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Talking Points For Winning The Gun Magazine Size Debate ^ | 6 April, 2011 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 04/07/2011 5:03:51 AM PDT by marktwain

"Staunch pro-gun writer Alan Korwin has come up with a very handy and effective “talking points” list.

If confronted by the hysteria driven rhetoric of magazine bans, especially based upon the Arizona lunacy of Jared Loughner, we highly recommend you have Alan’s rebuttals close at hand.

Please print out this article and pass it around to gun shops, shooting ranges, and at gun shows. We all need to wield pointed and effective responses to the gun grabbers’ hysterical blathering and phony hand wringing. If we remain silent they will win." ~ Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership

PHOENIX, AZ --( Depriving the public of gear as a way to stop murderers is misguided, puts you at risk, and at its core, is a thinly disguised effort to get to zero-round magazines—in the false and dangerous belief that disarming innocent people will finally disarm criminals.

Legislators asked me to prepare this list.

The Crux

* By focusing on magazine size instead of ways to stop active shooters you jeopardize everyone’s safety.

* Hoping to limit murderers by limiting magazines is irrational and hoplophobic.

* Why have people picked a ten-round limit? Why not two?

* Are they saying it’s OK to only kill ten people? That makes no sense.

* Would you make police obey the same limit? Why not?

Parity with Police: The public faces the same criminals police do. Any restrictions for the public must match what police can use: The public is always first at the scene.

* If you can’t justify impeding the police with ammunition limits, you cannot legitimately justify impeding the public that way.

* What’s needed to stop rampages is not another law written on paper, but speedier law enforcement, or any armed people who can respond.

* A criminal can’t legally have a magazine of any size. A law restricting size adds nothing.

None of these arguments matter to the opposition. People who want to restrict magazines are on a roll, using the Tucson assassinations for momentum. They want any kind of gun bans they can get, regardless of crime fighting, public safety, logic or reason. They are emotionally compromised.

* Limiting the amount of ammunition a person has for self defense is dangerous.

* The only way to stop a lethal attack is with countervailing force.

* The correct response to a mass murderer is not to restrict the public, but to empower the public and give us every advantage possible.

* People are always the first responders. Police are second responders. We face the same criminals. We both need the best tools we can get.

* We know laws banning murder and armed criminals don’t stop criminals. Why would you want to do more of the same when you know it doesn’t work? (Because it’s a hoplophobic response, not a rational one.)

* Will magazine-size bans feel good, as if you’re really doing something? Yes. Will they actually do something? No.

* Infringing on the size of a magazine doesn’t stop crazy people. Imagining that it somehow will, now that’s crazy.

* An infringed-capacity magazine violates your civil rights.


* Will a magazine limit stop a murderer from carrying several guns? Of course not.

* Will it prevent swapping out magazines? How do you propose controlling that?

* Infringing on magazine size has no effect on the millions of magazines already out there.

* Limiting the public doesn’t limit criminals. It just limits the public.

Trying to stop crime or crazy people by limiting magazine size can’t work. We tried that, for ten years under Clinton’s size ban. It’s a proven failure. The NY Times admitted this in no uncertain terms.

* The public should have at least as much ammunition as police can have.

* Because people face the same criminals police do, we honestly need equal gear.

* Attacking the right to an uninfringed magazine because of one assassin is a political game, not a meaningful solution to homicidal rampages.

* Using a tragic homicidal assault for leverage against civil rights is reprehensible.

* Using tragedy to advance a political agenda aimed at incrementally disarming the public is the ugliest underbelly of politics. It’s shameful.

Killing Is Fun! Someone has to say it—With constant Technicolor promotion of “the thrill of killing” from Hollywood and TV, we can expect another homicidal rampage. We must be ready to stop it when it inevitably occurs.

They’re not deranged, they’re imitating – With Hollywood and the networks glorifying immoral behavior, portraying killers as heroes to be emulated, and mourned when put down, it’s false to classify copycat crimes as mental disease.

The proper response to the recognition that people can go berserk and cause mayhem is to foster a culture of marksmanship.

* From army posts to grocery stores, homicidal attacks take place in make-believe gun free zones. Paper signs do not deter murderers.

* A phony gun-free zone made by posting a sign may feel good, but it has been repeatedly proven to be dangerous and negligent.

* A person who posts a no-guns-allowed sign should be liable if it causes harm. See the model legislation at

* Murderous carnage has nothing to do with magazine size and everything to do with opportunity. Crowds of unarmed people offer murderers a field day.

* If legislation really could stop criminals there wouldn’t be any.

* Laws do not stop crime. Law enforcement stops crime.

It’s time to broadly promote National Training Week from July 4 through 11, when all Americans are encouraged to go to the range and practice. Details at

It’s time to consider a tax break or tax credit to encourage people to go to the range and improve their readiness and skills.

Millions of 30-round and larger magazines are not used for killing, they’re used at ranges, which is where most legal gun use is conducted.

* Attacks on magazines are attacks on ranges, the home court for the Second Amendment, the bottom line on legal gun use.

* Attacks on magazines are attacks on the heart of the right to keep and bear arms.

* Disarm criminals first.

Politically Corrected Glossary

* Always frame the debate as pro rights vs. anti rights, never as pro gun vs. anti gun, which yields ground to the antis.

* This is a civil-rights issue, a question of fundamental human rights.

* Always talk about discreet carry, a cultural and civilized norm, never about concealed carry, which sounds like you have something to hide.

* Always refer to personal sidearms, a neutral and non-inflammatory term, never to handguns, a word that has been vilified beyond usefulness.

* Remember that assault is a kind of behavior, not a kind of hardware. The media loves that word because it spins the debate to their liking, and makes firearms automatically bad, instead of true focus on bad actors.

* Always ask a person who questions assault weapon possession what guns they’re talking about exactly. They do not know.

* Any weapon you can own is an ordinary household firearm, the type you might find in any American household.

Don’t waste time and audience attention correcting ignorant reporters who talk about clips or bullets. Let them remain self-evidently ignorant. See the entire Glossary at

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ban; banglist; magazine; tucson
Some good ideas from Alan Korwin.
1 posted on 04/07/2011 5:03:57 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

All the gun magazines I subscribe to are more or less the same size, approx. 8” x 10”. Are some of them considering changing their format?


2 posted on 04/07/2011 5:05:44 AM PDT by WayneS ("If mercy's in business I wish it for you; and more than just ashes when your dreams come true.")
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To: marktwain


3 posted on 04/07/2011 5:07:09 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: marktwain

Why not just pass a law that requires mass-shooters to use revolvers?

It makes as much sense as, and will have the same effect as, restrictions on the size of ammunition magazines allowed for use in semi-autos.

4 posted on 04/07/2011 5:10:39 AM PDT by WayneS ("If mercy's in business I wish it for you; and more than just ashes when your dreams come true.")
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“Why not just pass a law that requires mass-shooters to use revolvers?”

IMO its because their goal isn’t to stop mass shooting events. Their goal is to make it harder for the average gun owner to buy and possess firearms. The mass shooting mantra is only for the sheeple.

5 posted on 04/07/2011 5:33:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

I think this fact pretty much destroys the opposition:

The kid with the 10-round magazines killed far more people at Columbine than the one with the high-cap magazines.

6 posted on 04/07/2011 5:48:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: marktwain

I particularly like “discreet carry” as opposed to “concealed carry.”

7 posted on 04/07/2011 7:20:53 AM PDT by OldPossum
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Open Carry with IWB holsters makes sense to me about being discreet.

8 posted on 04/07/2011 9:55:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: antiRepublicrat

***The kid with the 10-round magazines killed far more people at Columbine than the one with the high-cap magazines.***

A moslem convert in Brazil just cleaned out a school. He was armed with TWO revolvers and lots of ammo.

Could this have been prevented if he was only allowed 5 shot revolvers?

9 posted on 04/07/2011 1:18:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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