Posted on 04/10/2011 4:52:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trump has been right in bringing up Obama’s eligibility/natural born citizen issue, the ‘birther’ issue. No one else (at this point in time) has the clout or the guts to tackle it. No other politician or ethical reporter will cover this issue in any depth because the Political Correctness (PC) police have been out in full force intimidating all who might dare to raise any questions. They’ve been very successful too. That’s why ‘birther’ is the name everyone associates with it; and why most associate the meaning the name implies – not born in Hawaii. No independent thought necessary! However, it is an issue that needs to be addressed, if for no other reason that we have military men and women fighting around the world at Obama’s beck and call.
And the high stakes game, it appears will have a few more hands to play.
The issue with Obama’s eligibility (regardless of what the media is trying to lead you to believe) not only involves the place of his birth but also his conflicted allegiances vis-à-vis the citizenship of his father.
Unfortunately, there is no Supreme Court decision that I know of where the Court addresses the specific question (in a case where it is factually necessary to the facts and issue presented) of who can and can’t be a Natural Born Citizen, other than in the penumbra of discussions/historical presentations in cases involving ordinary and/or naturalized citizenship.
However, the relevant writings/common understandings that were available to the Founders and the ones that have been suggested that the Founders relied, suggest (see article by Prof. Solum in ‘Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause’) that to be a natural born citizen requires being born in country to parents (2) who were citizens at the time of the person’s birth.
Further, the significance of the Constitutional provision containing both the terms ‘Citizen’ and ‘Natural Born Citizen’ clearly indicate there is a difference in meaning in the two. This has been recognized in several cases and writings. The reasons for inclusion of the Presidential eligibility restrictions are also recognized as being the need for and/or fear of a person becoming President who did not have complete/sole allegiance to the new nation. In your heart of hearts, do your perceptions of Obama’s actions and ideology validate the Founders' concerns? For me, the answer seems obvious.
Did you see that Trump had a meeting with a group that included a Rep. from Arizona and gave out some homework? In that meeting, Mr. Trump asked for information regarding the term "natural born citizen". Only the Donald can assign research as homework and not have to pay for it. Once Donald Trump receives the information asked for, he will then be in a position to force the main street media's hand; and call them on their decision to cut the public out of considering the Obama eligibility issue in any meaningful, thoughtful way.
Simply labeling everyone asking questions ‘birthers’ is neither meaningful nor thoughtful.
Keep in mind that, Trump also has his mother's naturalized citizenship status as a possible springboard should he decide to file a suit for a Declaratory Judgment indicating he (Trump) is eligible.
That’s an ace in the hole that only Trump has!
Get your Popcorn ready! Trump has sent investigators to Hawaii and is collecting his assigned homework. There are more hands to play!
Good stuff...thanks. I use the McCain info as a rebuttal to libs in my neighborhood who ridicule “birthers.” “Well, McCain produced his and it’s online for all to see. Why doesn’t Obama do the same and get this over with?”
This is the first time I’ve seen or heard this issue clearly defined. It’s not about Kenya vs Hawaii, it’s about the citizenship status of the parents. That’s how you avoid Manchurian Candidates, like the one in the Oval Office. I’d also like to see how relinquishing (and resumption) of citizenship plays out vis a vis the Constitution.
Bump.
Who is this missionary woman? Please elaborate and cite your sources.
If one were to have relinquished and then taken up US citizenship once again, then one would have to be naturalized, legally speaking. That’s not natural born.
It’s about more than citizenship, it’s about avoiding competing legal claims by another jurisdiction. Look to John Jay’s recommendations, look to various Founders’ comments regarding the avoidance of foreign entanglements. They didn’t want a President and Commander-in-Chief of the military to be beholden in any way to any foreign power.
born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)
Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Married January 1936. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.
Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)
Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN unlike Comrade Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama.
Great going Zach......
Perhaps, the DNC should start looking for another candidate in 2012. Obanana is on his way out, and don’t let the door hit your ass.
Don’t forget he is hiding everything else also...College transcripts etc!
I think you can rest assured his motivation is not nefarious — like the current POTUS.
Some pundits sidestep the claim that Obama is not a ‘natural-born-citizen’ and dust off the discredited argument that newspaper birth announcements prove Obama was born in Hawaii.
Unlike classified ads, the newspaper birth announcements were not placed by individuals-—the announcements were automatically generated from health department data. They would have been generated by anyone reporting a birth to the state even if the birth occurred in a foreign country.
Another often used argument is that Obama has produced his birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth (COLB) that Obama’s campaign released is a short summary of a birth record that does not necessarily indicate a Hawaiian birth. At the time, COLBs were issued even if the birth occurred in a foreign country and would automatically result in the printing of a birth announcement.
LOL! Priceless comments... I bet Trump could pull more votes than any other Republican candidate right now.
I would love to see a Trump/Bachmann ticket.
No he didn't. The birth certificate floating around the Web is a (bad) fake.
Yanno, I’m an “angry guy” too. Angry that my country has been usurped by a lying Marxist S.O.B., who, regardless of his natural-born status, is not “of” America, he grew up in a very foreign way of life and in a foreign country for much of it.
I’m angry that my 2 year old son is already in debt.
I’m angry that half the people in this country have no clue about anything.
I’m angry that our nation has been taken advantage of and disrespected for too long.
Sounds like I have a lot in common with Trump.
That’s Trump’s way though. He starts off pulling you in, getting your interest level up. The initial part of the sale.
Then he slowly starts dripping in more info to close the sale.
...The Constitution DOES affirm the NBC clause, as it was delineated in “Law of Nations.”
EXCERPT 3: U.S. Constitution, Article I, §8: The Congress shall have Power…To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations....
what are the ramifications of this?
Thr operative word here is “Natural Born Citizen.” Both parants must be US citizens. Clearly this is not the case. Arguments have been presented on what is a NBC. Our courts have stonewalled the issue. There are many other issues on O’s background that need to be answered. Let’s hope that O is exposed before the 2012 primaries.
Donald could shut the door on Obama. Let’s hope Donald finishes the job!
This question is hypothetical at best. the Courts will NEVER take up this question since any litigant will have to surmount the insuperable barrier of constitutional standing in this case to be heard in federal court.
Or (eeek!) Pelosi, since she was Speaker of the House at the time of the election?
Or Cheney, since he was the sitting VP at the time?
It seems to me that this wouldn’t be an issue if BO simply acted like an American let alone a natural born citizen. We love our country. We don’t want to fundamentally change what we have. We wear American flag pins on our lapels. We place our hand over our heart when we say the pledge of allegiance. We believe that “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
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