Skip to comments.Dozens Arrested In Philadelphia Dog Fighting Raid (Paging Michael Vick.....)
Posted on 04/11/2011 7:34:02 AM PDT by Red Badger
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) The Pennsylvania SPCA is working overtime this morning, raiding homes across the city breaking up what officials are calling the largest dogfighting ring theyve ever seen in this city.
Officials say this dogfighting ring has been under surveillance for awhile. And late last night, early this morning, the Pennsylvania SPCA with Philadelphia police acting on a tip that fights were happening, raided a home on the 2600 block of Gerritt Street.
Pennsylvania SPCA director of law enforcement, George Bengal says when they entered the house, there were around 25 people watching a fight in progress.
They actually ran, and left the dogs in the ring fighting, unattended when we entered the property.
Those two dogs that were fighting, Bengal says are in pretty bad shape. In all six dogs were taken from that house. And 15-20 people were arrested facing animal cruelty and felony dogfighting charges.
At about 7 a.m. Monday, officials raided another home this one in Kensington where Bengal says they found 12 dogs stacked in cages in the basement alongside a collection of drugs, weapons, and dog fighting paraphernalia.
It’s a good thing that robbery, murder, burgulary, and assault are so low in Philly so that law enforcement can concentrate on real crime like busting a dog fighting ring.
What’s next? Bear baiting?
Kill them, kill them all.
I’ll bet some of the people watching were wearing Michael Vick Eagle’s jersies.
Nothing in this story says that PPD is curtailing their regular duties to bust up this dog-fighting ring. Why would you criticize them so?
A lot of the dog fighting ‘enthusiasts’ are drug suppliers. The dogs are used for security (guarding the stash) & they fight them as well.
Put it in terms that a southerner can understand... early NASCAR owner-drivers were running shine in hopped-up stock cars. Sooner or later these guys were going to get together to see who had the faster rig.
People who derive pleasure out of watching a living creature suffer have something psychologically wrong with them. People who start of with animals often move onto people.
Just take your time, police, while these criminals torture and kill more animals.
Observe logic in action. I'll phrase it as a series of questions:
Resources (that would be police personnel) were used in doing this. Yes or no?
While they were doing this, they weren't working on other crimes. Yes or no?
If you answered no to either question, you seriously need to re-examine reality.
If you answered yes to both questions, you have just completed an Aristotelian syllogism with the inevitable conclusion that other crimes were neglected while they worked on this. QED
Liberal: This is the most heinous crime imaginable and these people need to be punished severely. What kind of monsters would do this kind of thing?
Reporter: They were Muslims.
Liberal: And who are we to judge their culture? They should be released.
I disagree. The people who do the dog fighting are usually wanted for some other crime, sell drugs, have stolen weapons etc... Dog fighting is a cruel activity and it isn’t done by upstanding community citizens. Arrest them all and have them do some serious time. IMHO
I don't see police raiding horse racetracks.
No difference; either you have property rights or you don't.
Gov't needs to GTF out of the nanny state.
Today I have to do the laundry, clean up the kitchen, and vacuum. When I’m doing the laundry, just because I’m not doing the other two things at the same time does not mean that they won’t get done today. Also, if the SPCA were helping me with my chores as they’re helping the PPD, it would all get done even faster.
The police are there to enforce the law. If there are laws against dog fighting and all the peripheral crimes committed by the lowlifes who torture dogs in this manner, then the police are doing their jobs when they bust up these rings.
I would venture a guess to say that the PPD Chief knows how to allocate his resources properly without any input from you or me.
As for syllogism, don’t try to teach your granny to suck eggs.
People that participate in illegal(and cruel) dogfighting are not likely model citizens;I’d be shocked if they weren’t also drug dealers,car thieves,housebreakers, and all=around punks.
Personally, I think people who participate in dog fighting are more despicable scum than most robbers, assaulters, and murderers. I don’t take it lightly at all, as you apparently do. Are you a scumbag? Just asking..
So... You’re okay with animal cruelty?
That's defined by society. Once, libs and others outnumber you they define cruelty.
I'm for treating my property and letting others treat their property they way they want.
I like steak, and I'm not gonna attack a farmer by the way he treats his cattle, no matter if others define it as 'cruel'.
Some people feel it is their duty to make fun of any efforts made to protect animals.
They somehow rationalize that doing so takes away from efforts to protect humans.
It’s just their weird and wrong way of thinking, but I see them on a lot of dog threads.
Of course it’s just the sterling segment of society with high integrity that frequents dog fights...............
You are a sicko; torturing living things is illegal; there is a huge difference between running a race and fighting to the death
I cannot understand the sport of extreme fighting. I realize the fighters make the decision to fight and the dog does not. The extreme fighting is barbaric.
Nonsense. Once again, either you have property rights or you don’t.
see post 13
And a stich in time saves nine and other irrelevant aphorisms
then the police are doing their jobs when they bust up these rings
Yes no doubt they should be arrested. But as far as I know the police never caught the perpetrators who did this which I would rank as a higher priority than animal cruelty. In fact there were roughly 40 unsolved murders in Philidelphia in 2010. Every one of which I would rank as a higher priority than animal cruelty. SO you may think that the police in Philly are doing a fine job, but I think they're picking the low hanging fruit and letting the more important but harder stuff go.
They probably are, and they probably should be arrested on general principles anyway, but Philly has a homicide problem and the police are concentrating on the easy safe stuff like this and meanwhile the murder rate in 2011 is outstripping the 2010 rate significantly.
I respectfully suggest that you take it up with the Philadelphia Chief of Police. I'm just positive that he'll accept your orders and directives with kindness and understanding regarding your superior intellect and ability to run his PD.
On information gleaned from ABC news no less.
About a single crime.
[sorry, I got distracted by the eagles flying over my back yard looking for (probably) rodents. They live over at the lake about three miles from here.]
I really can't figure out what you expect me to do about it, but you may keep ranting at me if you wish.
Actually if you had read to to end of my post it was about 40 unsolved murders, not one, but you had to get your smart assed comment in about the philly chief of police thus showning your ignorance,
In case you hadn't noticed this is a forum where opinions are occasionally posted. If you disagree with mine as you obviously do please feel free to refute it factually. If you want to join the ranks of a$$holes cluttering FR who resort to insulting those they disagree with then feel free to do so also, but don't expect anything but insults in return.
Dogs are animals. My whole point was not on the merits or lack thereof on prosecuting dog fighting, but I personally consider humans to be FAR more important than animals, and with approximately 40 unsolved murders left from 2010 and the 2011 murder rate significantly higher than 2010, I can't see wasting police detective time on small stuff like this when there are quite a few people running around Philly who have actually killed other people (and probably will again). Apparently the dog lovers value dogs higher than people, although I'm willing to bet that most of them have no qualms about eating beef. Doesn't make sense to me.
You are one sick bastard.
Lemme guess... You’re a dog fighting enthusiast?
You have a lot of class.
See post 13 - I’m trying to figure out if you’re too stupid to respond rationally or too much of a jerk. I think I’ll go with C. All of the above.
What “post 13”?
Your logic is faulty. The fact they arrested these guys does not mean they were ignoring other crimes. They probably found out this crime while investigating another crime. Drug dealers use pit bulls to guard their dope. They can also fight them and make money.
I used to wonder how people could justify slavery but after reading your post, I think I know how.
If you don't understand that difference; hints at the distorted view that you and other animal lovers have.
Humans are animals, hoss. We are part of the animal kingdom.
You obviously have no clue as to the stats on animal abusers and those who abuse people...Hey, we aren’t Muslims, we are at least attempting to have a civilized society.
Of course, to YOU even trying to stop people abuse.... would be the Nanny State.
You are either
a) incredibly ignorant
b) just a poster who enjoys baiting animal lovers and normal people
c) Mr Macho of this century
(you are probably all the above...ha)
Well, you are so right about these posters..Usually they are scaired little boys who act all Macho to cover up any possible weaknesses ...after all only “sissies” get upset over animal cruelty...not “real men”.
In addition they have dceided to ignore the “realities” of dog fighting connections to a) people abuse, child abuse,b) drugs selling c) gangs ( but then, that doesn’t matter, cause the people that do that should be allowed to do that too...after all, aren’t they “real men” too?)ha.
Hey, don’t forget...Palter is a “REAL Man”!
Not some sissy that gets all upset over animal cruelty...
(Meanwhile these animal abusers go on to their next “property”...children, women, other ‘gang members).
Oh, lets just wait until the animal abusers go onto to other victims...why stop them now?
Enjoy your dam nanny state. But don't go crying when more Gov't takes away private property and what you can build and do on it.
A dog is property. No more. The fact that people like yourself raise them to the level of humans is sickening and disturbing. It lowers what the amazing creation of what an actual Human is.
wow..you have a real problem..lots of anger all over the place..and not much ability to respond to some key points that you just don’t get, or ignore.
First,re dogs..I never “raised them to the level of humans...”
But I guess you don’t have much of an appreciation of what
“an amazing creation a human is...” ...that it is no big deal that humans ( uh, that “amazing creature” ) would engage in such animal cruelty for sport.
You equate a nanny state with ignoring the realities of WHO these dog fighters really are...the realities of dog fighting connections to a) people abuse, child abuse,b) drugs selling c) gangs ( but then, that doesnt matter, cause the people that do that should be allowed to do that too...because dogs are “property”..and to these sick, sadistic people think some people are their ‘property”.
So let me just get this right...if I am against animal cruelty and do NOT want these people legally sanctioned ( for a variety of reasons that would protect society) then I am advocating a nanny state?
To use your phrase, “Don’t go crying when “ one of these sick sadistic violent people move from dogs to people...
Of course, you will be very very quiet on recognizing that connection then...No one will hear your outrage then!
Its not either or...the connection to murder , violence against people is there with dog fighters.
The guy, Palter, has a real problem seeing that
a) part of our humanity is to reach a higher level, ie compassion and kindness, not sadistic glee at animal abuse.
b) he never gets the connection that those cruel to animals are not far from cruelty to humans.
c) he is very very angry
Why again should you tell someone how to treat what is theirs?
I understand very well the concept of private property...
Your limiting the discussion only to “dogs are private property.end of discussion.” is a RED HERRING that then conveniently ignores the ramifications of dog fighting to our society...which you have never responded to, cause you don’t have an argument for the very real consequences to humans that this “use of private property that is dog fighting” has.
If I were to extend your “logic” and really expand your “red herring “ logic here you go:
I own my house.
I can do what I want with my house.It is my property.
I chose to burn it down, regardless of any consequences to surrounding citizens welfare.
If you disagree, then you want the nanny state to make any restrictions.
I have a pit bull.
It is my property. I let it bark and menace in my yard all day and night long.
Too bad...it is my property and my yard is my property.
Consequences to any one else are no one’s business.
THE reason I respond again and agin to you..is to share with others, the importance of responding to and dealing with dog fighting.