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At Particle Lab, a Tantalizing Glimpse Has Physicists Holding Their Breaths
NY Times ^ | April 5. 2011 | DENNIS OVERBYE

Posted on 04/10/2011 6:32:18 PM PDT by neverdem

Physicists at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory are planning to announce Wednesday that they have found a suspicious bump in their data that could be evidence of a new elementary particle or even, some say, a new force of nature.

The results, if they hold up, could be a spectacular last hurrah for Fermilab’s Tevatron, once the world’s most powerful particle accelerator and now slated to go dark forever in September or earlier, whenever Fermilab runs out of money to operate it.

“Nobody knows what this is,” said Christopher Hill, a theorist at Fermilab who was not part of the team. “If it is real, it would be the most significant discovery in physics in half a century.”

One possible explanation for this mysterious bump, scientists say, is that it is evidence of a new and unexpected version of the long-sought Higgs boson. This is a hypothetical elementary particle that, according to the reigning theory known as the Standard Model, is responsible for endowing other elementary particles with mass.

Another explanation might be that it is evidence of a new force of nature — in addition to gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces we already know and are baffled by — that would manifest itself only at very short distances like those that rule inside the atomic nucleus.

Either could shake what has passed for conventional wisdom in physics for the last few decades. Or it could be there is something they do not understand about so-called regular physics.

Giovanni Punzi, the Fermilab physicist who is spokesman for the international team that did the work, said by e-mail that he and his colleagues were “strongly thrilled at the possibility, and cautious at the same time, because this would be so important that almost scares us — so...”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Technical; Testing
KEYWORDS: fermilab; physics; stringtheory; tevatron

1 posted on 04/10/2011 6:32:22 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
It wasn't the higgs from what I've read. In the right energy range but no interactions that were predicted appeared. Still no ‘graviton’ either from ongoing underground experiments. In my best eric cartmann voice “Lame”.
2 posted on 04/10/2011 6:37:12 PM PDT by allmost
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To: neverdem

Could be a we need more funding bump.


3 posted on 04/10/2011 6:38:02 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: neverdem

I think the most probable “explanation for this mysterious bump” is that “once the world’s most powerful particle accelerator and now slated to go dark forever in September or earlier, whenever Fermilab runs out of money to operate it.” and they need a publicity stunt to look for donors.


4 posted on 04/10/2011 6:39:20 PM PDT by deltaromeo11 (Isaiah 5:20)
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To: org.whodat

We have a winner!!


5 posted on 04/10/2011 6:45:54 PM PDT by rbg81
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6 posted on 04/10/2011 6:46:11 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: deltaromeo11
they need a publicity stunt to look for donors...

They've discovered Governmentium. Again.

Morons. The only matter in existence that increases in mass as it decays.

7 posted on 04/10/2011 6:56:50 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: deltaromeo11
It's good info we are not smart enough, yet, to figure out. The Tevatron has had an amazing run, due to the dedicated people working there.
8 posted on 04/10/2011 6:57:29 PM PDT by allmost
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To: rbg81

Maybe.Still the Standard model is looking more and more like the Ptolemaic astronomical model which kept getting more and more complicated. Then Copernicus proposed a new(old) heliocentric model.Beginning with Kepler’s new measurements, which showed that
the heliocentric model fit the data about as well, and the addition of new stuff by Galileo, new math models and the work of Newton. Out goes Ptolemy. The question is, OK, who is the Copernicus of atomic theory?


9 posted on 04/10/2011 6:59:18 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: neverdem
NEEDS MORE MEGABUCKS!!! Photobucket
10 posted on 04/10/2011 6:59:33 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: neverdem
Giovanni Punzi, the Fermilab physicist who is spokesman for the international team that did the work

'Sounds like a Punzi scheme to me....

11 posted on 04/10/2011 7:10:18 PM PDT by mikrofon (Biggs Hosin')
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To: neverdem

I’m still waiting for confirmation that 2 Princeton physicists claimed was a particle they were able to accelerate that was faster than light-this was several years ago. BTW-how would you ever prove something is faster than light?


12 posted on 04/10/2011 7:13:16 PM PDT by Larry381 (Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare)
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To: neverdem

I have long believed there is a kind of a massless particle that carries momentum at sub-speed of light velocities.

And the sum total of that momentum, divided by C, is the dark-matter side of the universe.


13 posted on 04/10/2011 7:15:17 PM PDT by djf (Dems and liberals: Let's redefine "marriage". We already redefined "natural born citizen".)
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To: neverdem
Another "Who ordered that?" moment.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 7:18:59 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: allmost; neverdem
I hope it's not another high-Z anomaly event. /sarc>

Cheers!

15 posted on 04/10/2011 7:58:38 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem
Huge discovery right before they're being shut down?

Fermi Lab is about 25 minutes from me.....a huge complex in a suburban Chicago campus/park setting with deer running around the wooded part of the vast acreage.

The Lab has money to operate till September. A request was put in to the feds for $100 million to keep the Tevatron running for three more years.....but the request was denied by the Department of Energy.

The Lab hope to reassign the major employees but lots of the more peripheral ones will lose their jobs....and the merchants and businesses in the adjacent town of Batavia will take a big hit.

Leni

16 posted on 04/10/2011 8:14:43 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry all my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: org.whodat

>> “Could be a we need more funding bump.” <<

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Highly likely.


17 posted on 04/10/2011 8:24:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Larry381

It arrived before it left?


18 posted on 04/10/2011 11:20:19 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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Thanks neverdem. Could have sworn we had one about this the other day.

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19 posted on 04/12/2011 6:11:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Larry381
BTW-how would you ever prove something is faster than light?

Look for it yesterday.

20 posted on 04/13/2011 5:29:49 AM PDT by Paradox (Obama gets Trumped.)
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To: org.whodat

That’s what crossed my mind, as I was reading...


21 posted on 04/13/2011 6:49:31 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Larry381

Blink really fast?!


22 posted on 04/13/2011 6:51:08 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: MinuteGal

Is there no reason that none of this stuff can ever be funded privately?


23 posted on 04/13/2011 6:53:25 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Paradox
BTW-how would you ever prove something is faster than light?- Look for it yesterday.

LOL-Perfect answer

24 posted on 04/13/2011 11:57:18 AM PDT by Larry381 (Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare)
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To: neverdem
"The results, if they hold up, could be a spectacular last hurrah for Fermilab’s Tevatron, once the world’s most powerful particle accelerator and now slated to go dark forever in September or earlier, whenever Fermilab runs out of money to operate it. "

Been there...Done that...Nice try guys...

25 posted on 04/13/2011 3:26:09 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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