Posted on 04/07/2011 10:42:20 AM PDT by null and void
Good Stuff!
FMD was nowhere near cute enough. It's gotta be Mathis, although at one time I was thinking maybe Harry Belafonte? If we're going to get him a citizen father, I am thinking we go for Hollywood pizzazz.
Hey, speaking of looks, keep your eye on the 9th Circuit. My girlfriend Orly is back, and so is Gary Kreep. He wrote a fabulous brief, but she is way cuter. The big day is May 2.
BTW, Valerie Jarrett, who really runs this country, is FMD's best friend's daughter-in-law.
Actually it does. The rules governing impeachment would still apply. It would not be a law enforcement issue until he was removed by congress, because he would still enjoy presidential immunity until that point.
Actually it does. The rules governing impeachment would still apply. It would not be a law enforcement issue until he was removed by congress, because he would still enjoy presidential immunity until that point.
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What part of the Constitution states how a usurper is to be removed?
You're getting hung up on that word. Like it or not, after being certified by congress and sworn in, he's the president. He'll be the president until he either dies, is impeached, or his term expires. There is no need to look for another constitutional means of removal (and there isn't one), since impeachment is still very much viable for this situation.
You're getting hung up on that word. Like it or not, after being certified by congress and sworn in, he's the president. He'll be the president until he either dies, is impeached, or his term expires. There is no need to look for another constitutional means of removal (and there isn't one), since impeachment is still very much viable for this situation.
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Had your opinion been the determinate one at their respective times, the likes of Moodie, Gallatin and Shields would have remained in office as "duly" elected by the people, even though they were not qualified. In other words, they were usurpers.
Your getting hung up on assuming 1) he's a legitimate, Constitutionally qualified POTUS and b) the 111th Congress didn't violate the law and 3) once elected and acting the part, politicians can not be removed from office for being usurpers.
You stated the Constitution provides a way to remove a usurper. Where is that?
I spelled it out for you man. It's called impeachment.
So just ignore the Constitution and the rule of law. Pretend it's not so. That will make it all right.
The fact remains that an unqualified imposter has managed to get his hands on the reins of power, just because no one wanted to ask uncomfortable questions. And even now, when a few brave souls are forcing the issue, the wussy pundits and politicians still won't pull their heads out of the sand.
Just look at the damage Obama has done already--and that's just the 10% we KNOW about. Given the cowardly nature of congressmen, once they get to Washington, most of those destructive policies will never be undone. But there is a way to make them all disappear: Remove Obama from office, declare all of his actions null and void, and begin the work of restoring the Republic.
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So your saying a legitimate President is the same thing as a usurper?
If they aren't the same, you've yet to "spell it out" dude.
The Constitution provides only one way to remove a sitting President: impeachment.
Accordingly, if a court were to determine that he is ineligible for the office, the only recourse would be impeachment.
Recall, however, that a Democrat Senate refused to find Bill Clinton guilty of (blatent) perjury and (obvious) obsgruction of justice.
It would not surprise me if, should Obama be found to have born in Borneo, that a Democrat Senate would not judge that peachy keen.
I'm saying that the procedure is the same to remove a president whether the wrong doing occurred while in office, before holding office, or occurred while running for office. If it turns out that he was born in Soviet Russia, was carefully planted here by the ghost of Khrushchev and placed in power by Putin himself, the process of removal is the same.
The strawmen some of you construct baffle me. How am I ignoring the Constitution? I don’t have the power to wave a wand and make Obomba go away, and neither does Rush Limbaugh.
For the last time - TAKE UP THE ISSUE WITH YOUR CONGRESS CRITTER. THAT IS WHO CAN HELP YOU, NOT RUSH LIMBAUGH, OR FELLOW FREEPERS. Taking out your frustrations for being unable to convince Congress that the President is a fraud is a “you” issue, buddy.
It's this ignorance that diminishes the BC movement, IMO. Obomba is not going to resign, a radio host isn't going to accomplish anything, and Congress is the most realistic, as well as only procedural, approach to removing him from office, outside of defeating him in 2012.
Congress's role in impeachment hearings would be to fact find if there was wrong doing. In this case, if Barry was found not eligible by the courts (SCOTUS), there would be no need for impeachment hearings. SCOTUS can rule on the framers intent. Congress can not define "natural born Citizen." They tried that once already, but overturned themselves shortly thereafter.
Since Congress can not make a determination (on their own) as to who may be a "natural born Citizen" (aside from non binding resolutions like Senate res 511), it would be up to SCOTUS to make that determination.
Even IF, it were Congresses job to determine who a "natural born Citizen" is, they could only impeach and convict him. What happens after that if Barry doesn't voluntarily leave? Law enforcement. Just as I said earlier.
Law enforcement would have gotten involved had he not voluntarily vacated the office.
You're just inventing ever more fanciful scenarios as we go along. Now you're talking about president who's been impeached, convicted, but is petulantly refusing to pack his bags and leave? C'mon, this isn't a recess game of what if, with 3rd graders. You've been given your explanation by several now, and it's devolved to silliness. Take the explanation or don't. Either way, I'm done.
No matter how hard you try, you can't make someone illegally holding an office into someone legit.
Do I think the Moodie story was invented? No. Am I familiar with the Constitution of North Dakota? No. Does a ruling on a state constitution set precedent for a federal matter? No. In other words, I’m wholly unqualified to discuss matters concerning the North Dakota constitution, other than to say it has no bearing on a federal matter.
For the record, while it’s not a popular opinion here, I believe that Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president. I believe he was born in HI, and that makes him a native citizen, and I refute the notion that native and natural born are anything other than synonymous.
That said, if Obama were to be foreign born, the only problem I can possibly see with impeachment would be that of succession. Ie, would the VP on a ticket with a president who was not eligible succeed that president in this circumstance? It’s a wholly academic question, because if such fraud were ever to be truly found, I’m certain that both would resign before it could be legally addressed on any level, thus avoiding a constitutional crisis. The speaker being a Republican, it would go unchallenged.
(Just returning to FR after a month and catching up with freepmail.)
This is interesting. The caller was allowed on; he screens callers with a fine tooth comb. I think you are correct and he is covering his okole because he knows stuff will be made public.
I have zero respect for him or any other “conservative” talk person who never or rarely touched on this, what to speak of those who used scorn.
You must be way behind in the news. ;-)
Some other people think Rush is turning the corner on Obama’s eligibility issue now by letting that lady scold him. Trump will be on his show this Friday.
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