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Federal Workers Union Sues White House Over Possible Government Shutdown
Fox News ^ | 4/5/2011 | fox news

Posted on 04/05/2011 6:32:15 PM PDT by tobyhill

With time running out for congressional leaders to reach a budget deal, the country's biggest federal workers union is taking the Obama administration to court for what it called a failure to explain how federal programs and services would be affected if there's a government shutdown.

The American Federation of Government Employees announced Tuesday that it filed a lawsuit in federal court last week seeking details on the shutdown plans of federal agencies.

The union's national president, John Gage, said he filed the lawsuit after the White House Office of Management and Budget failed to respond to a Freedom of Information Act request sent early last month.

Gage said public unions have been given very little information on how agencies would determine which employees are essential in the event of a government shutdown.

"It's not something that should be cavalierly handled," Gage said in a written statement. "If a shutdown goes on, there will be federal employees who are going to be hurt financially. They should know before the eve of a shutdown what is happening and it should be done orderly and not in a last-minute rush."

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KEYWORDS: afge; aflcio; foia; obama; omb; shutdown; unions

1 posted on 04/05/2011 6:32:18 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

For the first time in my adult life, I think America has become a great big ****in’ disgrace! What a joke!


2 posted on 04/05/2011 6:37:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How's that Keynesian economics working out for ya so far?)
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To: tobyhill

...”cavalierly” ,,,
Sheesh


3 posted on 04/05/2011 6:39:59 PM PDT by daku
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To: tobyhill

My heart pumps pee-pee for them!


4 posted on 04/05/2011 6:40:25 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

For the first time in my life I’m ashamed of this country. This angers my 89yo German mother. She says I don’t know how bad it can get.


5 posted on 04/05/2011 6:41:26 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

I can answer their question...how about the same number of workers needed on MLK’s Birthday, Presidents Day, and Veterans Day. With a little arm twisting we could reduce this number by 50%...geez?


6 posted on 04/05/2011 6:42:57 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yep. Whoever came up with the idea to allow government workers to unionize was an epic idiot.

Fire ALL Federal workers, ban unionization from public service positions forever, and rehire essential personnel from people who actually want to work for an honest day’s pay. At this point, I rather have a bunch of unemployed, hungry recent college grads running the government than the entrenched thugs we’ve got there now.


7 posted on 04/05/2011 6:43:27 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Funny you should say that. Earlier today I was thinking, “Put a fork in America, she’s done.”

I really want to be optimistic but am all but sure that our best days are behind us.


8 posted on 04/05/2011 6:43:36 PM PDT by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So the government workers will be hurt financially. Obviously that’s the main union concern, not the delivery of services to citizens.
I certainly don’t feel sorry for government workers that feel financial hardship since nearly all of us non-government works have experienced financial hardship for over two years. Where is it written that government workers are a protected class?


9 posted on 04/05/2011 6:45:10 PM PDT by RLM
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To: tobyhill
McDonald's is hiring.
10 posted on 04/05/2011 6:46:15 PM PDT by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: TSgt

The saddest part of the whole mess is that many of the maggots and morons now living in this country actually WANT America destroyed. It’s so unreal to me.


11 posted on 04/05/2011 6:46:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How's that Keynesian economics working out for ya so far?)
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To: tobyhill

All ‘Rats abandon ship!!!


12 posted on 04/05/2011 6:47:50 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: tobyhill

Oh, the irony.


13 posted on 04/05/2011 6:48:41 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Calusa

Shut down the government for a month and see if anyone who produces notices. The only thing they will notice is that they can continue growing the USA without the hassle of the various government drones and losers bothering them.

Hey, “unessentials”.......go pound sand!


14 posted on 04/05/2011 6:50:33 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: tobyhill
there will be federal employees who are going to be hurt financially

Are these same union a-holes concerned about Americans who have been hurt financially because of our governments actions on behalf of these poor union employees??

15 posted on 04/05/2011 6:53:52 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: hal ogen
BIG Rats
16 posted on 04/05/2011 7:01:35 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: Calusa

17 posted on 04/05/2011 7:02:50 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Many of these maggots and morons have never experienced true sacrifice and hardship. They have no historical reference to appreciate how good they have it now and the sacrifices that were made that ensured they would have it as good as they do. War is something that is on television that they protest while sipping on a latte’. If more money is needed you simply print it. Do whatever feels good, love everyone, don’t judge or be a hater. When is the next party and who won American Idol? Don’t bother me with defects or terrorism. Let’s vote for him because he’s cool.

I’m 34, far from an old fart and I can see it. A lost generation that is facilitating their own demise.

At least I’ve got a fighting chance because I see it coming and have lived on far less. I just fear for my son and the piss poor situation that the baby boomers and Generation X’ers are laying at his feet.


18 posted on 04/05/2011 7:05:28 PM PDT by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: Zeddicus
Fire ALL Federal workers,

Well, thanks for your support. I am one of those federal workers. I help keep the B-1B Lancer flying. I have done so for the past 22 years. Prior to that I was an Air Force flying officer for 15 years. So I have been sucking at the government teat for 37 years. I could be making twice as much working for a contractor, but I would feel a little guilty getting that pay for the same work.

P.S. I am emergency essential. I will work even if it is possible without pay. Did that when Clinton shut down the government. We did get paid, but unlike the nonessential workers we did not get an extra week paid vacation. I am not complaining, but those are the facts.

19 posted on 04/05/2011 7:09:14 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: tobyhill

Screw the Unions. America has lost their need for them. They are communists organizations and will destroy America.


20 posted on 04/05/2011 7:14:11 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: tobyhill
Federal Workers Union Sues White House Over Possible Government Shutdown

I LOVE this!

If Federal workers have standing to sue the White House for "allowing" a government shutdown, then working taxpaying Americans must also have standing to sue the White House for not vetoing legislation that allowed Congress to spend money it did not have, and creating 13 Trillion$ of debt that can't be paid.

It created the possibility of a National Default. You can't legislate the rules of mathematics out of existence.

There is enough criminal incompetence to go around.

21 posted on 04/05/2011 7:20:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: hal ogen
Shut down the government for a month and see if anyone who produces notices.

How do you define "produces"? Does it include private businesses that have government employees as patrons/customers?

There's a reason why Senators and Congressmen fight so hard to have government facilities in their states and districts; government employees pump good portions of their salaries back into the local economies.

Now, I'm not saying that the Federal Government shouldn't be cut and cut significantly (it should be), or that this shutdown crisis isn't the responsibility of Obama and the Dems (it most certainly is). But I'm also a realist in knowing that doing so is going to have a cascading shock impact through many local economies throughout the US.

I think the right approach to this is to say that a shut down (vice a planned, structured and organized downsizing) is an avoidable tragedy with far-reaching impacts that the Dems have cynically maneuvered the country into for their own duplicitous partisan benefit.
22 posted on 04/05/2011 7:21:50 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: griswold3

I was already ashamed of this country when the Kenyan Klown was elected....the socialism here in America makes my former country of Canada look like Texas. I try to escape socialism and here it is in America.


23 posted on 04/05/2011 7:22:59 PM PDT by max americana ( NF)
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To: tobyhill

Does that mean that the White House is “responsible” for the government shutdown?


24 posted on 04/05/2011 7:27:28 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: tobyhill
Gage said public unions have been given very little information on how agencies would determine which employees are essential in the event of a government shutdown.

Here's what you do: If you didn't come in the last time there was a snow shutdown, you are non-essential.

25 posted on 04/05/2011 7:31:25 PM PDT by TankerKC (I feel 271 degrees out of sync today, which isn't half bad.)
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To: Zeddicus
Yep. Whoever came up with the idea to allow government workers to unionize was an epic idiot.

I agree.
His greatest claim to fame was getting himself assasinated.

JFK

But it wasn't legislated.
It can be terminated just as easily.

26 posted on 04/05/2011 7:34:21 PM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: AndrewC

Fire ALL Federal workers,
Well, thanks for your support. I am one of those federal workers. I help keep the B-1B Lancer flying. I have done so for the past 22 years. Prior to that I was an Air Force flying officer for 15 years. So I have been sucking at the government teat for 37 years. I could be making twice as much working for a contractor, but I would feel a little guilty getting that pay for the same work.

P.S. I am emergency essential. I will work even if it is possible without pay. Did that when Clinton shut down the government. We did get paid, but unlike the nonessential workers we did not get an extra week paid vacation. I am not complaining, but those are the facts.
__________________________
Know just how you feel Andrew. I wrote something similar last week and was berated by more than 1 person on that thread that was busy dancing because the gov’t. was being shut down.

I explained what my husband did, he runs education & training for our base - making sure all the service members and civilians are properly trained, does WAPS testing for our service members and many other things.

He’s considered non-essential - all righty then. I can see how those jobs are non-essential /sarc

I was told other people have lost their jobs and I should suck it up. I said yeah but when they lost them people weren’t cheering were they? That’s how I feel.

I did used to feel like many of the people on this site could see the trees rather than the forest, but now they’ve lumped all federal workers in the bad apple category and they don’t care how many of their fellow FReepers are hurt, as long as the government shuts down.

bitter? Yeah, I guess I am. I did think FReepers had more sense than the general populations.

Good luck to you Andrew and thanks for doing what you do. There are good federal workers but folks fail to see that.


27 posted on 04/05/2011 7:39:21 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: AndrewC
Well, thanks for your support. I am one of those federal workers. I help keep the B-1B Lancer flying. I have done so for the past 22 years. Prior to that I was an Air Force flying officer for 15 years. So I have been sucking at the government teat for 37 years. I could be making twice as much working for a contractor, but I would feel a little guilty getting that pay for the same work.

Thank you for your service to our country (not being sarcastic; I mean it).

But you need to understand, this sort of garbage from the government unions has alot of the rest of us ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Federal employees need to get their own unions under control and back to operating in the real world if they don't want this kind of backlash from we who fund your paychecks.

28 posted on 04/05/2011 7:40:20 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; ...
Today Obama is playing the cameras to the hilt lecturing Republicans to just play fair to keep the government open, bashing Republicans for being unreasonable. The MSNBC shows are all playing a shutdown to the hilt every show cheering Obama's acting : “Oh this is going to hurt the American people. These extremists just want to shut down the government to hurt the people like you.”. They act convinced that Obama/Reid will win a shutdown and Republicans will be crushed, especially in 2012 elections.

Here's some scenarios I just thought up from best to worst:

1) The Democrats cave before a shutdown(rosy scenario)
2) The government shuts down and Democrats cave to public pressure
3) The government shuts down and Republicans in swing districts get weak knee-ed as their voters complain and Democrats get their spending as Republicans cave, but voters remember this in 2012 when the deficit is out of control and gas prices are high and punish democrats.
4) The government shuts down and Republicans cave as in #3 except voters side with Democrats in 2012.(disaster scenario)
5)Republicans cave before a shut down (another disaster).

This is hardball politics. It requires getting out the message better than the other guy(the enemy).

29 posted on 04/05/2011 7:42:22 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: leapfrog0202
There are good federal workers but folks fail to see that.

People need to remember that the Conservative philosophy is that small, limited government that is as close to The People as possible and is engaged in only inherently governmental tasks/responsibilities is the best kind of government.

There's a term for no government. It's "anarchy". Something that any true Conservative will find abhorrent.
30 posted on 04/05/2011 7:43:56 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tobyhill

Speaking of things that should be shut down...


31 posted on 04/05/2011 7:52:28 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: AndrewC
Fire ALL Federal workers
P.S. I am emergency essential. I will work even if it is possible without pay. Did that when Clinton shut down the government. We did get paid, but unlike the nonessential workers we did not get an extra week paid vacation. I am not complaining, but those are the facts.

You scare me.
The faux outrage leaves me cold. If you are doing critical work with a personality problem something is wrong.

You chose to interpret the "ALL" to include our armed forces. Anyone with that level of poverty of judgement I would not want working on my lawnmower.

Get over yourself.

Not once, ever, in the 14 years I have visited Free Republic do I recall a single statement or suggestion that ANY of our armed forces are overpaid. But I have seen hundreds of angry demands that their risks and sacrifices be compensated more equitably.

32 posted on 04/05/2011 7:55:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: tobyhill

The union didn’t do this without permission from the Ubanga regime.
I wonder what those scumbags have up their sleeves?


33 posted on 04/05/2011 8:03:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: FlingWingFlyer
For the first time in my adult life, I think America has become a great big ****in’ disgrace! What a joke!

Are we really at the precipice over looking the end of the American experiment?It may be to late.There is a formidable and growing ignorant class of people who do not give a sh*t about America but only care about themselves.The second American civil war will be won or lost without a shot being fired;unconstitutional judges,criminal labor unions,the democrat socialists,illegal immigrants and Americans taught by the government schools.God help us.
34 posted on 04/05/2011 8:03:22 PM PDT by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Paine)
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To: Raider Sam
Does that mean that the White House is “responsible” for the government shutdown?

At least an equal partner. Yes, that would include Reagan, and the Bushes.

The Veto is a very powerful weapon.

35 posted on 04/05/2011 8:08:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: tobyhill

What a total crock. They ought to be ashamed. Greedy pigs.


36 posted on 04/05/2011 8:25:20 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: tobyhill
Here is my theory:

Ubanga and the rats are in the pocket of the unions - - all the unions. This is not open for debate unless you are a moron. The rats likely have internal polling data that tells them a significant portion of the voting public is uncomfortable with their cozy relationship with big labor special interests, especially as it concerns government unions who knock each other over trying to get their snouts deeper into the public trough.

By orchestrating this ludicrous lawsuit (suing to find out which federal workers will get laid off? LMAO, gimme a break!) the Ubanga regime, the rats, and the government unions hope to con at least some of the ignorant masses into believeing that, hey, maybe the unholy alliance isn't as bad as we thought after all.

It's like when the ACLU defends the Illinois Nazis, or the New York Times endorses a local New York Republican candidate who they know has the election in the bag anyway. "See? We're not partisan."

This "lawsuit" is strictly a head fake.

37 posted on 04/05/2011 8:25:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TSgt

No, No, No...
Our best days are ahead of us...by looking at your tagline..


38 posted on 04/05/2011 8:26:24 PM PDT by savage woman
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To: AndrewC

yeah yeah

all you idiots have that line down “I could be making twice as much for a contractor”

You just left out the part about “but they didn’t hire me” or ‘they wouldn’t hire my spouse too” or “but I don’t have the energy to go get that job”

What a LOAD!


39 posted on 04/05/2011 8:28:39 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: TankerKC
Gage said public unions have been given very little information on how agencies would determine which employees are essential in the event of a government shutdown.

What a load of poop. I work for one of the more f'd up departments, DHS and have known who is going to work and who isn't for a while. We have been told to expect to work with no pay until this Congress does the job the last Congress failed to do.

I'm lucky that I don't live paycheck to paycheck, and I want the government to shut down if it means bigger budget cuts.

40 posted on 04/05/2011 8:34:10 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: tobyhill

Fire one out of 2 federal employees. Then start the real cutting.


41 posted on 04/05/2011 8:43:42 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: tobyhill
Note to all Federal Employees: If you're considered "nonessential" better get used to not working!

Any and all "nonessential programs and employees" are just that - nonessential and thus they are just sucking blood out of the rest of us for their daily sustenance.

Find yourself are real job and realize the freedom of being "essential" somewhere, just not at the Federal (State and local) trough!

42 posted on 04/05/2011 8:56:48 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: tobyhill

What is amusing is that those of us in the private sector deal with these same circumstances on an all too frequent basis anymore. Whereas, technology workers have to worry about our jobs being pushed offshore, the public sector employees do not.

It also seems that if they can’t take what little frustration or insecurity the looming government shutdown is causing them, perhaps they’re not as strong or as good as they think they are.

I’ve also contacted my congressman, one of the freshmen, and asked the following question, “If a person is not considered critical personnel during the shutdown, why not look at the position and evaluate whether the position should be permanently done away with.


43 posted on 04/05/2011 9:34:30 PM PDT by cgchief
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To: Zeddicus; Publius6961; yldstrk
But you need to understand, this sort of garbage from the government unions

If you really read my statement I did not mention unions. I am not a union member. I don't pay dues except for a charge for my health coverage which is through a postal service and is required by the health plan. It is required along with my health care deduction. I pay for my health care, despite the pablum passed on by many. Again, I do not belong to a union. I don't vote for any union position. The law requires me to be represented by the union in cases involving employment related grievances, but I again am not a union member. People really have no understanding of the federal employment procedures. And many idiots here, display their complete brain-dead attitude have my contempt. Zeddicus, I do not put you in that category but I did not mention how I felt about unions. I addressed the shotgun brain-dead comment involving all federal employees which despite Publius6961' comment does involve military members. And it involves DOD emergency-essential personnel like me.

yldstrk apparently does not have enough brain cells to reason out that civilian positions in the military are at the request of military members. Colonels and Generals directly make the requests for these emergency essential positions. Military regulations require that contractor positions be converted to government civilian positions within three years in order to save money. As EE employees a condition of our employment is the acceptance of deployment on the orders of the government. I have a red passport. I go where they send me. And where they send me requires me to undergo non-combatant military training to include chemical warfare training, gas mask, suit and all. I take the shots required by the military to go where they go.

So except for Zeddicus, you are all invited to kiss my rosy red rump. And I will especially think of how pissed off you are when I receive my next paycheck, whenever that may be.

Cheers, your friendly federal employee,

Andy

44 posted on 04/06/2011 5:25:39 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC

I think most FReepers support federal funding for the military. Defense is supposed to be one of the federal government’s few responsibilities.

The federal workers most FReepers have no use for are the millions of IRS workers, social program personnel, regulatory agency employees, etc...

The Fed should be in the business of protecting the nation militarily and enforcing the constitution. The rest of the “responsibilities” they’ve assumed should be shut down.


45 posted on 04/06/2011 5:54:47 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
Well, when someone says all federal employees, that includes me and active military members. I was pointing that out.
46 posted on 04/06/2011 5:58:32 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: leapfrog0202
Thanks, God bless you and I hope everything works out for you.

I also think that the government needs to shut down in order to get our finances right despite the hardship it causes. I just think there are a lot of idiots that don't use their noggins.

47 posted on 04/06/2011 6:01:21 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: tobyhill

if you have all the federal holiday’s off, then you are not essential.


48 posted on 04/06/2011 1:10:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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