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Libertarians say Paul Ryan is worse than Bill Clinton
The Libertarian Party ^ | April 5, 2011 | The Libertarian Party

Posted on 04/05/2011 8:27:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WASHINGTON - In response to House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's new budget proposal, Libertarian Party Chair Mark Hinkle issued the following statement today:

"Americans hoping to get real about our national debt just got sucker-punched by Republican Paul Ryan.

"Republicans want to spend $40 trillion over ten years. That averages a staggering $4 trillion per year. As recently as 2000, federal spending was only about $1.8 trillion.

"They also want to increase the federal debt from $15.0 trillion to $23.1 trillion. I hope our children and grandchildren enjoy paying interest on that extra $8.1 trillion.

"People should not judge the quality of this Republican plan by the standard President Obama has set. Everyone knows Obama is a big spender. Democrats rarely campaign on cutting government. What this budget shows is, Republicans are hypocrites. They have no intention of cutting the federal government down to size. In 2021, Paul Ryan still wants the feds to be spending 19.9% of GDP. That's a higher percentage than during Democrat Bill Clinton's second term. In 1997, federal spending was 19.5% of GDP, and it dropped to 18.2% by 2000. Paul Ryan is worse than Bill Clinton.

"Another unfortunate but predictable thing about Paul Ryan's budget is that it continues to mollycoddle the Pentagon. Paul Ryan is the Military-Industrial Complex's best friend. He apparently can't find one penny to cut from Obama's bloated levels of military spending. Only a big-government Republican could come up with language like 'reinvesting $100 billion in higher military priorities.'

"It's interesting that when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House from 2001-2006, they did nothing to shrink government, or even slow down government growth. On the contrary, back then, Paul Ryan was busy voting for expensive foreign wars, No Child Left Behind, and the huge 2003 Medicare expansion. More recently he's voted for the TARP bailouts and even ethanol subsidies.

"We Libertarians propose eliminating federal functions that are not authorized in the Constitution. Furthermore, Libertarians propose ending foreign wars and foreign troop deployments, allowing huge cuts in military spending. Libertarians would cut the federal government down to less than 10% of GDP, and we'd keep cutting once we got there."

For more information, or to arrange an interview, call LP Executive Director Wes Benedict at 202-333-0008 ext. 222.

The LP is America's third-largest political party, founded in 1971. The Libertarian Party stands for free markets, civil liberties, and peace. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party at our website.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; biggovernment; billclinton; deficit; hoax; hypocrites; nationaldebt; pathtoprosperity; paulryan; paulryanbudget; privatization; ryan
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1 posted on 04/05/2011 8:27:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Libertarians lie and are not conservative. They are liberals who are merely cheap.

Ron Paul is insane.


2 posted on 04/05/2011 8:30:12 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Libertarians say Paul Ryan is worse than Bill Clinton

Coming from a Libertarian, that might not be so bad.

3 posted on 04/05/2011 8:30:41 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Conservatives say Libertarians are worse than Democrats


4 posted on 04/05/2011 8:30:49 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Paul Ryan would have my vote.
5 posted on 04/05/2011 8:33:40 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is why libertarians get about 1.0% of the vote everytime...they live in la-la land.


6 posted on 04/05/2011 8:34:23 PM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: JaneNC

Why?


7 posted on 04/05/2011 8:36:49 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

With “friends” like these, who needs the Left?


8 posted on 04/05/2011 8:38:37 PM PDT by scott7278 (and"...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Libertines say: Bill Clinton rules!


9 posted on 04/05/2011 8:38:56 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: JaneNC

Paul just doesn’t get the value of armed force. Reduce it arbitrarily, and you get unintended consequences. Such as Britain’s decision to reduce the size of then Royal Navy in 1922. That, as much as anything else, nearly cost them the war in 1940. But we seem to be doing the same thing now. China is moving into a vacuum.


10 posted on 04/05/2011 8:39:07 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

The US will have to spend a trillion per year for eight years just to fix the defense damage Obama and his treasonous comrades will do by January 2013.


11 posted on 04/05/2011 8:42:20 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ll give Ryan’s budget a C+. It’s a start, a framework, and nothing else. There can be no real solution till we have a conservative president and majority in the Senate. It does lay some good foundation that can be built on though.

Libertarians and many others want it all today. As much as I’d like it to happen, fact is it won’t. Bottom line is they don’t have the clout to make it or anything else happen.


12 posted on 04/05/2011 8:42:28 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: JaneNC

Well, what is it in the statement that isn’t true? If they are correct in this instance, do think that any conservative ought to be breaking out the party hats to celebrate the Ryan proposal?


13 posted on 04/05/2011 8:43:28 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Free Vulcan

“It’s a start, a framework, and nothing else. There can be no real solution till we have a conservative president and majority in the Senate.”

We’ve been down that road with Bush, and his administration fiscally was just the same old Beltway operation. You say that the Libertartians want it all today and that that isn’t realistic. Perhaps it isn’t realistic, but if we don’t get something close to all of it very soon, we won’t have a recognizable future.

“Realistically” because even people on FR aren’t serious about cutting spending it is clear to me that a financial bus plunge is inevitable.


14 posted on 04/05/2011 8:48:47 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: JaneNC
I love your line on being cheap Libs!
And Ron Paul is insane and a anti Semite in the worst way.
15 posted on 04/05/2011 8:54:41 PM PDT by ncalburt (Get Even on Election Day)
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To: Aroostook25

“The US will have to spend a trillion per year for eight years just to fix the defense damage Obama and his treasonous comrades will do by January 2013.”

I believe you are greatly over-optimistic: 2013, more like 2017!

With the present GOP leadership, and their double-cross of Tea Party Grassroots support, The Usurper is going to win re-election with the help of the Corporate/Bank controlled media!
The only thing that might prevent is re-election is the loss of the dollar’s “Reserve Currency” status! - If that happens, what’s the difference, the US is toast, and will over-night become a Third World debtor!


16 posted on 04/05/2011 8:55:36 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: achilles2000

WTF does any of that mean? Yes I realize we don’t have a great deal of time to fix it, but we also don’t control the Senate or the Executive.

You need the votes to get it done.

You don’t have the votes. Sitting there pontificating about your superior position on the issue doesn’t change that reality.

How are you going to get it done?


17 posted on 04/05/2011 8:58:01 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan
Libertarians and many others want it all today. As much as I’d like it to happen, fact is it won’t. Bottom line is they don’t have the clout to make it or anything else happen.

True. However, let's say for the sake of argument, they had the WH and a supermajority the House and Senate after the next two elections. Their "want it all today" approach would have far-reaching consequences they aren't prepared to handle. Hard to quell riots with stances like "But look at all this liberty you have."

18 posted on 04/05/2011 8:58:04 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What really irks me is that while they are talking about cutting things we’ve paid in for not a peep about cutting foodstamps and welfare. Why not they should be the first thing eliminated.


19 posted on 04/05/2011 9:15:04 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Another unfortunate but predictable thing about Paul Ryan's budget is that it continues to mollycoddle the Pentagon. Paul Ryan is the Military-Industrial Complex's best friend. He apparently can't find one penny to cut from Obama's bloated levels of military spending.

Stuff like thisis the reason I will never take the Libertarian Party seriously.

20 posted on 04/05/2011 9:17:30 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: J Edgar

In two years the US dollar will be worth a tenth what it is today.
Fuel pumps will have to add another digit or change to measuring in liters.
A real copper penny will be worth over 50 cents.
Even a zinc penny will be worth over 25 cents.
The brass dollar will be small change.

That’s one way to make the drug industry $100 notes worth a gallon of fuel.


21 posted on 04/05/2011 9:18:37 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: edpc

I’ve always said tax me for highways and the military. That would leave us all enough bring home pay that we could pay for all the entitlement programs ourselves.


22 posted on 04/05/2011 9:30:44 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: ncalburt

Indeed he is. Paul Ryan has proposed a good budget plan.
Consider what the democrats have done!


23 posted on 04/05/2011 9:45:00 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

LP Executive Director Wes Benedict actively worked to defeat Republicans in Texas, split Republicans internally by fomenting divisions in party conventions, ran against a conservative Republican himself with a sole goal to defeat him and get the Democrat elected (which happened), and has been an enormous help to Democrats in Texas.

His pansy-ass lies here are true to his GOP-hating form.


24 posted on 04/05/2011 9:46:04 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: achilles2000

“Well, what is it in the statement that isn’t true?”

The LP’s biggest lie is about how they would do so much more if they were in power.

BS. you cannot get under 10% of GDP without abolishing SocSec and Medicare and Medicaid immediately.

Do you honestly think that would happen? They would do it if elected? That’s why they get 1% of the vote. No, it wouldnt happen, they are blowing smoke up your rears on that.

Rep Ryan asked the question “What could REALISTICALLY be done to save our nation’s finances?” He came up with a very solid proposal and for the LP to criticize the BEST idea to come out of DC in a long time shows their bad judgement and cluelessness.

(hmmm, where are their criticisms of the Democrats - see Wes benedict doesnt hate liberal Democrats/socialists like he hates the GOP, he’s out to destroy the GOP, so the pesky pro-USA pro-military traditional values people that make the backbone of this country would get out of the way so Wes can enact his dope-addled libertopia.)

The LP folks live in la-la land indeed.


25 posted on 04/05/2011 9:53:00 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: Free Vulcan

It means that if you don’t try to get it all you won’t get it. I agree that the odds are not good, but by at least asking for what needs to be done we will have done all that can be done and may reset the terms of debate so that what needs to be done can be done in time.

The Ryan plan is timid, inadequate, and cowardly. That also sums up the Republican Party. I generally vote for the Rs, but it reflects a triumph of wishful thinking over experience.

My prognostication is that because of the corruption of the character of the American people we are headed toward civil unrest sparked by economic collapse. When? Within the next decade - maybe sooner than later.


26 posted on 04/05/2011 9:54:21 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: WOSG

The LP’s biggest lie is about how they would do so much more if they were in power.”

This has nothing to do with the question. What did they say about Ryan’s plan that is untrue? I suspect what they said about the Ryan plan is all true, but would be happy to be wrong.

On a separate note, would you object if someone abolished Medicaid, SS, and Medicare? Also, do you believe that they are Constitutional? Or are you just saying that it is unlikely that it could be done?


27 posted on 04/05/2011 10:02:18 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: JaneNC

Really? So when did I lie? And exactly what is your conservative level, if this is a challenge, as a red blooded American conservative, bring it! (leave your emotions at home, and get ready for homework on American Political History, non-revised, all original source).

Fricn rats on the board


28 posted on 04/05/2011 10:02:44 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (The truth will set you free, but first it will burn you!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Sorry, read it! Military cuts and reductions are in the proposal!


29 posted on 04/05/2011 10:09:04 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (The truth will set you free, but first it will burn you!)
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To: ncalburt

Anti Semite? Where and when?


30 posted on 04/05/2011 10:11:12 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (The truth will set you free, but first it will burn you!)
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To: All

Silly Losertarians....

...go get your usual 2% of the vote.


31 posted on 04/05/2011 10:14:29 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (The political 2012 is here....Let's get it done !)
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To: rbmillerjr

Bad bait! Go take a simple test. It’s at the nolan chart.
You found this site so that one shouldn’t be so hard!


32 posted on 04/05/2011 10:33:47 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (The truth will set you free, but first it will burn you!)
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To: Josh Painter

“Conservatives say Libertarians are worse than Democrats”
given the seller track record of theses same “Conservatives” it is hard to take them at their word eyther about libertarians or about the claim that they are “Conservatives”.

Paul Ryan and the republicans are selling a sad joke. they are selling a cut that amounts to a mere 5% of THIS YEARS deficit. Never mind the debt, or the fact that we know the deficit will grow with the aging baby-boomers and the welfare state.

This hear their most “ambiguous cut” is a mere 5% of the deficit NOT the federal budget, the Deficit! The amount we are spending THIS YEAR in excess of what we take in!

Don’t get me wrong I think our Federal Government is broken beyond repair and i never expected to get much out of them, but of course by that I did not expect we would get this little.

This is an insult to our intelligence and they are letting the democrats get away with calling it “extreme” draconian cuts.

If the Republicans don’t want to even make a serous effort to cut the Federal Government down to a size we the people can afford to support, then we might as well help the Democrats crash it.

Better to crash this out of control car closer to home where we can better get back on foot then slow it to continue to carry us way out into the country. Shut down the Federal Government and if you can’t bring yourself to do that, then cripple and destroy that monstrosity all together.

We can rebuilt it this time without the leftist scum of the socialist Yankee states.


33 posted on 04/05/2011 10:51:27 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

0bama has the power of the veto.

Democrats still control the senate.

We’re still fighting 2 wars.

You have to start somewhere.


34 posted on 04/05/2011 11:00:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
You have to start somewhere.

sorry, but his budget isn't the place.

The military is one of the few constitutionally correct expenditures by the Federal Government. It does not need to be cut, but expanded.

Ryan is a coward!
35 posted on 04/05/2011 11:42:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: FrankR
No kidding. It's easy to say anything you want to from the sidelines. Libertarians would cut the federal government down to less than 10% of GDP, and we'd keep cutting once we got there. - that especially does not make sense - sort of like Buzz Lightyear's "To infinity - and beyond!"
36 posted on 04/05/2011 11:58:33 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Aroostook25

Yes, it is important the the United States spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined. That way we can go broke, and be unable to even defend America. The secret to us winning the two world wars was............we allowed ourselves to rest instead of being on continuous alert. We are like Britain was in 1910, interventionist and spending more than they could possibly avoid. It is time to come home from everywhere, and concentrate on US.


37 posted on 04/06/2011 12:14:29 AM PDT by runninglips (the world is on fire, and we are busily emptying our reservoirs)
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To: achilles2000

Yep, this country is going off the cliff, mainly because pretend conservatives, which are the majority among Republicans, and on “conservative” forums, cannot support the ideal of a balanced budget. Everyone is so worried about “their side” winning, that they forget that by the time we grab control of the “bus” it will be airborne and ready to crater.


38 posted on 04/06/2011 12:17:48 AM PDT by runninglips (the world is on fire, and we are busily emptying our reservoirs)
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To: FrankR

>> they live in la-la land.

True, but better than commie land.


39 posted on 04/06/2011 12:18:18 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Free Vulcan

I would say that you take a shot, the only shot we may ever have. Shut down the government, take the case to the American people every night by spending whatever capital is necessary to do so. Show America what the “world” will look like after bankruptcy, and the World band IMPOSING its will on Americans and the politicians we so proudly say are part of a “Free Country” lolololololololol.


40 posted on 04/06/2011 12:20:39 AM PDT by runninglips (the world is on fire, and we are busily emptying our reservoirs)
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To: tsowellfan

“Paul Ryan would have my vote.”

As a conservative libertarian, he would have my vote, too!


41 posted on 04/06/2011 12:23:45 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: JaneNC

I am a conservative libertarian.

I don’t lie, and I’m not cheap.

Though, I do agree that Ron Paul is insane.


42 posted on 04/06/2011 12:25:47 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: SoConPubbie
I would say, looking at the baseline, you would have to have net increases. You can’t fulfill the missions we have, give the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines what they need to do their job, without a net increase. That is just a baseline reality.
43 posted on 04/06/2011 12:29:45 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: FrankR

“This is why libertarians get about 1.0% of the vote everytime...they live in la-la land.”

As a party they may get 1% o the vote.

But, as TEA Partiers go, they get a lot of votes.

Though, I’m not talking about the big L Libertarians like Ron Paul. I’m talking about small l libertarians...conservative libertarians like myself.

You know...those who support Palin, Bachmann, etc.

Face it...those who support those two fine women, and others like them, aren’t establishment Republicans.


44 posted on 04/06/2011 12:32:04 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Libertarians may I remind you that it’s been over a year since the Dems, who were completely in control of Congress at that time, were supposed to pass a budget for this year. At this time, we should be working on next years budget but we are still stuck on last year/this year’s. Please place the heat where it belongs.


45 posted on 04/06/2011 1:20:27 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: achilles2000

i did see yesterday that he assumed a 2.8% unemployment rate off in the future,like 2028? Last time it was that low was right after the Korean war so its a dubious assumption.


46 posted on 04/06/2011 1:41:26 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Ryan’s budget proposal EVENTUALLY balance the budget? And doesn’t it do that by NOT raising income taxes? Aren’t those GOOD things?

Am I missing something here?


47 posted on 04/06/2011 2:25:00 AM PDT by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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To: Free Vulcan

“You need the votes to get it done.”

Madison set up a government where you need the votes to get it done but you don’t need the votes to stop it. Republicans have the votes to stop it.

I think many Conservatives have bought into the Democrat and Media invention that the compromise between what the Republicans vote for is 1/2 way to what the Democrats would vote for. Not so. Our founders decided that Liberty would be protected if only what Democrats AND Republicans freely agreed to became law. The baseline position with our constitution is that NOTHING gets done and its branches work from there.


48 posted on 04/06/2011 3:07:24 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Aroostook25

You get that impression don’t you. If Ryan’s plan is insufficient ( and I’m sire it is) Republicans are going to be dragged into a Libertarian lifestyle. Every man for himself.


49 posted on 04/06/2011 3:09:31 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

You get that impression don’t you. If Ryan’s plan is insufficient (and I’m sure it is) Republicans are going to be dragged into a Libertarian lifestyle. Every man for himself.


50 posted on 04/06/2011 3:10:06 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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