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(Wisconsin)High-profile lawyers retained for possible Supreme Court recount
The Capital Times (Wisconsin) ^ | April 7, 2011 11:00 pm | JESSICA VANEGEREN AND STEVEN ELBOW

Posted on 04/08/2011 4:55:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625

Kloppenburg's campaign is working with Marc Elias, an attorney with Perkins Coie, a Washington D.C.-based firm with an office in downtown Madison. Elias is the same attorney who represented Democratic challenger Al Franken in his eight-month epic recount battle with incumbent Republican Norm Coleman. Franken eventually prevailed, winning his U.S. Senate seat by 312 votes.

Prosser has hired Ben Ginsberg, a Washington-D.C. attorney who played a prominent role in the 2000 Bush-Gore presidential recount effort in Florida. He was also part of the team that represented Coleman in his recount effort. Prosser has also retained Madison attorney Jim Troupis, and Dan Kelly, who is based in Milwaukee.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: benginsberg; dankelly; jimtroupis; kloppenburg; marcelias; perkinscoie; prosser; wisconsinshowdown
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It's not over until it's over.

And when Dems lose, it's NEVER over until they are declared the winners.

1 posted on 04/08/2011 4:55:47 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625

How bout this. Let’s go with what we’ve got. Prosser got the majority of the votes. Let him keep his job and we all celebrate by stringing up a bunch of shyster lawyers on an old oak! We could really “make the world a better place” while getting in a lot of good laughs.


2 posted on 04/08/2011 4:59:29 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How's that Keynesian economics working out for ya so far?)
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To: PapaBear3625; Al B.; onyx; Brices Crossroads; Lakeshark; sarah fan UK
Now where have I heard about Perkins Coie before?

Oh yeah...

The Harassment of Sarah Palin"

Indeed, former Democratic Presidential nominee Senator Kerry’s trust was drafted by Perkins Coie, President Barack Obama’s law firm.

On cue, within minutes of the announcement of Governor Palin’s trust, a complaint was filed. And, the first “independent counsel” selected to investigate the trust was none other than the Alaska office of Perkins Coie.

Apparently before realizing that Governor Palin’s trust was nearly identical to the trust Perkins Coie prepared for John Kerry, the Perkins Coie “independent counsel” found in a detailed nine page “CONFIDENTIAL” letter — that was promptly leaked to the media — that Gov. Palin’s trust was illegal.

3 posted on 04/08/2011 5:03:32 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: PapaBear3625

The Democrats and their lawyers can go to Hell.


4 posted on 04/08/2011 5:05:33 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
From their wiki page:
The firm is counsel of record for the Democratic National Committee, and other political clients include nearly all Democratic members of the United States Congress, as well as several Presidential campaigns, including those of John Kerry and Barack Obama. Its corporate clients include international high-technology and telecommunications companies.

With its main office located in Seattle, Perkins Coie is the oldest and largest law firm headquartered in the Pacific Northwest. Notable living alumni of the firm include, among others, current White House Counsel Robert Bauer, current Attorney General of Washington State Rob McKenna, and 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Judges Margaret McKeown and Ronald M. Gould.[3]

In 2009, President Obama appointed Robert Bauer, the Chair of the firm's Political Law Group, to become his White House Counsel.


5 posted on 04/08/2011 5:09:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Perkens Coie is the firm that represents obama in any BC challenges also.


6 posted on 04/08/2011 5:11:54 AM PDT by Hypo2
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To: PapaBear3625

The Dems are hoping to Frankenize the Wisconsin election and they are crafty. Gotta keep an eye on them every minute. In Minnesota they had the Sec. of State and the judges on their side.


7 posted on 04/08/2011 5:17:26 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Good memory. Prosser’s lead negates the communist’s *right* to a recount.


8 posted on 04/08/2011 5:18:07 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: PapaBear3625

No matter who wins or loses, the lawyers always win.


9 posted on 04/08/2011 5:19:49 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

WI Sec of State is also Soros-provided lefty, just like in MN.

Elections matter. As Stalin commented, it is not the votes that count, but the ones who count the votes..


10 posted on 04/08/2011 5:19:51 AM PDT by heiss
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To: popdonnelly
That is where all democrats are headed, unless they repent while they still have breath in them. Repentance would have to include leaving the Democrat party, you know dems have this ticklish issue of infanticide, and spitting on God/Christ to deal with.
11 posted on 04/08/2011 5:20:04 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012, PLEASE LORD)
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To: PapaBear3625
Somewhere down the line, the Conservatives, I am reluctant to use the term "Republican" because too many Republicans not only go along with the Democrat's tactics but aid and abet them,have got to fight back.If not, forget about, it is all over. They win.

I got a feeling that the 2012 Presidental Election is going to be a barn burned. We probably will see how nasty the Democrats can get when they control the enforcement arm of the election process.

12 posted on 04/08/2011 5:22:52 AM PDT by sport
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To: onyx

I believe while an automatic recount is now negated, Klop can fund her own recount. The question is what sources of funding are allowed.


13 posted on 04/08/2011 5:29:43 AM PDT by torchthemummy (The Audacity Of Truth Trumps All)
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To: PapaBear3625
Good luck with that. The only numbers not reported were those to the Associated Press. The numbers were duly reported in the official channels.

Unless the lawyers intend to argue that the Associated Press is the final arbiter of all elections henceforth (a fate devoutly desired by the left), they have NO case.

14 posted on 04/08/2011 5:30:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I expect that the officials in Madison or Milwaukee will discover computer errors of their own some time today. By the time they’re done, Prosser’s vote total could be a negative number.


15 posted on 04/08/2011 5:32:02 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: K-Stater

I am hoping that Madison will be too busy defending the fraud votes already submitted (10,000 is a large number) and coming up with another 7,500 may be just too many. It is one thing to evaporate a 1,500 vote lead. Trying to overcome a 7,500 lead may prove too large even for the leftist lawyers to pull off. You can bet the Union will pour millions into this recount but overturning this number would be a big job. Our lady in Waukesha knew exactly what she was doing - hold back a significant number of LEGITIMATE votes that will hold up under scrutiny; trying to manufacture such a large number of FRAUDULENT votes may be more than even the libs can pull off. (Although, with the MSM behind them, we can never rest until it is officially over.)


16 posted on 04/08/2011 5:39:36 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: K-Stater

In an earlier thread I read that the Milwaukee ballots are being kept in a “secure” warehouse with the Rats holding the keys! Any Wisconsin members confirm this??


17 posted on 04/08/2011 5:40:08 AM PDT by CedarDave (Democrats believe in democracy when they have the votes; when they don't they believe in thuggery.)
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To: K-Stater

“...By the time they’re done, Prosser’s vote total could be a negative number.”

They have to be careful not to manufacture or “find” too many uncounted votes lest the leftist win by millions of votes. (The Progressives are becoming increasingly and obviously subversive.)

IMHO


18 posted on 04/08/2011 5:41:18 AM PDT by ripley
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To: heiss
As Stalin commented, it is not the votes that count, but the ones who count the votes..

And a Dem Secretary of State will delay certifying a Republican winner for as long as can plausibly (or even implausibly) justify doing so. Particularly if he can get a compliant judge to give him cover.

19 posted on 04/08/2011 5:47:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

All I can say is thank God Prosser is the INCUMBENT. He can stay in place and uphold Walker’s law while the whole silly recount goes on and on and...


20 posted on 04/08/2011 5:48:04 AM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: PapaBear3625

But this is a good thing.

The error that resulted in the Prosser undercount only affected the unofficial numbers reported to the press. Unofficial numbers have no validity.

There is no question that the official tally was correct — the vic-chair of the County Democrat Party in question already is on record as saying the votes are valid.

Any appeal will go to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. If they vote on basis of the law, they will uphold Prosser’s election 8-0 (Prosser cannot vote). If they vote based on party affiliation it will go 4-4, which still seats Prosser, because he is currently ahead.

7000 votes (out of 1.5 million) is really outside the margin of fraud, especially three days after an election. It is easy to manufacture votes on election day or the day after, but becomes more difficult on subsequent days. It becomes exponentially more difficult *after* the official canvass. Not saying it cannot be done, but it is hard, and ginning up 7500 or so is going to be really hard.

High-profile lawyers are expensive and money spent on them is money that will be unavailable to the Union thugs in the 2012 campaign.


21 posted on 04/08/2011 5:48:53 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz
Kloppenburg's campaign is working with Marc Elias, an attorney with Perkins Coie, a Washington D.C.-based firm with an office in downtown Madison. Elias is the same attorney who represented Democratic challenger Al Franken in his eight-month epic recount battle with incumbent Republican Norm Coleman.

What an amazing coincidence!

22 posted on 04/08/2011 5:59:39 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: PapaBear3625

actually they may be overreaching here....after Florida 2000, Maria Cantwell, Al Franken, I think the American people are getting good and weary of having their elections being decided by lawyers (whom they generally loathe in the first place)


23 posted on 04/08/2011 6:03:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: popdonnelly

That’s the same thing as telling them to go home - “from whence they sprang”


24 posted on 04/08/2011 6:05:23 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: No Truce With Kings
Meanwhile, the WI repubs need to put together a Voter ID bill, and get it passed no later than next week. This way, it will be in place for any recall elections, and also in case a re-vote is ordered by some federal judge for the Prosser election. Meanwhile, Prosser is on the Supreme Court in case Voter ID gets challenged.

Voter ID and CCW are critical bits of legislation for the months ahead ( CCW to put a lid on any ideas of extreme union thuggery ).

25 posted on 04/08/2011 6:07:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: From The Deer Stand

They have the SOS and certainly Dane County judges on their side.


26 posted on 04/08/2011 6:07:46 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: popdonnelly
The Democrats and their lawyers can go to Hell.

Patience. :-)

27 posted on 04/08/2011 6:09:03 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ratsreek

Some good news has already come of this...the tons of money the outsiders and unions pumped into this race is down a rat hole now. That is less money for future endeavors.

More good news, this should remove some of the onus from the recall activities too.

Lastly, if a relative conservative can be elected in Wisconsin, that bodes not so well for the Great Pretender. If Trump does not get him, an awakened electorate just might.


28 posted on 04/08/2011 6:09:20 AM PDT by Mouton (Government expands to fill any voids in freedom.)
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To: PapaBear3625

It’s good to see that Republicans aren’t just going to roll over for this.


29 posted on 04/08/2011 6:13:11 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: onyx

No, it doesn’t. If you read the statute, you’ll see what’s allowed at what percentages and vote levels. In this case, it’s slightly over 1/2 of 1% which entitles either candidate to request a recount of any ward at $5 per ward. Over 2% and the candidate pays the full cost and has to have court permission. At less than 1/2 of 1% the state pays for it.


30 posted on 04/08/2011 6:14:13 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: sport

We don’t have to let them control the enforcement arm if we don’t want them to.


31 posted on 04/08/2011 6:16:58 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: No Truce With Kings
High-profile lawyers are expensive and money spent on them is money that will be unavailable to the Union thugs in the 2012 campaign.

Bingo! But unfortunately, it's the WI taxpayers who are footing the bill. Even if they don't support what the unions or doing and voted for Prosser, their taxes pay WI public sector workers and part of their pay goes to the unions. This is what is so onerous about public sector unions. The taxpayers have no seat at the table.

7,000 votes is an impossible hurdle. A standard recount is likely add to Prosser's lead as my bet is more Klop votes get negated than Prosser ones in a recount.

What Klop's lawyers might instead try do is either get those recently added votes tossed out for some reason or raise enough issues to get the election thrown out and a new election ordered.

You can bet there would be no small number of Dane County voters who would gladly go on record as witnessing all kinds of voting irregularities - even if they were fabrications. If they'll dispense and use phony medical excuses, they'll stop at nothing.

The shame is that if all those Waukesha Prosser votes were tallied the night of the election, Klop would most like have conceded and this would probably be a non-issue. Now it's just going to drag on and end up angering people and raising even more doubts about fair elections - even if it was just a clerical mistake.

32 posted on 04/08/2011 6:17:29 AM PDT by randita
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To: PapaBear3625

“Meanwhile, the WI repubs need to put together a Voter ID bill, and get it passed no later than next week.”

Actually, yesterday I heard that they had done that already — that it was one of the pieces of legislation passed while the Democrat Senators were flee-bagging. Eliminated same-day registration and vouching, too.

I might be wrong. I am from Texas and do not follow Wisconsin politics that closely.


33 posted on 04/08/2011 6:18:13 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: torchthemummy
It looks like the margin is still very close to the 0.5% of the required threshold of a free recount. The final vote tabulation after today will reveal how close.

Personally, I'd like a recount - as long as it is just that, and not a re-vote with "judges" scrutinizing every spoiled ballot to discern some obscure "voter intent." A fair recount would take nearly all the wind out of the 'Rat's sails. Any further wrangling would show how disingenuous they are about valuing a fair election.

34 posted on 04/08/2011 6:23:11 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: randita

“What Klop’s lawyers might instead try do is either get those recently added votes tossed out for some reason or raise enough issues to get the election thrown out and a new election ordered.”

Possibly, but the Wisconsin Supremes are the ones that ultimately throw out an election, and you need better than a 4-4 decision for that. So Prosser collects passes “GO” and collects his tokens. And if it goes to the US Supreme Court it should be a minumum of 5-4 in favor of upholding the election, and more likely 6-3 or even 7-2.

Regardless, as long as the appeals drag on Prosser remains the fifth vote on the WSC deciding the Union defunding bill.


35 posted on 04/08/2011 6:23:22 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: ratsreek

I suppose that “we” wanted to then,because when the traitors put obama in the White House this gave the control of the DOJ to obama and in anyone believes that the DOJ, as administered by Holder impartially enforces the law,well, the nicest thing I can say is that they are beyond help.


36 posted on 04/08/2011 6:23:41 AM PDT by sport
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To: PapaBear3625
And a Dem Secretary of State will delay certifying a Republican winner for as long as can plausibly (or even implausibly) justify doing so.

Thankfully, Prosser is already in office. This can't be negated.

37 posted on 04/08/2011 6:26:26 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: Mouton
Lastly, if a relative conservative can be elected in Wisconsin, that bodes not so well for the Great Pretender. If Trump does not get him, an awakened electorate just might.

Obama won WI 56%-42% in 2008. He would have to work a LOT harder if (1) much less union money, and (2) it was harder to commit vote fraud. Every state which his task is harder, is a state where he has to spend more money. Every bit helps.

38 posted on 04/08/2011 6:30:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: No Truce With Kings

You’re right. The WI Assembly passed Voter ID while the fleebaggers were away and sent it to the Senate. Because implementing the law involves state expenditures (for ex. providing picture IDs for the poor), the Senate couldn’t act until the fleebaggers returned. I think the new session begins very soon.


39 posted on 04/08/2011 6:32:00 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: No Truce With Kings

If the votes were already manufactured but held back until and unless needed, we’re not talking aboout that many ballots salted throughout rat strongholds. Don’t forget about same-day provisional ballotting. I think that’s their ace in the hole.

Between the provisionals and “found” ballots, they only need about 25k votes in areas that went about 65% for Klopp to get there. 25k ballots is less than 2% of the total vote right now.

It’s doable with experienced attorneys and willing judges.


40 posted on 04/08/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: No Truce With Kings
The error that resulted in the Prosser undercount only affected the unofficial numbers reported to the press. Unofficial numbers have no validity.

Thanks for reiterating this important fact. No votes were manufactured; it was merely a reporting oversight. The Left, and even many conservatives, miss this point. Of course, this fact will be highlighted in the days to come, which will make the Leftists absolutely livid.

41 posted on 04/08/2011 6:33:16 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: randita
The shame is that if all those Waukesha Prosser votes were tallied the night of the election, Klop would most like have conceded and this would probably be a non-issue.

I disagree. If the Prosser votes were known about, the Dems would have gotten the votes to squeak by, by whatever means necessary. The Dems ALWAYS seem to win when it's a tight race, and under 1% is a tight race.

42 posted on 04/08/2011 6:33:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625
The margin is too large to get away with a Franken.

This is an exercise in futility, IMO, that even the filthy Dems can't pull off.

43 posted on 04/08/2011 6:34:37 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: No Truce With Kings
Actually, yesterday I heard that they had done that already — that it was one of the pieces of legislation passed while the Democrat Senators were flee-bagging. Eliminated same-day registration and vouching, too.

Madison has lots of students on the voting rolls. Students graduate and move away, but the names stay on the rolls. Without photo ID requirements, Dem operatives can just get a printout of the names and addresses of the last two graduating classes, plus a list of people who have died but are still on the rolls, and have people go vote in their names late on election evening.

44 posted on 04/08/2011 6:37:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: randita

Klop would not have conceded. The union thugs wouldn’t let her.


45 posted on 04/08/2011 6:37:22 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The problem with lawyer jokes is that lawyers don’t think they are funny and the rest of us don’t think they are jokes.


46 posted on 04/08/2011 6:39:27 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: fwdude
Thankfully, Prosser is already in office. This can't be negated.

If it can get dragged out to when his term ends in August, then the Dem Secretary of State can declare the seat vacant, and the court will be split 4-4.

47 posted on 04/08/2011 6:39:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625
"If the Prosser votes were known about, the Dems would have gotten the votes to squeak by, by whatever means necessary. The Dems ALWAYS seem to win when it's a tight race, and under 1% is a tight race."

This would have been a brilliant move by the Wisconsin Republicans if it were deliberate (which I doubt).

48 posted on 04/08/2011 6:40:11 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: sport

Maybe we just need to “volunteer”. :)


49 posted on 04/08/2011 6:42:47 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: PapaBear3625

Perkins Coie is scum. Check out their website w a big ol “diversity” page going on about LGBT and minorities. This firm is not a law firm. It is a political action committee of lib/lawyers/liars/low lifes


50 posted on 04/08/2011 6:43:15 AM PDT by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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