thought it was universally accepted that April 1 (April fools day) was their day.


34 posted on 04/05/2011 11:42:36 AM PDT by BaylorDad (I can't always buy American, but when I can, it's not UAW!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“I don’t understand. What are they going to meet about?”

Attacking religion...what else...

The non-belief belief system....

IMHO secular humanists are a danger to the integrity of the military...

Of course so is the LGBT push...

The American citizen volunteer military is under attack from the radical left in order to aid the world wide left and render America’s military impotent...


35 posted on 04/05/2011 11:43:27 AM PDT by Crim
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To: jesseam

Thank you for your service.

When I went in the Navy in 1969 there was one guy who had “no preference” put on his dog tag. None of us bugged him about it but the Company Commander did not particularly approve. Plus, when we had the chance to go home at Christmas or stay in the barracks, he was the only one who chose to stay. This meant the CC had to stay, too. He was one pissed off First Class Petty Officer. To him the %$^^*($ @@@$$#$%% atheist made him work on Christmas!

Reminds me of a story about Jerry Lee Lewis told to me by his first drummer. They were all on a bus out in the middle of nowhere at about 3 in the morning when one of the men on the bus said he was an atheist. Jerry Lee kicked him off the bus.


36 posted on 04/05/2011 11:46:32 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: UndauntedR

They want to work with the chaplains???? Chaplains are clergymen who by definition are religious. What stupidity.


37 posted on 04/05/2011 11:48:50 AM PDT by cblue55 (Envisioning when all that is left is the right.)
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To: Seaplaner

Someone who hates the military (and America) is likely behind this.

Who, one wonders?
____________

Mikey Weinstein or Michael Newdow, no doubt. Because, you know, THIS is the major issue facing our military at this time. /s

Colonel, USAFR


38 posted on 04/05/2011 11:53:20 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: UndauntedR

Groups that go around demanding “recognition” piss me off. They’re all attention whores.


39 posted on 04/05/2011 11:53:44 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: UndauntedR

How about Agnostic Services?

“So help me God”, in the oath does it mean we must kill for God? Well we kill for politics, economics, race and geography so its just another reason to have a war? We have an all volunteer military, and we have PC controlling it, and you are worried about atheists? If we put soldiers of different religious in a foxhole together, wouldn’t the atheist fight harder to stay alive? Atheist does not mean they are bad people because they do not believe. Its that they do not believe in what you believe. Religious “indoctrination” did not take for what ever reason. The official religion of the USA is what??? The official language of the USA is what? Get the picture? We are free to believe what ever we want to. Thank Odin! :o)


40 posted on 04/05/2011 11:54:34 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The storm clouds of war are on the horizon, 1939 is again approaching us.)
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Here’s a link to their page on meetup.com: http://www.meetup.com/MASHFortBragg/about/

I’d say that there shouldn’t be any obstacles to this group holding meetings at the base or their meetings being listed in a bulletin of ‘religious services’. If they need to petition for recognition in order to be allowed access to space and listings in military bulletins, they are right to do so.


41 posted on 04/05/2011 11:57:13 AM PDT by Behemothpanzer (You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.)
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To: Seaplaner
I believe this is a ploy to remove any recognition for all religions.
That is what atheists always go for.
42 posted on 04/05/2011 12:01:24 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax
I believe this is a ploy to remove any recognition for all religions. That is what atheists always go for.

As long as it removes recognition only for Christians, then they're happy.

43 posted on 04/05/2011 12:02:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SamuraiScot
How they going to discharge them for being atheists when they can't discharge a faggot? How they going to deny them the right to meet when they let Wicca and all the rest of those nut cases practice their religion? We have already given in to too much of this crap. besides a good hard dose of heavy combat usually separates the believers from the atheist.
44 posted on 04/05/2011 12:06:15 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: MCCC
Army Regulation 601-210, Active and Reserve Components Enlistment Program provides that: A commissioned officer of any service will administer the Oath of Enlistment in DD Form 4 orally, in English, to each application. Make a suitable arrangement to ensure that the oath is administered in a dignified manner and in proper surroundings. display the U.S. flag prominently near the officer giving the oath. The words "So help me God" may be omitted for persons who desire to affirm rather than to swear to the oath.
45 posted on 04/05/2011 12:10:01 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Jim from C-Town
I don't understand. What are they going to meet about?

Their belief in their disbelief. If approved that they are on equal footing with traditional beliefs, then the courts will have to disallow them use of public buildings as they do Christians. The argument that there is no God is premised on what evidence? There should go their feeble argument about Church and separation of state too.

46 posted on 04/05/2011 12:10:32 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: UndauntedR

They’re idiots, but I don’t have a problem with this.


47 posted on 04/05/2011 12:13:57 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: MCCC

“How did they recite this?”

The same way Quakers do.


49 posted on 04/05/2011 12:15:22 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: UndauntedR

The Double Unnatural?


50 posted on 04/05/2011 12:19:54 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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