Posted on 04/07/2011 6:47:42 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Actually, there are about 10,000 McDonald's in the US vs only 2,000 in China. However, management wants to take China well past 10,000 McDonalds.
Oh sure.....Tens of millions out of work, millions of empty foreclosed homes, economy and standard of living in nose dive, entire industries gone, corrupt trade laws, Americans working 15 hours per week if they still have jobs, things like medical benefits now being a luxury for the wealthy and government employees...
Yeah it's just our imagination?
How clever you are!
It is your imagination when you blame it all on China. And happen to forget that Wall Street created a bubble economy in the tens of trillions of dollars derivatives and set up an environment that is ripe for Ponzi schemes. And that the government is powerless to inject capital into the system because Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and interest on the debt eat up most of the government revenues.
So, yes, it is imagry that you are doing. To show a group of young Chinese women working at a Walmart pumping their fists into the air and then to dramatically lay all the economic problems of America on these people. Many of these woman are likely no more than young moms who have toddlers at home that they need to raise and care for. Yet, you use them as imagry as part of some monolith effort on the Chinese governments part to undermine the West.
These Chinese did not create the stock market bubble nor the real estate bubble nor the intervention into the commodities market that drove up the price of oil. It was all made in America ;) And I sure you know that.
Got a question for ya:
Are suggesting your good friends the Communist Chinese, are not a direct, growing threat to the United States?
Yes or no?
That you seem like an apologist for the Chicoms is well known on here. And that’s ok. But your posts seem like sanitised versions of stuff on Chairman Mao’s little Red Book.
Are Tibetan really the happy bunch you claim them to be??? Not the ones that I’ve seen. Of course there are likely to be more Tibetans in mainland China since Mao had them all thrown out.
Are Chinese arms sales to Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and Burma (including WMD) a thing of the past??? What world are you living in??? Anyone with a sane head will tell you that China remains part of the equation there. Other than those who live off China Daily or Xinhua subsidiaries.
People don’t need the US or Western Media to get critical info about China-the Chinese government does a good job at it. The anti-Japanese protests, crackdowns on Tibet and Falun Dafa all show the truth as it is. About your point of people supporting the government for the long term good of the country, of course, we all know how beneficial the One Child policy (female infanticide included) has been.
If he/she responds, ping me if ya don’t mind.
Historians instruct us that it was internal politicking that killed off the Chinese navy 500 years ago. The mandarins, jealous of power, knifed the admirals -- it took them 100 years to finish the job, but when they were done the mandarins celebrated by presenting the (clueless?) emperor with a great stone ship in a lake on the palace grounds, as a tribute, ostensibly, to China's voyages of discovery, but in reality a low-fiving mandarin office-political victory trophy.
Cost China her future, but that the hell. This was about leadership! You can't trust the country's future to a bunch of rough-cut sailors. What the hell do they know about policy? No law degrees, no degrees in government, and some of them were even from Wasilla.
Yeah, by telling the US to vacate the Western Pacific. Including Japanese waters.
Hardly sounds like a nation making waves does it?
In fact, that's exactly what it sounds like. Just like Benito Mussolini in the 1930's, talking about Mare Nostrum and telling the British to withdraw their Mediterranean squadron. That's exactly what it sounds like.
Economies that don't manufacture, decline and die. Great Britain is Exhibit A.
That will bankrupt companies and destroy the economy. That is a very naive view Like it or not, we live in a world where the economy is global
Speaking of naive views ..... when you assume that currency valuations and market values and pricing are rational and not skewed by motivated actors, that prices reflect open-outcry, universally accessible markets rather than mercantilism on a politically-fueled rampage, then it's you who are naive.
Marketarian theories do not get their arms around fascistic, access-capitalistic arrangements.
Trust me, they are not going to turn their backs on “the barbarians” this time around.
Let’s have a little perspective here. If we consider what the Chinese have accomplished in a scant 30 years and project what the next 30 years could bring, we should be VERY AFRAID.
Within the next 10 years, either the bankrupt British (the British economy did not grow last year) or the bankrupt French will share the secrets of constructing an aircraft carrier with them. Within the next 20 years, the bankrupt US will complete that knowledge.
Trust me, they are not going to turn their backs on “the barbarians” this time around.
Let’s have a little perspective here. If we consider what the Chinese have accomplished in a scant 30 years and project what the next 30 years could bring, we should be VERY AFRAID.
Within the next 10 years, either the bankrupt British (the British economy did not grow last year) or the bankrupt French will share the secrets of constructing an aircraft carrier with them. Within the next 20 years, the bankrupt US will complete that knowledge.
Same problem we have.
The rest of the world has progressed as well.
I do not oppose manufacturing. I support the practice wholeheartedly. My point is that we do not need to bring back manufacturing moved elsewhere. We will continue to do as we have before, use the brains and ingenuity to develop new products not now known.
We do not need to resume making cotton yarn on Japanese machines or paint brushes on Italian machines or brake pads on Austrian machines. We do not need to make anything others can make as well and cheaper.
Prior to the current recession we were at full employment, actually in excess of full employment when you count the Mexican illegals. Exports were booming...... we had lots of manufacturing jobs. The myth we don’t make stuff is not only untrue, it is pernicious. Not only do we make stuff, people all over the world come to buy it.
If we take paint brushes as an example, there was an excellent American paintbrush company that was bought by a Fortune 500 company that became uncompetitive. They crated up the Italian designed and manufactured production line equipment and sent it to China where they now make the paint brushes and sell them here and elsewhere.
The post to which I replied would have that company bring that operation back. That is, the company must resume making paintbrushes. The result would be that they could not compete or operate at a loss. That is the reason they quit to begin with.
You have missed the salient point....... We have vast capabilities to create new, unknown or unheard of stuff. We will continue to do that. Our manufacturing will not die, but it will change. We will not remain in the paintbrush and cotton yarn rut
One more point..... we will not make new and different wind mills or other green dream crap now being subsidized out the wazoo. That sort of industrial practice definitely will kill us.
All of this is moot though unless we rid ourselves of the current President and Senate Majority
And given China's growing economic clout, it is not unreasonable for her to have up to a half dozen. China's GDP is larger than France and the UK combined. Yet between the two of them, they have a combined four aircraft carriers. By the end of this decade, China's GDP is likely to be the same size of the US and yet won't have anywhere near 11 Nimitz class carriers, but maybe 3-4 Varag size carriers instead.
So, my answer is, YES, China is NOT a direct and growing threat to the US. I thought my position was clear, but if you want me to outright state it, I'm doing it now. China is not a threat to the US.
From you:
The negative perception of China by the West is many times simply wrong.
You've done nothing on this thread but support Communist China. You're a liar.
China is NOT a direct and growing threat to the US.
Your BS is through the roof pal.
I am no apologist. I realize China have not always behaved in a way that they are proud of. But there's a difference between being an apologist vs contrasting the present with the past. An apologist would excuse the sins of the father. But I am not doing that, rather, I am supporting the son's right to move forward.
As far as arms sales, whatever China's arms sales, that's awash, no one is innocent of selling arms to the bad guys. Lets move onto WMD, elaborate for me please (I'm assuming, when you say WMD, we are talking about nuclear weapons).
Yes, Chinese media is becoming more critical of actions within China. No doubt about it, and isn't that a good thing? People in China want their media to expose corruption, etc. within their government and throughout China. Who wouldn't want that? But here is the twist, and it is subtle, yet says a world of difference between the difference in view between China and West. Chinese media will not report China's rise in a negative way. This aircraft carrier is a good example. Within China, this is a source of pride, amongst all Chinese. One only has to look at things like putting a man into space. A source of pride for all Chinese from rich to poor, from urban to rural, the Chinese people want to ultimately put a man on the moon and for their county to move forward. In the West, of course, China putting a man into space or on the moon is seen in a negative way, period. I could give you many examples, where something is seen as positve by most Chinese and yet viewed negatively by most Westerners. Topics that shouldn't even politicized. This substle difference in perspective is what drives the diffeence in Western media. Even the putting on of the 2008 Olympics, in all its grandeur, is seen by many in the West as being negative.
Once again, I am not apologist for the Chinese Communist party. But I don't believe the sins of the father should be held against his offsprings.
You claim the Chinese have intentions of pushing the US out of the Pacific. But the reality is, your fear of China having a carrier means you want to deny China the right to operate carriers in the Pacific. From the Chinese perspective, you want to contain China. And that is a very sensitive topic in China, even amongst ordinary Chinese, and that is containment or the thwarting of China's rise.
Just as many American's fear China's rise, the Chinese fear American containment.
Many in the West will take something that is a source of pride for the Chinese and will twist it such a way so as to make it appear negative. The example I gave in post #76 of space exploration. A source of pride amongst ordinary Chinese citizen, yet scorned by many in the West.
China has the right to industrialize, progress, move forward, etc. Building an aircraft carrier is one such progress. I'm not advocating that they build 50 carriers. But when China is many times larger than the countries that do have carriers, its not an unreasonable goal. China is 22 times larger than the UK in population and 2 times larger in GDP. It is therefore not unreasonble, for China, with a peacetime budget, to have four aircraft carriers (the British currently have two).
Once again, I support the right for the nation of China to move forward.
Me not go into dlinks now, OK you? You shirt dirty boy!
I like your slant on this.
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