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Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims
msDNC ^ | 4/10/11 | Michael Isikoff

Posted on 04/10/2011 10:01:50 AM PDT by Nachum

Comments follow statements by Donald Trump questioning legitimacy of president's birth record

The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

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"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.

Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; denounces; drchiyomefukino; fukifino; fukino; hawaii; isikoff; ludicrous; naturalborncitizen; official; trump
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1 posted on 04/10/2011 10:01:51 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Prove it’s “ludicrous”

Produce a birth certificate


2 posted on 04/10/2011 10:02:56 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Nachum

sooooo just pop out the original and prove em all wrong!

still waitin


3 posted on 04/10/2011 10:03:10 AM PDT by Casaubon (Internet Research Ninja Masta)
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To: Nachum

Every American has had to produce a real BC....so THIS really could get legs...


4 posted on 04/10/2011 10:04:03 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: Nachum; LucyT; STARWISE; null and void

PING!


5 posted on 04/10/2011 10:04:29 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Nachum

“”It’s kind of ludicrous at this point,””

In other words: Obama is president now so just shut up.

There is no time like now to prove everyone wrong and show the birth certificate.


6 posted on 04/10/2011 10:04:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Nachum; LucyT; warsaw44; ColdOne; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; ...

HI liars ping.................


7 posted on 04/10/2011 10:04:44 AM PDT by melancholy (.Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: Nachum

Trump is correct in saying that while Obama may have been born in Hawaii, it is clear his is going to lot of effort and expense (of our money) to hide something possibly more sinister.


8 posted on 04/10/2011 10:05:02 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: yldstrk
Like the Donald said he seen better stuff made on Wall Street.

Why spend 2 Million if producing a simple long form birth certificate?

9 posted on 04/10/2011 10:05:15 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Nachum

Am I reading this correctly? Is she saying that if Obama himself wanted a copy of his birth certificate he could only get a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth?


10 posted on 04/10/2011 10:06:37 AM PDT by truthkeeper ( Life is a pre-existing condition - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: yldstrk

Party affiliation not mentioned, so obviously not a Republican.
Obviously a Democratic Party leftist.
Probably “mis-speaking”


11 posted on 04/10/2011 10:07:40 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Obama & the "Dem Party" have proved America is ready for Fascism/Socialism.)
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To: Nachum

http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may-have-a-criminal-past


12 posted on 04/10/2011 10:07:58 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Nachum

I guess the new forgery has been finished and is ready for public consumption. Oh-oh!


13 posted on 04/10/2011 10:07:59 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: Nachum

“It’s kind of ludicrous at this point,” Dr. Chiyome Fukino>>>>>>

No one is dumb enough to believe this Democrat hack.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 10:08:53 AM PDT by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: yldstrk
That's why he was exasperated. The WH told him to appear amused, but he finds it exasperating to lie on their behalf, particularly if the truth is about to come out.

Furthermore, Trump isn't going to keep picking at this unless he has the goods on Obama. It appears that the WH doesn't know what Trump has found out.

As always, there is much more to this than meets the eye.

15 posted on 04/10/2011 10:09:32 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Nachum
OK, let's pretend it exists. What names are on it?
16 posted on 04/10/2011 10:10:40 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Nachum
The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

SHUT THE BIRTHERS UP! I DARE YOU TO SIMPLY SHOW IT!

17 posted on 04/10/2011 10:12:16 AM PDT by melancholy (.Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: yldstrk

There is a “there” here. It’s fun watching all the libs squirm and spin. Wonder why they don’t just produce it?
Because they know it will collapse their house of cards.
It just won’t go away.

deeptrout


18 posted on 04/10/2011 10:13:09 AM PDT by deep trout
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To: truthkeeper

no the idiot from the AG ‘s office Joshua Wisch is saying that and it is not correct...

But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.


19 posted on 04/10/2011 10:13:30 AM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: Nachum; melancholy

Anyone wonder what the RATs would do or say if there was a national donation drive to hire expert private detectives to work this case on behalf of We The People of the USA? Or, is Donald Trump doing that for us? Anyone know for sure?


20 posted on 04/10/2011 10:13:48 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Nachum

It’s so ludicrous, in fact, that they’ve spent millions trying to make the whole issue go away. If it’s so ludicrous, produce the danged thang.


21 posted on 04/10/2011 10:14:35 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Nachum

She NEVER said she personally saw it

Her statement was picture-perfect “Clintonesque” in its delicate parsing and appearance of stating the opposite of what you really mean.

She said SHE SENT A REPRESENTATIVE.

She never even said he saw it, only that she was confident in the results (or somethin smilar)

If you read her statement at the time and look for anything that says the long from birth certificate exists and was seenm you wil not find it

Even now sh is not saying I SAW IT she is saying SHE CANT BELIEVE THE ISSUE STILL EXISTS (not quite the same thing)


22 posted on 04/10/2011 10:14:57 AM PDT by Mr. K (this adminsitration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!!)
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To: Nachum
"Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

Why is Trump afraid to say the words "natural born Citizen"?

23 posted on 04/10/2011 10:15:24 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Nachum

And so we are just supposed to forget that the sitting Governor of Hawaii, after searching for two weeks, concluded that a BC “probably does not exist.”


24 posted on 04/10/2011 10:15:34 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: Nachum

“It’s kind of ludicrous at this point,”

What is ludicrous, and insuting to the American people, is refusing to show the BC.


25 posted on 04/10/2011 10:16:28 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Nachum
State of Hawaii public records officials are up to their necks in this thing.

If there isn't a long-form BC (which at this point seems likely), just what did they use to issue the electronically-generated birth “certification” document?

And if the only original records relate to Barry Soetero’s adoption, why wasn't the certification issued with that name, instead of BHO?

These people have a lot of ‘splaining to do. And almost as much at stake should the truth come out as Barry himself.

26 posted on 04/10/2011 10:16:53 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Nachum

Is that pig starting to squeal? I think so...


27 posted on 04/10/2011 10:17:27 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: melancholy

WE need to get the democrats on board (or at least the appearance of democraps hee hee hee) by getting them to mock the tea party by saying they are going to show the BC once and for all

Obambi wont know how to react to that, except to tell them to be quiet and then we have THAT on record...


28 posted on 04/10/2011 10:17:38 AM PDT by Mr. K (this adminsitration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!!)
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To: All

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html

Mainland media has also continued to focus attention on the birthers. CNN’s Lou Dobbs last week demanded Obama’s original birth certificate. That was followed by CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein telling staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” that the issue is a “dead” story, according to a Los Angeles Times report.

In an e-mail, according to the Times, Klein wrote that CNN researchers had determined that Obama’s 1961 birth certificate no longer exists because Hawai’i officials had discarded paper documents in 2001 — a claim denied yesterday by Isle health officials.


29 posted on 04/10/2011 10:17:48 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Nachum

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, JABSOM "Distinguished Alumna"


30 posted on 04/10/2011 10:18:36 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Nachum
HA. This MSNBC story is purely for the consumption of Obama's base.

That's because Trump has got some on the left questioning the story now too.

She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files

This confirms what I think; I think he has a real BC but there's something incriminating on it.

I would almost believe that COLB is all he could get, except for the the fact that Obama has spent millions FIGHTING the release of the other form. If it's true that the COLB is all that HI will release, they would be spending money fighting the case, not Obama personally.

This story has Bob Bauer's fingerprints all over it.

31 posted on 04/10/2011 10:19:52 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: mojito

I noticed Isikoff didnt ask Governor Abercrumb about his inability to find the long form, just a notation...sloppy reporting.


32 posted on 04/10/2011 10:19:53 AM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: yldstrk
Prove it’s “ludicrous” Produce a birth certificate

The uninformed morons of America are satisfied that the jpeg of Obama's fake COLB is a "birth certificate".

This is why Trump needs to keep hammering on the differences between a short form, versus a long form bc. This is the basic cloak that Obama's hiding behind.

33 posted on 04/10/2011 10:20:14 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: yldstrk

The spokesperson for the HI attorney general’s office has said that HI law will not allow the original BC to be given even to the individual. If thats true how come numerous other people born in HI have posted their long form BC’s online as proof that the original BC shows much more info than the COLB and is signed by a doctor? Not to mention that BHO wrote in “Dreams From My Father” that he found his birth certificate among other items. So unless he conveniently lost it he has one.

Somebody correct my memory but did Fukimo every actually say the Obama was born in HI or did she just say she viewed the birth certificate? If so how come the new Gov was told there isn’t one? HOw come that guy who worked in the HI elections dept in 2008 was told they didn’t have one? Somebody is zooming somebody here.


34 posted on 04/10/2011 10:20:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Looked at the article linked, if any of this is true, he will grant himself a pardon.


35 posted on 04/10/2011 10:20:39 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Mr. K

“Trust, but verify”. Ronald Reagan

deeptrout


36 posted on 04/10/2011 10:21:35 AM PDT by deep trout
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To: Nachum
She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.

Dr. Fukino could easily offer tangible proof of her assertions by showing the document or documents. Surely the Kenyan usurper would be delighted to show his bonafides?

At the very least, she could name the doctor and the hospital, rather than merely asserting that such exist. Even if the Kenyan usurper hasn't asked her successor to make public such records, he could be proactive and ask for such permission.

37 posted on 04/10/2011 10:22:37 AM PDT by snowsislander (The Nigerian 419 scammers must be envious of what this Kenyan fraud has accomplished.)
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To: Nachum

Dr. Chiyome Fukino Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama’s original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is “real” .

I say they show the “original un-retouched documents”, the good Doctor swear on penalty of death or STFU. Some dem’s word about the color of Stop signs isn’t worth spit.


38 posted on 04/10/2011 10:23:17 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: dennisw

Like she has nothing to lose if it found out there is no long form BC...maybe there is but what else is in their files and is it a forgery?


39 posted on 04/10/2011 10:23:49 AM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: butterdezillion

PING

New Dr. Chiyome Fukino interview.

The first is that the original so-called “long form” birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a “record of live birth” — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state’s then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document’s validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.


40 posted on 04/10/2011 10:23:54 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Nachum
The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists"

So can we see it? Why won't you post it on the web? If they can post the COLB they can post the long form. Period -- end of smear campaign.

41 posted on 04/10/2011 10:24:40 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Nachum

OK, so Obama should have no trouble authorizing the DOH to provide a certified copy of the long form and his other records to the governor of Hawaii. Why didn’t he do this back when Gov. Abercrombie claimed to be trying to put the issue rest earlier this year?


42 posted on 04/10/2011 10:24:47 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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Idiot!! We don't want it RELEASED, we want it SHOWN!! Stupido!
43 posted on 04/10/2011 10:24:57 AM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: Nachum
Your DNC talking point of the moment

Has to be part of the WH plan since they had just sent out a spokesperson to talk on the issue recently. No coicidence.

Anybody who wants this go get even more exposed. Post links and or comments on USENET FORMUMS and they WILL become the results in Google search

44 posted on 04/10/2011 10:26:33 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Nachum

okay....forget the BC....let’s see the Passport History....


45 posted on 04/10/2011 10:26:46 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: JoeProBono

Yea....I believe this person.....right.....is the Dr. honorary?


46 posted on 04/10/2011 10:27:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Nachum

What needs to happen is Americans enmasse mail and email this Hawaiian official and challenge/dare them to prove Bammy’s citizenship by simply producing his long form BC and to stop the blustering and obfuscating. Make them hateful and sarcastic poking fun at how moronic and idiotic they are making themselves look by trying to protect their Dear Leader.

Oh yeah. Get the phone number and leave lots of voicemails and keep her office so busy with it all that they just finally give up and release it. We have to be relentless.


47 posted on 04/10/2011 10:27:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Nachum

What is missing from ALL the Hawaiian official statements so far? There’s at least one normal thing that gets addressed in such responses that they haven’t ever addressed.


48 posted on 04/10/2011 10:29:11 AM PDT by bvw
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To: rolling_stone
if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

First of all, that image of the alleged Obama COLB that was put up on the internet has been proven to be fake, so NO, Obama didn't "fill out a form" to obtain it.

Secondly, the short form bc (COLB) isn't accepted as proof positive of identification by many gov't agencies, and even private institutions. Americans who were born in Hawaii still have to produce their long form birth certs, just like any other Americans. There still must be a mechanism for them to obtain a copy of their long form birth certificate, or they're in a world of hurt.

I was without a valid Texas driver's license for a couple of months, some years back, because the state of Texas accepts ONLY a long form bc as proof of identity.

Now, what if I'd been born in Hawaii, and my long form had gone missing? I'd be screwed, if Hawaii would only give me a COLB.

49 posted on 04/10/2011 10:29:24 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: goodnesswins

And transcripts, theses, voting records, appointment calendars, call records, tax returns before becoming President.....etc. The whole damned nine yards....they did this to Bush.


50 posted on 04/10/2011 10:30:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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