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Army group 'coming out of the atheist closet'
msnbc.com ^ | 4/2/2011 | TOM BREEN

Posted on 04/06/2011 10:48:33 AM PDT by UndauntedR

The cliche notwithstanding, there are atheists in foxholes.

In fact, atheists, agnostics, humanists and other assorted skeptics from the Army's Fort Bragg have formed an organization in a pioneering effort to win recognition and ensure fair treatment for nonbelievers in the overwhelmingly Christian U.S. military.

"We exist, we're here, we're normal," said Sgt. Justin Griffith, chief organizer of Military Atheists and Secular Humanists, or MASH. "We're also in foxholes. That's a big one, right there."

For now, the group meets regularly in homes and bars outside of Fort Bragg, one of the biggest military bases in the country. But it is going through the long bureaucratic process to win official recognition from the Army as a distinct "faith" group.

That would enable it to meet on base, advertise its gatherings and, members say, serve more effectively as a haven for like-minded soldiers.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; fortbragg; military; soldiers

1 posted on 04/06/2011 10:48:37 AM PDT by UndauntedR
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To: UndauntedR

Who cares? It doesn’t offend me if someone in the military does not believe in God.

Is this somehow supposed to be controversial?


2 posted on 04/06/2011 10:54:42 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: UndauntedR

Granddad told me that while in England in the months before D-Day, there were a couple atheists in his unit.

When June 6th arrived, the closer the landing craft got to Normandy with all the blood in the water, the atheists were praying the loudest.

By the time the Battle of the Bulge occurred, whenever there was a mass/service, the tent was standing room only.


3 posted on 04/06/2011 10:55:59 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: UndauntedR

BTW my comment is directed to the article, not to you.


4 posted on 04/06/2011 10:58:31 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

A lot of people seem to have a problem with this. I don’t. This article is an extension of a smaller one from yesterday which got heated:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2700051/posts


5 posted on 04/06/2011 10:59:21 AM PDT by UndauntedR
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To: UndauntedR

Yeah, I’ve been seeing a lot of that lately. I don’t have a problem with it either.


6 posted on 04/06/2011 11:03:35 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: UndauntedR

I don’t understand why non-believers feel the need to form collective groups. To me, non-belief is a way of rejecting false collectivism. Forming an atheists club to compete with religious groups just gives more fuel to the people who argue that atheism is a religion.


7 posted on 04/06/2011 11:04:40 AM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

The military is there to fight to protect everyone’s right to worship as they see fit...or not. I have never heard of atheism being a problem for members of the military. Unlike being gay it has no obvious impact upon operations, morale or combat readiness.


8 posted on 04/06/2011 11:28:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: UndauntedR

There was a Wiccan in my Basic Training Platoon. Biggest screw up of the whole lot. And that is saying a ton! My Drill Sgt. said he would be dead or in prison in three years or less.


9 posted on 04/06/2011 11:31:49 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Do you wonder why atheists have to “meet”...?

You would think they would just party til the cows come home and sleep-in on Sundays

Or is this a mutual pity party about how hard it is to have live among ignorant believers who offend them with hymns, occasional public utterances of the names “Jesus” or “God”, statues, plaques bearing the The Commandments, and holidays...


10 posted on 04/06/2011 11:32:36 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: UndauntedR

South Park’s Trey Parker (hardly a Bible Thumper) said it best,

“Basically ... out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous — the silliest one I’ve ever heard is, ‘Yeah ... there’s this big giant universe and it’s expanding, it’s all gonna collapse on itself and we’re all just here just ‘cause ... just ‘cause’. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever.”


11 posted on 04/06/2011 11:34:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: thefactor
There was a Wiccan in my Basic Training Platoon. Biggest screw up of the whole lot. And that is saying a ton! My Drill Sgt. said he would be dead or in prison in three years or less.

I bet he was voted, "Most Likely to Be Fragged By His Own Troops."

12 posted on 04/06/2011 11:35:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: UndauntedR

A late friend of mine spent some quality time in foxholes in WW2. He assured me that when the moment of truth came, his “atheist” compatriots could pray in their foxholes with the best of them, crying out for God and mom to save them.


13 posted on 04/06/2011 11:40:44 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: silverleaf

You have to be pretty arrogant to believe

“I know enough about the whole universe to unequivocally state that there isn’t a Creator”


14 posted on 04/06/2011 11:41:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

What amazes me is that atheist’s spend so much time and effort fighting something they do not believe in.


15 posted on 04/06/2011 11:47:24 AM PDT by edcoil (Rule One: Fear No Man)
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To: edcoil
Most atheists are content to leave well enough alone - they as a group are overrepresented in the Military and underrepresented in prison. All in all a fairly patriotic and non-criminality prone group.

However; most atheists you are ever going to actually hear of - are not actually a-theists at all - they are anti-theists.

It is because of them that atheists are the most despised religious minority in America - despite not showing any propensity to fly jet planes into skyscrapers.

16 posted on 04/06/2011 11:54:16 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: MrB
You have to be pretty arrogant to believe

“I know enough about the whole universe to unequivocally state that there isn’t a Creator”

That would be explicit atheism. Implicit atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or gods.

17 posted on 04/06/2011 12:01:05 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: edcoil
What amazes me is that atheist’s spend so much time and effort fighting something they do not believe in.

It's the fighting what you believe in that takes all their time, and is the real focus.

18 posted on 04/06/2011 12:06:10 PM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: FortWorthPatriot

These are atheists organizing for activism. They will cleanse the military of the G and J words. They will do it in the name of separation of church and state and gay rights. They will totally supress and punish uppity Christians who don’t keep their religion in the closet as ordered.

I knew this was coming next.


19 posted on 04/06/2011 12:40:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: dfwgator
He was voted, "Most Likely to Steal Stuff and Lie About Everything."

Kid's 20 years old and has 3 kids. For their sake, I hope he makes it.

20 posted on 04/06/2011 12:45:50 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

Heh we had a crazy Wiccan in my boot camp platoon too, but he ended up getting dropped about halfway through when he went nuts and started running around Parris Island in his skivvies.

On topic, there most certainly are non-believers in the military that don’t start praying in combat. I know, because I’m agnostic, have been in combat (Iraq), and know quite a few people like me. I also never felt discriminated against or anything dumb like that.


21 posted on 04/06/2011 3:04:12 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: UndauntedR

If they believe in no God, there is no faith required to believe anything. They should not receive any recognition as a ‘faith group’. They have faith in nothing because to them, there is nothing to have faith in.


22 posted on 04/06/2011 3:46:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: UndauntedR
""We exist, we're here, we're normal," said Sgt. Justin Griffith, chief organizer of Military Atheists and Secular Humanists, or MASH. "We're also in foxholes. That's a big one, right there."

Isn't that foxhole at Fort Bragg? How come he didn't point to one in Afghanistan? Doesn't pointing to a training foxhole undercut his argument?

23 posted on 04/06/2011 4:33:08 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama channeling TR: "Speak incessantly and carry a little schtick.")
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To: UndauntedR
But it (the atheist group) is going through the long bureaucratic process to win official recognition from the Army as a distinct "faith" group.

Ironic, isn't it?

24 posted on 04/06/2011 6:57:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Echo4C; allmendream

I’m glad to see some sense from the field injected into this thread. As allmendream noted up-thread, anti-theists, the hardcore atheists, are very unliked by many. I would much rather be accosted by a tent revival fire and brimstone preacher than a hardcore atheist, though I prefer to spend time with neither.

This would appear to be a nascent group of anti-theists, perhaps. To be avoided.


25 posted on 04/07/2011 3:48:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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