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Obama Takes Aim at Inequality in Education
New York Times ^ | April 6, 2011 | Helene Cooper

Posted on 04/07/2011 5:41:43 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Describing education and education equality as the “civil rights issue of our time,” President Obama called Wednesday for a renewed effort to eliminate the achievement gap between African-American students and others.

“Too many of our kids are dropping out of schools,” Mr. Obama told a mostly black audience in the ballroom of the Sheraton New York Hotel in Manhattan. “That’s not a white, black or brown problem. That’s everybody’s problem.”

In a lightning-fast visit to New York before returning to Washington for more budget talks, Mr. Obama delivered a sober assessment of what he has done since taking office to help black Americans, and what more needs to be done. He praised the health care overhaul and the auto-industry bailout, and castigated critics who he said had developed “amnesia” about the shape the country was in when he took office.

Mr. Obama’s remarks, at the 20th anniversary of the Rev. Al Sharpton’s Harlem-based National Action Network, kept a promise he made when he spoke to the group as a presidential candidate in 2007. Win or lose, he pledged to return, and Wednesday night he spoke to a hugely supportive audience of 1,200 primarily black Americans, who had already heard from a daylong procession of the president’s cabinet and close advisers.

The president’s appearance at the Sharpton event came two days after he announced his intention to seek a second term. The White House is keenly aware that Mr. Obama will need to tap into his base of black support in the 2012 re-election campaign.

Mr. Obama won 95 percent of the black vote in 2008. Polls have shown his approval among blacks remains high, at 84 percent, while his national approval rating is around 50 percent.

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KEYWORDS: achievementgap; bellcurve; bho44; bhoeducation; blackvote; education; obama; sharpton
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The achievement gap between black students and other will not be closed, because there is an IQ gap of about 1 standard deviation between blacks and whites, as documented in the Wikipedia "Race and intelligence" article and other places. I think vouchers, charter schools, and especially better curricula (Singapore or Saxon instead of Everyday Math for example) can improve results, but they would do so for everyone and not close gaps.

If the Republicans have brains and guts, they will make an issue of Obama allying himself with a racist demagogue such as Al Sharpton. Many of us know about Sharpton's shameful role in the Tawana Brawley hoax, the Freddie's Fashion Mart arson, and other cases. The general public needs to know.

1 posted on 04/07/2011 5:41:46 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

So.. the head of the government is complaining about how bad the government education system is, and thinks the best way to fix it is to give more money to the government ...

did I guess right?


2 posted on 04/07/2011 5:43:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (Job #1 DEFUND THE LEFT Palin/Bachman 2012 -Unbeatable Ticket)
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To: reaganaut1

Leftists/Socialists want an equal outcome for all and they don’t care how that occurs. Until there is equal hard work input, their Socialist Utopia is doomed.


3 posted on 04/07/2011 5:44:26 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: reaganaut1

I thought ‘gay rights’ was the “civil rights issue of our time,”???

Is there anything issue that is NOT the “civil rights issue of our time,”??


4 posted on 04/07/2011 5:45:22 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: reaganaut1

(.)bama, the poster boy for inequality in opportunities for a good education, speaks of the inequalities. Wow.


5 posted on 04/07/2011 5:45:41 AM PDT by Mouton (Government expands to fill any voids in freedom.)
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To: reaganaut1
Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity.

Liberals believe in equality of outcome....magical thinking.

6 posted on 04/07/2011 5:46:24 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Le Chien Rouge

The ONLY industry booming in America is the ‘Civil Rights Industry’!!


7 posted on 04/07/2011 5:47:11 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

The ONLY industry booming in America is the ‘Civil Rights Industry’!!


8 posted on 04/07/2011 5:47:21 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

The ONLY industry booming in America is the ‘Civil Rights Industry’!!


9 posted on 04/07/2011 5:47:26 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Mouton

More attention to the Environment & Social Issues! /s


10 posted on 04/07/2011 5:47:26 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth ...........Income = Net Work!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I thought it was collective bargaining or Gays in the Military. I wish we could get it straight.


11 posted on 04/07/2011 5:49:50 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: reaganaut1

Zero’s spots are showing more and more.


12 posted on 04/07/2011 5:50:36 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: reaganaut1

If Obama wants to fix this problem all he has to do is eliminate the practice of paying black (and white) women to produce as many babies as they can to keep the government pay check coming in. The problem isn’t the education system - the problem is paying the ignorant and lazy (both black and white) to have children that will be abused and ignored and regarded merely as a source of income, thus pretty much setting up a guarantee of a “high drop out rate.”


13 posted on 04/07/2011 5:51:04 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: reaganaut1

The last time I looked, there was a (rough) inverse correlation between school spending per pupil, and student performance.


14 posted on 04/07/2011 5:51:23 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: reaganaut1
a renewed effort to eliminate the achievement gap between African-American students and others.
Hey, we don't we bus the "under-achieving" students to the schools where the "achievers" go. Oh, wait.
Hey, why don't we vote for more "chocolate" school board members. Oh, wait.
Okay, okay, let's hire more "chocolate" teachers (because only they can teach the "under-achievers") and make sure they and their union comrades get great raises and free benefits. Oh, wait.
How about we just lower the requirements to graduate - like hiring "chocolate" cops in Dayton. Oh, wait.
Just damn.
15 posted on 04/07/2011 5:56:22 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: reaganaut1

(Describing education and education equality as the “civil rights issue of our time,” President Obama called Wednesday for a renewed effort to eliminate the achievement gap between African-American students)

OH HORSE SHIT...
This is America. ANYONE can get whatever amount of education they desire and are willing to work to get it..


16 posted on 04/07/2011 5:58:36 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: reaganaut1

I guarantee that the “solution” to inequality will involve a two-pronged assault: 1) Throwing large amounts of money at the problem, and 2) Penalizing achievers to close the “gap” by eliminating AP courses and gifted programs etc.


17 posted on 04/07/2011 5:59:46 AM PDT by denydenydeny (The corollary to "If it's not close they can't cheat" is "If it is close they will definitely cheat")
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To: reaganaut1

The problem with this is he cannot address the gap in parenting. That is where the problem is.

My sweetie teaches at an all black, southside Chicago Catholic school. There are no vouchers in Chicago, all parents pay. One would think that would be enough. And in many cases, it is. There are parents that will dicipline their kids if they get in trouble. Others will not, knowing the school is loathe to kick them out because they can’t afford to be with one fewer paying customer. In a different way, they are just as screwed as the public schools are. The public schools have to accept everyone, no matter what. And the private schools have to keep everyone, no matter what.

What a mess.

This was sent to me, and I sent it to my teacher sweetie:

http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html

The title of the piece is: “What it’s like to teach black students”

I must caution everyone, while the title references race, it’s not entirely so. Teachers across the country will tell you they run into this every day. In white areas, black areas, and latino areas. My sweetie taught in Houston, for heaven’s sake. He taught everyone except French students.

The circumstances described in the link I posted seem to be common with poorly parented children, regardless of race, income, and everything else.

When I sent that link to him and asked his thoughts, here’s what he said:

“It’s not race. We don’t have enough parents that give a shit.”


18 posted on 04/07/2011 5:59:52 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: reaganaut1

What he should take aim at is inequality in study habits and punish anybody that doesn’t study as hard as the hardest-studying students. If it breaks down into racial/class stereotypes (asians, middle class whites) so be it. Tough.

No study, no learn, no accomplish.

That’s how it works.

Deal with it.


19 posted on 04/07/2011 6:02:42 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: reaganaut1

(Mr. Obama won 95 percent of the black vote in 2008. Polls have )

Well black folks, how the heck is that hopey changey thing working out for you????


20 posted on 04/07/2011 6:03:46 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: reaganaut1

Why is this thing (NYT) still here ?


21 posted on 04/07/2011 6:04:17 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: SMARTY
The ONLY industry booming in America is the ‘Civil Rights Industry’!!

I thought it was the steal industry.

22 posted on 04/07/2011 6:04:26 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: reaganaut1

Years ago in our city we had some very fine all black educational institutions. They no longer exist.

And we know why. Democrats want to keep them on the plantation.


23 posted on 04/07/2011 6:04:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: reaganaut1

How long will we be stuck with carrying an enormous class of under-achievers on our backs? Since LBJ’s vote buying scam, the “War on Poverty,” began in the 60s, the nation has spent roughly seven TRILLION dollars on affirmative action spending, attempting to bring this class up to speed with the rest of the nation.

A hundred and forty-five years after the War Between the States that freed them, they are still using the slavery excuse to try to suck more tax dollars out of the bankrupt U.S. Treasury, enabled by the Democrats, who need to continue to buy that 95% Black vote.


24 posted on 04/07/2011 6:05:09 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: reaganaut1

College grad are working at fast food joints because there are no jobs. Better do something about that first...


25 posted on 04/07/2011 6:05:51 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: reaganaut1

Perhaps if more students would do their homework and not drugs and sex..........oh but that wouldn’t be “cool”


26 posted on 04/07/2011 6:05:58 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I thought ‘gay rights’ was the “civil rights issue of our time,”???
Is there anything issue that is NOT the “civil rights issue of our time,”??

NO..........................


27 posted on 04/07/2011 6:08:20 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: reaganaut1
90% of an education comes from the home.

If you come from a home where educational excellence is demanded, you won't get an education worth squat. Spinners on your wheels, dry cleaned jeans, communicating in an alternative language, and memorizing the lyrics to your favorite hip-hop rapper along with how many times he's been shot, are not subjects to take you far in life.

Oh yeah, memorizing the PIN to your EBT welfare card is not worth much either.

28 posted on 04/07/2011 6:10:34 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: reaganaut1
If you come from a home where educational excellence is(NOT) demanded,

Sorry, it was my mamma's fault!

29 posted on 04/07/2011 6:12:00 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: reaganaut1

I thought this article was going to be about more women in college than men.


30 posted on 04/07/2011 6:14:46 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average. Politicians come from the other half.)
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He praised the health care overhaul and the auto-industry bailout, and castigated critics who he said had developed “amnesia” about the shape the country was in when he took office.

I saw this posted earlier. FUBO, you &(^*(^ *^*&^*& communist, marxist, democrap, liar.


31 posted on 04/07/2011 6:14:57 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Is there anything issue that is NOT the “civil rights issue of our time,”?

Let me be perfectly clear that this is a false choice. Were you not paying attention during the Teachable Moment?

32 posted on 04/07/2011 6:22:41 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: reaganaut1

The parents don’t value education so the kids don’t either


33 posted on 04/07/2011 6:36:02 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: reaganaut1
People have been trying to narrow the achievement gap for many decades. All such attempts have failed. So, here is another Big Fail coming up for the Messiah. The only question is how expensive it is going to be this time…
34 posted on 04/07/2011 6:38:51 AM PDT by cartan
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Just curious, but what exactly is it that IQ tests are supposed to measure?

I’ve noticed some things:
1. Some really smart people are doing really stupid things.
2. A lot dumb people accomplish far more than their tests scores would lead you to expect.

People are complicated. The world is complicated.

Discussions about genetic determinants are ominous.


35 posted on 04/07/2011 6:39:08 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: blackdog
“90% of an education comes from the home.” (blackdog)

“The problem with this is he cannot address the gap in parenting.” ( Daisyjane69)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If every Purssian-style school were to close tomorrow ( government and private) the same children who are getting and education today would get one tomorrow.

Why?

Answer: Because 90% of what a child learns is due to the afterschooling done by the parents and child himself at the kitchen table or at his desk.

Honestly....Where are the controlled studies that separate what is learned due to afterschooling from the learning that is acquired in the the typical Priussian-style classroom? Nearly daily, I am on Internet message boards asking that question. No educator or professor education has ever provided me with the studies.

So?...Again how much learning is **specifically due to aftershooling?

It seems INSANE to me that we spend sooooooo much money on education and we don't even know **who** is doing the hard work of teaching. Is it the parent, the child, or the Prussian-style teacher? If we really knew the answer to this perhaps our schools would look a lot different.

If most learning is due to afterschooling then perhaps it would be better for the academically successful child to spent more time at home and less time at school. Those children from dysfunctional families might do better in institutional schools that attempted to compensate for poor parenting. KIPP schools seem to be effective in this.

36 posted on 04/07/2011 6:41:59 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Mr. K

More money will make the parents care about their kids’ education.

(do I need it? really? /sarc)


37 posted on 04/07/2011 6:42:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: reaganaut1
That's where he belongs! In front of an audience talking about race, inner city, and these soft issues like global warming. That's where his interest and experiences are, that's what he's good at. Not even that he has any real viable solutions to anything he's talking about, but he can get the people stirred up and chanting.

The “Beer Summit” summed it all up. He tipped his hand and showed what he's really all about: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2009/07/30/beer-obama-racial029.html

You're dealing with someone that like many at this level has a huge ego and no issue with self confidence. You're looking at a highly competitive and type A personality and that describes most people at this level or even in the senior ranks of corporate America or defense (Generals). He wanted to be number one and no office, no position in this nation has a higher status than the office of the President. However, he at a personal level isn't even really interested in the performance of the actual duties of a Commander in Chief (or “Commander of Chiefs” as he called it repeatedly on the campaign trail). This is witnessed by the themes he picks up on, his lack of interest and time devoted to military personnel, visiting troops, etc etc etc. His true interest is in social issues. He's the first “non-president.”

He came to office with little business, executive, law enforcement, intelligence, staff, foreign affairs, economic, defense/military experience. A junior Congressional Senator who played the race card as a provincial Illinois State Senator and spent his entire life looking at the world in terms of class warfare and in a provincial manner (micro level). With a law degree which doesn't fill the void in those areas lacking experience, with a weak entourage (hasn't been around that long and doesn't have an army of highly experienced people riding his coat train) and little life experiences (one of the younger Presidents ever and not a very diversified career history) he came to the office as probably the least qualified of any President we had post WWII and possibly ever.

His tenure as President has been as vapid in ***”substance”*** as his campaign was. He was elected based on symbolism, feel good and opposition politics, but the only true skill he has demonstrated is an ability to apply his courtroom/legal training in the area of rhetoric, poise and oration to give nice speeches. Nice speeches don't make for good security, economic, foreign affairs policies.

38 posted on 04/07/2011 6:43:50 AM PDT by Red6
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To: reaganaut1

We’ve had integrated schools for generations now, if they can’t keep up (especially as dumbed-down as the schools have become in the last 50 years) then maybe there is something to “The Bell Curve”.


39 posted on 04/07/2011 6:50:32 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: wintertime
“The problem with this is he cannot address the gap in parenting.” ( Daisyjane69)

Single moms, school breakfasts, school dinners, welfare, healthcare, and daycare, are all provided to the children of the state. They are now exceeding the birth rate of married parents.

That is the gap liberals want to overcome. The children of married heterosexual parents who work to make a living, are the demographic group to finish off.

40 posted on 04/07/2011 6:53:14 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Freee-dame

bttt


41 posted on 04/07/2011 6:53:51 AM PDT by petercooper (Purge the RINO's.)
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To: reaganaut1

education bump for later.....


42 posted on 04/07/2011 7:00:42 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: blackdog

It always amazes me how you can proof-read and proof-read then just as you push the post button you see something yu goofed up.

See? Like that.


43 posted on 04/07/2011 7:02:55 AM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man

I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks, as my legislators do.


44 posted on 04/07/2011 7:05:32 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Why not feel sorry for him?

He gets every break possible because of the media's bias towards liberal ideas.

He is dealt with extra carefully because of his “Historicalness.”

He was given special perks and privileges in his life, to include admission to a college most can't dream of attending because of his “specialness,” but he bad mouths and attacks that society that gave him all these opportunities, including being it's leader.

As a candidate in 2008 he played the opposition political game to the maximum with GITMO, Iraq, oil, energy policy, taxes.......... he bashed Bush relentlessly. At every turn, with every bad press release or story of some set back in Iraq, there stood candidate Obama ready to exploit it.

In 2008 he had no reservations backing out of McCain Feingolds campaign spending rules and he also had no issue with his surrogates slinging mud to include bringing in the children of opponents, wives............... How he talks about civility in discourse now.

As a candidate in 2008 he played the feel good political game and promised everyone everything, even contradicting himself and making absurd claims that are not even remotely feasible. Seriously, look back and do a google search. Candidate Obama was going to: make college cheaper, lower taxes on the so called middle class (whatever that definition is that day), spend more on our VETs, education, R&D, develop green energy, expand and renew our infrastructure all while he reduces our deficit. He was for and against pro-choice, for and against gun rights, for and against various subsidies. He mocked small town people that cling to things like their religion and guns but also for them.................. He created these expectations, why should anyone feel sorry for him how?

If you see tears from family, sweat on his brow, the relentless beat down that is unjustified at times, don't have any sympathy. If he had any dignity, honor and respect, if as a candidate and politician climbing the ladder had he done more than “pretend” to be a noble man with character, though on opposite ends of the political spectrum, he would deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. But this hyena deserves WORSE than he's getting, but thank's to his uniqueness and historical significance as well as the love affair Hollywood, the news and arts have with liberal ideas he's just getting a small dose. But I can't say I have any sympathy what so ever.

45 posted on 04/07/2011 7:19:17 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

obambi was elected because he spoke of ending the race wars. His election would prove that discrimination was over and we could once again focus on achievement.
Now that zero has figured out that the only reason he got into the big name schools, received scholarships, received grades, etc.... was due to EEOC / affirmative action / special treatment / and white guilt. So now he is back on the demonic-rat plantation. My people be too stupid to make it on their own - so you alls must be a bunch of racists. We need equal outcomes cause equal education ain’t cutting it. The teachers be racist, the books be racist, and the tests be racist. Our brothers don’t stand a chance against all this racism.
Now the solution is easy. Remember how the Russians use to have political officers throughout society to make sure the whole country was on the same page politically. Well what we need are diversity officers everywhere to make sure that the whole country is on the same page in a diversity sense.

What you say? We already got that!
Well damn it - we need more qualified people in those positions!!


46 posted on 04/07/2011 8:22:19 AM PDT by CoastWatcher
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To: Red6

I hear you. If this idiot ever had to have and entire one hour press conference without a teleprompter, he would be laughed off the stage. I’m sorry, but I cannot stand that jack@$$. I usually turn off the radio or mute it the second he comes on. If I am driving, I keep both hands on the wheel, but both are giving him the one fingered salute.


47 posted on 04/07/2011 9:06:18 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: reaganaut1
a renewed effort to eliminate the achievement gap

My daughter busted her ass to be the top of her high school. If Obama can get all of the other students of every race to match her effort, he will be the greatest President ever!

48 posted on 04/07/2011 9:11:52 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: SMARTY
The ONLY industry booming in America is the ‘Civil Rights Industry’!!

The post so nice it was posted thrice!

49 posted on 04/07/2011 9:13:43 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
College grad are working at fast food joints because there are no jobs. Better do something about that first...

I totally disagree. College grads are working at fast food joints because thay cannot add enough value to better employers. Many, many, many companies are looking for people with strong technical and problem-solving skills and a willingness to work hard.

50 posted on 04/07/2011 9:19:09 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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