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Family Uses Son's Obituary To Send A Message (Republican Budget Cuts Killed Him...)
News Channel 5 ^ | 04/10/2011 | News Channel 5

Posted on 04/10/2011 9:11:27 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

Crossville, Tenn. - A Cumberland County family blames the state's healthcare system for the death of their son.

Frank and Ann Zingheim's 48-year-old son, Scott, committed suicide on March 31st.

On Sunday, his obituary appeared in The Tennessean, with a tribute to his life, and also a message for state lawmakers.

"No one listens, no one listens," said Frank Zingheim. "There are major cuts being made in Nashville right now."

Scott Zingheim was diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic when he was 15-years-old. His parents say he was in and out of hospitals for most of his life, until one program was finally able to make a difference.

Through TennCare, Scott was able to take part in PACT, or the Program of Assertive Community treatment. The Zingheims say it changed his life and taught him how to cope with his mental illness.

"For the first time in years, he was hospital free," said Frank. "He didn't go to the hospital because they monitored and took care of it."

But in 2005, cuts to TennCare made Scott ineligible for the PACT program.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: healthcare; medicare; moralbankruptcy; pact; schizophremia; tenncare
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1 posted on 04/10/2011 9:11:29 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Since when is it my responsibility to pay for your child’s healthcare?


2 posted on 04/10/2011 9:12:22 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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If you can’t afford’em then by GOd don’t have’em!


3 posted on 04/10/2011 9:12:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Exactly.


4 posted on 04/10/2011 9:13:58 PM PDT by DB
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"He was deemed ineligible they said, because he had Medicare, and you can't have TennCare and Medicare," said Ann Zingheim. "If he'd just had TennCare, he would've been kept on."

If he hadn't had Medicare, the parents would be complaining about that. The nerve of some people, to use the tragedy of their son this way, pathetic.

5 posted on 04/10/2011 9:18:27 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Thats really too bad. Lord have mercy.

The cuts have to come somewhere. I really sympathize with people who are affected, but our government NEEDS to live within its means before our nation collapses.

6 posted on 04/10/2011 9:18:50 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

It is a tragedy that their son died.

My prayer, for him and them.

Would they be justified in chaining the DR. to a wall, and forcing her to treat their son without pay?

Are they justified in chaining the rest of us to a wall, and forcing us to pay for the DR? At the point of a gun?

What else would they like to take from us, while they have that gun pointed at us?


7 posted on 04/10/2011 9:19:52 PM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber thigns in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

bttt


8 posted on 04/10/2011 9:20:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

hmmm....looks like the Governor of TN was a Democrat, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Bredesen


9 posted on 04/10/2011 9:22:24 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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“He was deemed ineligible they said, because he had Medicare, and you can’t have TennCare and Medicare,” said Ann Zingheim. “If he’d just had TennCare, he would’ve been kept on.”

Why didn’t he drop Medicare coverage then so he could get TennCare?


10 posted on 04/10/2011 9:25:17 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Ma and Pa Zingheim

When your mind is ugly your life will be ugly.

11 posted on 04/10/2011 9:31:06 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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If you can’t afford’em then by GOd don’t have’em!

BTTT!

12 posted on 04/10/2011 9:33:35 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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It is not possible. We have been given the worlds greatest health care plan by Mr. O and the dem party. ALL will preexisting conditions have free care immediately from the day the bill was enacted.

Mr. O told use they will not have to spend one penny and the care started immediately.
13 posted on 04/10/2011 9:43:42 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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Cuts to TennCare? Sounds like a state program that got cut. I am sure that dems will use this as an example to try to further fund federal programs.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 9:48:08 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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The ratchet and pawl of government dependence.


15 posted on 04/10/2011 9:51:49 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Scott Zingheim was diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic when he was 15-years-old.


He lived 33 years in agony. Should have called in hospice when he turned 16. Would have saved lots, most costly the heartache. The parents, while I understand doing whatever you can for your child, place blame wrongly.

There is no one to blame. Nothing anyone could have done except prolong the inevitable.


16 posted on 04/10/2011 9:55:55 PM PDT by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: 23 Everest

which they did


17 posted on 04/10/2011 9:57:57 PM PDT by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Unfortunately, being diagnosed with severe schizophrenia at 15 he was lucky to have survived until his 40’s. It wouldn't have mattered what medical care he had.
18 posted on 04/10/2011 9:58:45 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: All; The Magical Mischief Tour; DB; Clairity; Celtic Cross; patton; BenLurkin; Daisyjane69; ...

Not Yours To Give
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2474326/posts


19 posted on 04/10/2011 10:00:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ('As a kid, I got three meals a day: Oatmeal, miss-a-meal, and no meal.' Mr. T)
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This is a tragedy, but why not play the blame game for political advantage?


20 posted on 04/10/2011 10:00:22 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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They’re angry and have to find someone to blame. But their was off the program they claim did so much for him for six years. There is something else at work here, not his being taken off the TN Medicaid program.

I’ve worked with poor, disabled clients in D.C. who have both Medicare and Medicaid. Medicaid picks up what Medicare doesn’t. Since Medicaid is a state program, I suppose eligibility and the rules change from state to state. And it seems TN decided they couldn’t have both back in ‘05. One client told me that when/if you are listed as permanently disabled for two years, you automatically get Medicare and it’s a far better program.


21 posted on 04/10/2011 10:00:56 PM PDT by EDINVA (wh)
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Frank and Ann Zingheim's 48-year-old son, Scott, committed suicide on March 31st.

It appears that their wee laddie of 48 was responsible for his own demise. Not to diminish mental health issues, but this is the result of cuts made to TennCare in 2005? So, their son took his life six years after the cuts to the programme that was supposedly vital to his health. IF the programme was that vital, then why didn't he dispatch himself almost as soon as ceased treatment?
22 posted on 04/10/2011 10:06:17 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: headstamp 2
But in 2005, cuts to TennCare made Scott ineligible for the PACT program.
23 posted on 04/10/2011 10:07:56 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What in the Sam Hill does this have to do with my Post?


24 posted on 04/10/2011 10:13:56 PM PDT by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: 23 Everest

I pinged everyone on the thread, it has to do with the subject of the story.


25 posted on 04/10/2011 10:19:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ('As a kid, I got three meals a day: Oatmeal, miss-a-meal, and no meal.' Mr. T)
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To: Army Air Corps
It appears that their wee laddie of 48 was responsible for his own demise.

He was no more responsible for what ended his life than the budget cuts.

26 posted on 04/10/2011 10:26:11 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama: peace prize winner, warmonger, golfer.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Frank and Ann Zingheim, once you learned that tax payer funds were no longer going to pay for your sons needs, what did YOU PERSONALLY do to save your son’s life....... over the next 6 years?

You said, “No one listens, no one listens”.... did YOU listen? Did you see what was coming and did you not lift a finger, because it would cost you more than you were willing to pay out of your pocket?


27 posted on 04/10/2011 10:33:40 PM PDT by Gator113 (I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: EDINVA
I’ve worked with poor, disabled clients in D.C. who have both Medicare and Medicaid. Medicaid picks up what Medicare doesn’t. Since Medicaid is a state program, I suppose eligibility and the rules change from state to state. And it seems TN decided they couldn’t have both back in ‘05. One client told me that when/if you are listed as permanently disabled for two years, you automatically get Medicare and it’s a far better program.

I'm disabled myself as is my wife and live in Tennessee. What likely happened is one or a combination of several things. The first is if he lived with his parents THEIR income would also factor into his Tenncare elgiability with Tenncare covering till year two of disability and Medicare coverage. Yes if you meet the poverty level you can also actually have all three meaning Tenncare, Medicare/Medicaid.

To a certain extent Tenncare replaced most of Medicaid in the state and became a semi stste universal health care program. A Dem governor Ned Ray McWherter with the help of Al Gore and Hillary Clinton got the corruption and scandal ridden program going. It got worse under the RINO who took McWherters place for 8 years. The past 8 under a semi fisical conservative DEM did address some of the coruption. Or at least more so than before.

Tenncare does try from time to time to boot the disabled off. Trying to get health care insurance when being disabled is almost impossible or cost prohibitive. Medicaid was first intended for the working who became disabled or died and a survivor net for family. It kinda sounds like to me that his Disability payments was high enough it disqualified him from Tenncare.

Tenncare also handled much of the mental health patients at one time. Another problem is the agency who was overseeing his care could had the authority to do for him what family could not. It is difficult at best for family to get someone mental health help because of permission laws.

I'm also guessing his Medicare HMO did not have a contract with that program. To his credit to get disability and Medicare it does sound like he held employment at some point for a considerable time and that's not too far fetched either.

40 years ago his family could have had him committed and gotten him help. The laws of today on mental health intervention stink and yes they can get persons killed for much less severe and preventable problems.

28 posted on 04/10/2011 10:45:01 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

A lesson the parents failed to learn. TennCare was first with government healthcare, replacing medicare with a gold-plated health care system that rapidly drove the state into debt.

Signed into law by a democrat (who else?), it was a runaway success for those in the program but a nightmare for those of us paying for it. In 2005, another democrat was the one who finally had to start making cuts or the state would go broke.

Maybe the parents ought to see where ObamaCare is headed. Promising everything at the beginning only to make cutbacks more and more as the money runs out. It is where we are headed and SOON!


29 posted on 04/10/2011 10:47:35 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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Aren't people like him who government should be taking care of? Not the crack whores, not the illegal aliens,not the welfare queens but people who can't fend for themselves?
30 posted on 04/10/2011 10:56:02 PM PDT by willk
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To: Gator113
You said, “No one listens, no one listens”.... did YOU listen? Did you see what was coming and did you not lift a finger, because it would cost you more than you were willing to pay out of your pocket?

Here is the problem. The man was considered an adult. I'll explain it like this. Let's say you spouse sufferers from mild depression and a doctor writes a script for Zoloft. Every things fine. All of the sudden everything isn't fine. The spouse is psychotic or appears to be such. You take spouse to the ER looking for help. ER doctors says I'm calling the state mobile crisis unit in and they will decide what to do. But you are the spouse. Doesn't matter under Tennessee law you have NO SAY! But the state does though. OK they show up. The doctor wants a transfer {patient dump} to a mental institute. Now keep in mind during this 12 hours not one medical test has been done to rule out anything. You talk to the state and say I want testing done and they agree declining the doctors request. The episodes include going unconscious which should send up an huge UH OH to the attending ER doctor. It doesn't.

Finally you as they spouse do something on a gut feeling and go on line searching Zoloft +Adverse reactions. BINGO! Serotonin Syndrome and every symptom too. Try convincing a doctor of it. Insurance doesn't have as much to do with it as just bad policies and ignorance. With mental health in Tennessee in most cases you are at the states mercy unless your spouse is rational enough to sign for treatment.

I want to point something else out as well. Underthe old Medicaid program there was true oversight from the State Inspector generals Office and a quick means of appeals. Tenncare is not under that scrunity nor can your state lawmaker help either. We're talking about tax dollars here.

31 posted on 04/10/2011 11:00:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

schizophrenia is horrible for anyone

Yes, the mental health care for young men is inadequate

but if the money isn’t there, you can’t spend it


32 posted on 04/10/2011 11:05:39 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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schizophrenia is horrible for anyone Yes, the mental health care for young men is inadequate but if the money isn’t there, you can’t spend it

The money isn't there for the disabled in need because they gave it to Juan & Juanita living here illegally from Juarez and their kids instead. I know of pariplegics who have been booted also. Tenncare is not typical Medicaid it is a excuse my language bastardized universal health care program setup for da childrens.

33 posted on 04/10/2011 11:16:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: GailA

Ping to thread.


34 posted on 04/10/2011 11:19:00 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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You are so much more knowledgeable than I, and are living with these programs up close and personal. I wonder if, as you assume his Medicare HMO didn’t cover this particular program, there would have been another that might have been equally effective?

It’s hard to imagine since his primary disability was a mental issue, that he wouldn’t have had an array of services to choose from. Or at least some appropriate choices.

Also hard to believe that the program that was so effective wouldn’t have seen to it, as he became ineligible (which didn’t happen overnight), that he found a viable alternative before releasing him.

While I think these are programs that have been terribly abused, they are there to help the truly disabled, and it’s a shame that because of the abuse, it’s those same truly disabled who are least well served.


35 posted on 04/10/2011 11:32:56 PM PDT by EDINVA (wh)
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To: cva66snipe

Thank you for your insight.

In my state, Washington (also known as San Francisco North), isn’t any better.


36 posted on 04/10/2011 11:44:03 PM PDT by Gator113 (I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

First, I am sorry for your loss. Death is a tragedy and the greatest of all tragedies is to have your son or daughter die so young.

Second, no one and no system killed your son. His sickness killed him.

Paranoid Schizophrenia is a difficult disease and it is rare for someone to attain management of the disease.


37 posted on 04/11/2011 12:07:14 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: EDINVA
Crossville has limited care resources. It is a small town located about half way between Nashville and Knoxville. So facility and program options would be pretty limited is my guess. Either major city would be almost a 100 mile drive one way. Cookville 30 miles away from them may have had something I don't know. It's small also.

A lot of these towns one community mental health service/hospitals that handles all the cases. That kinda makes things rough and limits options. Changing Medicare HMO's might have helped or all may have excluded the service. I don't really know on that.

I know when Tenncare first started up I got into more screaming matches over the phone than I care to ever remember and sped up my own disabilty hitting me as well due to stress. The Tenncare program had ex-state officials running it's HMO's and the HMO's were taking the money, going bankrupt {after huge salary payouts} and starting under new names same faces many times. Most of the fraud was corporate fraud and that is what our last governor the DEM actually put a halt too for the most part.

Basically this program is taking the Medicaid money paid to the state from the fed and dispersing it out about 5 times more persons than it was under basic Medicaid. Insane yes but that's what they basically did.

38 posted on 04/11/2011 12:09:25 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Clairity

Why didn’t they help their son? They should be ashamed.


39 posted on 04/11/2011 12:10:14 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Government has demanded so much control of individuals that most don’t even think twice anymore about stealing from a minority of people to do whatever good deed they feel needs doing as long as “government” is doing the stealing.

But in short, it boils down to the ends justify the means.

Eventually that mentality leads to the likes of Stalin and Hitler - all for the “greater good”. The Utopia just around the corner that leads to mass pain and suffering instead.


40 posted on 04/11/2011 12:15:54 AM PDT by DB
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To: Gator113
Thank you for your insight. In my state, Washington (also known as San Francisco North), isn’t any better.

Unfortunately for us at the time we had a DEM Liberal governor who passed away a couple days ago, Al Gore, and Hillary pushing it through. Add to that the underhanded tactics Blue Cross Blue Shield used as well used against doctors to get them to sign on. BC/BS did that in return for the majority of the enrolled. They gave the doctors a choice. Sign on or loose all BC/BS business and at that time BC/BS was the major carrier for corporations. They were also running full page scaremongering adds about Medicaid.

Medicaid wasn't perfect by any means but there was a coordinated effort in the state offices to deliberately make it fail to push this through.

41 posted on 04/11/2011 12:17:33 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Moochers. Leeches on society.


42 posted on 04/11/2011 12:31:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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I believe that in 2005 the Dems were in charge in Tn. I put the blame square on Jimmy Naifeh!
43 posted on 04/11/2011 12:46:59 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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I believe that in 2005 the Dems were in charge in Tn. I put the blame square on Jimmy Naifeh!
44 posted on 04/11/2011 12:47:33 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic”
It’s obvious he wasn’t alone when he died. It had to have
been the other guys fault.
“No one listens, no one listens,” said Frank Zingheim, the
human digital delay man. Of course no wants to listen to
someone who says everything over and over again. I guess
that comes with a Schizophrenic son.


45 posted on 04/11/2011 2:20:28 AM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“Since when is it my responsibility to pay for your child’s healthcare?”
Since when is it MY responsibility to pay for any of your little special interests whether that be your healthcare, arts, home, food, or any other damn thing?????


46 posted on 04/11/2011 3:37:50 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Clairity

They wanted him to be “double dipping”? I assume he was on disability due to his mental illness, but would think he had the better of the two, theoretically.

I’m sorry for their loss - and that’s a young age to be diagnosed with schizophrenia, so they’ve had a long, hard course with that disease.

(I’ve seen “Medicare/Medicaid” but that just means the doc writes off the copays and deductibles and helped with medication costs, at least before Part D. )

However, if the son was 48, how old are the parents? They’re on Medicare, too, most likely. Isn’t that the goal - Medicare for all?


47 posted on 04/11/2011 3:50:59 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIAing)
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The parents failed their child and they blame us for not giving enough to a failing government they bleed to death.
48 posted on 04/11/2011 3:56:40 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: willk

Actually, the government is not supposed to take care of anyone. Government’s job is to prevent or at least punish those who would infringe on our rights to life, liberty and property.

We in society and, more directly, in our communities, may decide to care for those who can’t care for themselves. This is voluntary self sacrifice, or should be. However,it’s not the legitimate job of government guns, courts, and prisons to force sacrifice.


49 posted on 04/11/2011 4:00:52 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIAing)
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To: Clairity

Looks like he had health care...such as it is, MEDICARE is RATIONED health care, even if you have all the different parts of Medicare.

Sounds like the parents wanted the government to be totally responsible for their child. It is very sad that he committed such a selfish act and left pain for his parents.

Tenncare is about to bankrupt TN, and when Deathcare kicks in, it will escalate it rapidly. Then no one but the wealthy will have decent health care as the docs will start to quit.


50 posted on 04/11/2011 5:54:47 AM PDT by GailA (2012 rally cry DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA!)
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