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Charles Krauthammer: Paul Ryan’s ‘suicide note’
OC Register ^ | April 07, 2011 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 04/10/2011 1:47:05 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

In 1983, the British Labor Party under the hard-left Michael Foot issued a 700-page manifesto so radical that one colleague called it "the longest suicide note in history." House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan has just released a recklessly bold, 73-page, 10-year budget plan. At 37 footnotes, it might be the most annotated suicide note in history.

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KEYWORDS: budget; krauthammer; ryan; spending
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Don't be misled by the title. Krauthammer says the ultimate fate of Ryan's budget proposal depends on several factors, including whether "Americans are serious people." My comment: If they are not serious, we are doomed anyway.
1 posted on 04/10/2011 1:47:08 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: jenk; sickoflibs; Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3

Budget ping!


2 posted on 04/10/2011 1:49:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Actually it depends on the backbone of HIS party..right now it is not looking so good


3 posted on 04/10/2011 1:49:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: RnMomof7
Lets nor leave out messaging. The Pubs have the weakest response team in the in the game . By that i mean none. We Reid , Pelosi and a list of lefty moonbats can accuse their party of attempted murder and that brings no respone , they look weak . More than anything America hates weakness in their spokespeople . When the going gets tough the weaklings will abandon Ryan and issue a heartfelt apology . Beyond contemptible .
4 posted on 04/10/2011 1:56:35 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Sour Krauthammer, Tokyo Rove and Dana Perugino are the mouth pieces for the RINOs!


5 posted on 04/10/2011 1:57:22 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
...whether "Americans are serious people."

That question was, unfortunately, answered in 2008.

6 posted on 04/10/2011 2:00:25 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: leprechaun9

Dana Perino is as important for the right as Kirsten Powers if for the left. She’s isn’t influential.


7 posted on 04/10/2011 2:01:32 PM PDT by Politics4US
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Crankhammar seems to have gone stupid..
Any that think the TpCaucus is a small group are delusionary..
Not only that but they(TP) cannot be measured..
Polls prove nothing and are wholly propaganda..

2010 was a dress rehearsal for the main event in 2012..

8 posted on 04/10/2011 2:01:50 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: fantom
Plus, as Krauthammer wrote in the article, it depends on whether (b) there are any Republicans beyond the measured, super-wonky Ryan who can explain and defend a plan of such daunting scope and complexity,
9 posted on 04/10/2011 2:03:18 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: leprechaun9

Isn’t Krauthammer a Democrat? He is classified as a conservative because he is for a strong defense and supports the war against Islamic terrorism, but he doesn’t necessarily wish the Republican Party well.


10 posted on 04/10/2011 2:04:12 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I think Kraut’s got that confused with the 2000 page Obamacare bill that Pelosi and Reid shat out over a year ago. That was the suicide note for an entire nation.


11 posted on 04/10/2011 2:07:52 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: hosepipe
2010 was a dress rehearsal for the main event in 2012..

I hope you are right, but let's not assume it will be easy. It's not wise to oversimplify a complex political battle. Obama has already started to try to do to Boehner what Clinton did to Gingrich. Let's hope Obama fails.

12 posted on 04/10/2011 2:08:46 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Don't be misled by the title.

Too late. So far the responses seem to be to the title. It would help if people would actually read the articles before commenting on them, but I wouldn't hold my breathe for that.

13 posted on 04/10/2011 2:08:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The American people have lived too long with paying no price. They now think that the whole thing is a bluff. Money grows on trees and it will always keep pouring in.

People have lived on charge cards buying up things they cannot afford. That is how they were drawn in to this scam.

Now they feel that there is always a way out and that the gravy train will keep on rolling.

Never hurts to go for the best, Charles, if you get half, it is better than nothing.

But anyone that thinks just winning the House in 2010 gives the GOP control of the purse strings, they are fooling themselves. When we failed to get the Senate majority, we were left only being able to sell a promise of what we could do. It would take another election of winning big to make a dent in this nightmare.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 2:10:08 PM PDT by dforest
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To: bigbob
I think Kraut’s got that confused with the 2000 page Obamacare bill that Pelosi and Reid shat out over a year ago. That was the suicide note for an entire nation.

Did you read the article or just the title?

15 posted on 04/10/2011 2:10:44 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Ha...Usually it takes about 20 or so posts of rage before someone starts to read the thread article.


16 posted on 04/10/2011 2:11:58 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Where is the Great Santini NOW when we need him?)
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To: indylindy

True. We cannot simply overthrow everyone every six months. We have to work again in the primaries and get MORE Tea Party candidates into office. Voter ID is the next battle, IMHO.


17 posted on 04/10/2011 2:18:05 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: Jeff Chandler
Too late. So far the responses seem to be to the title. It would help if people would actually read the articles before commenting on them, but I wouldn't hold my breathe for that.

What's funny is Krauthammer has more intellectual prowess in his little finger than all the talking heads on FOX News pout together

I find it amazing the way he is so easily dismissed by Freepers because he says something that is not in lockstep with their views.

You can hardly go wrong following his thoughts and positions. he also as well will admit when he is wrong, which is a rare thing.

18 posted on 04/10/2011 2:23:10 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: leprechaun9

So...what part of the ARTICLE do you have an issue with?


19 posted on 04/10/2011 2:26:59 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: indylindy
"But anyone that thinks just winning the House in 2010 gives the GOP control of the purse strings..."

In fact, the House does control the purse strings. The only question is whether they are willing accept the consequences of their choices.

The House could set aside any budget proposal from Obama and craft their own budget and pass it. They have no obligation to consider anything Obama submits.

The rest of the government may not like it. The Senate may not pass it, and Obama may not sign it, but then at least it's clearly their choice not to fund the government.

The mistake the Repblican House is making is accepting Obama's proposal as the baseline, to which anything less is a "cut". The Constitution gives no budgeting role to the President.

20 posted on 04/10/2011 2:29:32 PM PDT by mlo
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Krauthammer is a liberal asshole!


21 posted on 04/10/2011 2:35:24 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“My comment: If they are not serious, we are doomed anyway.”

Might not want to go there. Not sure we can handle the truth. The term ‘bread and circuses’ comes to mind.


22 posted on 04/10/2011 2:36:06 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I think Chuck CabbageBeater probably has had too many delusions of Joe Biden praising him and asking him to stand up


23 posted on 04/10/2011 2:36:27 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Donald Trump wants Obama's BC released...Glenn Beck attacks Birthers....Now, who is supporting Obama)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Krauthammer (Mondale’s and Obama’s DARLING) is a
pretend conservative and a pretend Republican.

Krauthammer (also Romney’s DARLING) hates the TEA PARTY
because they are serious and real (unlike the
phony Krauthammer).


24 posted on 04/10/2011 2:39:28 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people''s money." M Thatcher)
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To: hosepipe
2010 was a dress rehearsal for the main event in 2012..
 
This is what I believe. I am not throwing in the towel on the American electorate until I see how the 2012 elections turn out.
 
Had all 100 Senators and President Obama been on the ballot last Fall, the Democrat Party would have been swept from power from top to bottom, I believe.
 
The right-leaning voters in most places around the country were very serious and are waiting for 2012 to finish the job, at least in terms of getting some common-sense adults in power who are fiscally conservative and who reject the hard left swerve we've seen over the past two years.
 
That said, I'm considerably more cynical about how difficult it will be to achieve broad agreement by the public when it comes to specific budget/deficit/debt/health/tax reforms or "fixes" that will be debated by the new Congress in 2013.

There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth! We will need leaders similar to Wisconsin's Walker who will stand firm in the face of protests from the recipient class and the onslaught of negative PR propaganda from the MSM.

Do we believe in miracles?


25 posted on 04/10/2011 2:45:55 PM PDT by Let_It_Be_So
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To: mlo

They aren’t willing to accept the consequences because they have no guarantee on how that would end up.

The democrats did that with Obamacare and lost a whole lot in 2010. That happened with a pliant and willing media to support them in every way. The GOP does not have that.

That is one of the reasons they are skittish.


26 posted on 04/10/2011 2:46:25 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Lancey Howard

The question was answered in the midterms in 2010 and in Wisconsin this past week.


27 posted on 04/10/2011 2:47:34 PM PDT by Carley (UNION AGITATORS, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Went to an event this weekend where Stephen Hayes was the main speaker. He indicated that it is no small miracle that Ryan's plan is even being talked about much less embraced (albiet reluctantly) by TPTB on the right.

He credited this to the growing influences of the Tea Party candidates, who he says are a breed that is truly different than politicians of the past - they are staying committed to the ideas that they campaigned on rather than assimilating into the culture of tax/spend that's been there on both sides for decades. We need to increase their numbers in 2012, and press any potential presidential candidate as to their positions on the specifics of Ryan's plans. Anyone who can't discuss it point by point should be scratched from the list.

28 posted on 04/10/2011 2:52:34 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Libs, we thought we made it clear in Nov....CAN YOU HEAR US NOW??????????)
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To: FReepers
These Ducks Are Democrats

Support Free Republic

29 posted on 04/10/2011 2:55:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: dalereed

Such a comment has no place in our Free Republic. Please, exhibit some civility - there are ladies present.


30 posted on 04/10/2011 2:56:56 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Hey government - hold a garage sale and pay me my Social Security money back!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

I consider that entirely civil in any company.


31 posted on 04/10/2011 3:00:59 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
I find that sad.

How would your mother feel about that?

32 posted on 04/10/2011 3:03:58 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Hey government - hold a garage sale and pay me my Social Security money back!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

I’ve used a lot worse in front of her when she was alive.


33 posted on 04/10/2011 3:07:06 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Diogenesis
Krauthammer (also Romney’s DARLING) hates the TEA PARTY because they are serious and real (unlike the phony Krauthammer).

You have made some great posts on FR, but K hardly sounds like a Tea Party hater. Note the comment about the tea party:

Krauthammer Link: Ah, the people, the little people, the small-town people, the “bitter” people, as Barack Obama in an unguarded moment once memorably called them, clinging “to guns or religion or” — this part is less remembered — “antipathy toward people who aren’t like them.”
That’s a polite way of saying: clinging to bigotry. And promiscuous charges of bigotry are precisely how our current rulers and their vast media auxiliary react to an obstreperous citizenry that insists on incorrect thinking.
Resistance to the vast expansion of government power, intrusiveness, and debt, as represented by the tea-party movement? Why, racist resentment toward a black president.

34 posted on 04/10/2011 3:09:04 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: All

IMHO...

House has purse strings but without Senate and WH, their only weapon is government shutdown. It is a tactic that they have so far not had the courage to use.

What FReepers and many other Americans know - in total, somewhere between 40% and 60% of Americans - is that the budget battle for the next two years is about who Republicans in Congress really consider themselves beholden to: lobbyists or the actual future of America’s citizens.

They all are faced with a choice of figuratively jumping from the lobbyist “lillypad” to the citizen’s “lillypad” - and it is a scary jump unless one starts to feel a little “crazy”, and realizes that once they stop caring about getting reelected, they will have more reelection “juice” than any group of lobbyists could ever provide. They simply have to really PLAN on ONLY 2 terms, NO MATTER WHAT. Once they do that, it will FREE them, in their own mind and heart, to do ANYTHING that they know to be best for the long-term financial health of the citizens. This will ensure long-term tax revenue for the government, thereby ensuring long-term viability of the armed forces, thereby enhancing the financial scenario even more, as the U.S. will be able to ensure ability to act righteously and defend itself.

Siding with lobbyists includes coming up with wonderful plans that cut the healthcare industry in for huge sales revenue from government programs.

Healthcare will not be solved until it is properly structured in the private sector. If it was, healthcare costs in the U.S. would plummet and capabilities would skyrocket, the same as the computer cpu market has over the last 30 years. Regulation simply needs to set a marketplace that establishes the right motivations.

Smart Repubs will focus on discretionary spending as a SEPARATE issue from SS and Med. Combining the two is a childlish and evil lie.

“Legacy” Repubs are aligned with the party machine, which focuses only on getting elected. People are starting to realize that getting elected is NOT a worthy goal. Getting elected is meaningless by itself.

I have yet to see a simple budget that talks only about 2012 and eliminated 20% of government job headcount ANY 20% of expense dollars, be they from employee reductions or contractor reductions. And talks of NOTHING else. No SS, no Med, no “down the road”, nothing. Just headcount AND expense reduction for just 2012 fiscal year.

That would have meaning. Everything else is just rolling over credit card debt when our ability to pay is actually shrinking every year in real terms.


35 posted on 04/10/2011 3:09:49 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Krauthammer HATES the TEA PARTY.

He is an ObamaBOT and a RomneyBOT.

Krauthammer (Mondale’s writer) supported Obama during the
last election. He supported ObamaCARE (even though
it would have led to his death).


36 posted on 04/10/2011 3:11:37 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people''s money." M Thatcher)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Oops, this is the link
37 posted on 04/10/2011 3:12:11 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Diogenesis
He supported ObamaCARE (even though it would have led to his death).

?????? WTF?

38 posted on 04/10/2011 3:16:17 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Here, let me explain it to you:

Krauthammer =


39 posted on 04/10/2011 3:21:33 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people''s money." M Thatcher)
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To: Jeff Chandler
So far the responses seem to be to the title. It would help if people would actually read the articles before commenting on them

Authors of Krauthammer's stature shouldn't shoot their foot off by giving a title to a piece that is guaranteed to elicit a negative response.

Especially when that author's conservative credentials have gone underwater.

40 posted on 04/10/2011 3:37:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Authors of Krauthammer's stature shouldn't shoot their foot off by giving a title to a piece that is guaranteed to elicit a negative response.

Newspaper columnists don't compose their own titles.

That's the job of the Headline Editor at each newspaper running the column.

Reason is: Some papers may choose to run the column in one-column format, others in two-, three- or four-column format. In each case the headline must be of a different width and proportion. Accordingly, the individual papers always write the headlines -- on any news story or commentary.

41 posted on 04/10/2011 3:41:39 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Krauthammer jsut went down a couple of notches in my estimation. Comments like show that Dr. K is not a serious person.


42 posted on 04/10/2011 3:43:19 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: dalereed
Have you considered READING THE ARTICLE?
43 posted on 04/10/2011 3:44:02 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: indylindy
"The democrats did that with Obamacare and lost a whole lot in 2010. That happened with a pliant and willing media to support them in every way. The GOP does not have that."

The Democrats did that with something that most of the country did not want, they knew it, and did it anyway. Although there's no consensus on what should be cut, most of the country does know our spending is out of control.

But if the Republicans want to do both the right thing and also have the best image doing it, they are going about it wrong. They should stop granting power to the President he doesn't have.

Draft their own budget from scratch, telling everyone that it's not an adjustment to anything Obama sent, it's a new approach to a serious problem. It's also their proper constitutional role. Then negotiate *after it passes the House*.

This happens all the time. Most legislation is not negotiated and agreed to in advance by all three parties.

When they negotiate to get an agreement in advance before they pass anything, they are negotiating from weakness because they've already given up their power.

44 posted on 04/10/2011 3:48:22 PM PDT by mlo
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

 

Let’s

Let’s Take a take a stand!!!




Borders: Closed... to illegals.

Energy: Drill at home

Language: English only... make this a requirement for immigration.

Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!!!

Drug Free: Make a drug screening mandatory for anyone on welfare, and/or food stamps!

NO freebies to Non-Citizens! Including Social Security and Medicare.

No Citizenship to Illegal Aliens ever!!!!! Illegals must leave the country and get in line to re-enter with proper papers. No benefit for cheating.




We the people are coming


45 posted on 04/10/2011 4:13:01 PM PDT by B-Cause (Great crises do not make men, they reveal them.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
[ Obama has already started to try to do to Boehner what Clinton did to Gingrich. ]

If thats true, the question "IS"....
Will he cry?..

46 posted on 04/10/2011 4:16:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Let_It_Be_So
[ Do we believe in miracles? ]

The Unions in Wisconsin stepped in it.. big time..
The smell is caressing the voters noses...

The TpCaucus is growing stronger because of it..
snif... snif... can you smell that?..

47 posted on 04/10/2011 4:21:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Carley

And in California? Massachusetts?
I guess it’s a question of how schizophrenic Americans are.
Personally, I have little faith in the ignorant rabble.


48 posted on 04/10/2011 4:26:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: leprechaun9

Sour Krauthammer, Tokyo Rove and Dana Perugino are imposters.

They serve the enemy.

If the GOP Leadership had any guts they come out publicly humiliate these RINOS.


49 posted on 04/10/2011 4:26:59 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Isn’t that the million dollar question, are the American people serious about smaller government. I have seen this movie before, people upset about deficits but still want to continue receiving their government bennies. I do not know the answer, but I am very afraid that man’s basic human nature will win out, and that will be our doom.


50 posted on 04/10/2011 4:29:04 PM PDT by gusty
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