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4 ways we're still fighting the Civil War
cnn ^ | April 11, 2011 | Blake, John

Posted on 04/11/2011 7:56:33 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

As the nation commemorates the 150th anniversary of its deadliest war this week, some historians say we're still fighting over some of the same issues that fueled the Civil War.

"There are all of these weird parallels," says Stephanie McCurry, author of "Confederate Reckoning," a new book that examines why Southerners seceded and its effect on Southern women and slaves.

"When you hear charges today that the federal government is overreaching, and the idea that the Constitution recognized us as a league of sovereign states -- these were all part of the secessionist charges in 1860," she says.

1. The disappearance of the political center
2. How much power should the federal government have?
3. Unleashing the dogs of war
4. The president as dictator

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1 posted on 04/11/2011 7:56:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

5. Yanks on FR hate sweet tea and grits


2 posted on 04/11/2011 7:58:01 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: bamahead; manc; GOP_Raider; TenthAmendmentChampion; snuffy smiff; slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; ...

ping ‘em


3 posted on 04/11/2011 7:59:10 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Stopped reading after the “hurts women and minorities most” line.


4 posted on 04/11/2011 8:01:35 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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Popcorn-chomping bump


5 posted on 04/11/2011 8:01:35 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: stainlessbanner

Did anyone read this Sunday’s Parade Magazine in which there was an article written by a supposed Southern historian who basically said we are still fighting the war because the Tea Party people are nothing but secessionist, anti-government, KKK racists?
Stunning...


6 posted on 04/11/2011 8:03:12 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: stainlessbanner

I’m a Yank and loooove grits. Got introduced to them at Parris Island way back when.


7 posted on 04/11/2011 8:03:27 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: stainlessbanner

Well I am a Yank and I love sweet tea. Tried grits but wasn’t all that impressed.


8 posted on 04/11/2011 8:03:51 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: oh8eleven; Grunthor
Just a little friendly jab to get everyone waked up on Monday morning :)

We could have a BBQ thread and really get everyone all riled up: nawth carolina, georgia, south carolina, texas, bama, mizzou!

9 posted on 04/11/2011 8:09:42 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Considering the North’s strong union (labor union that is) bent it’s really ironic that so many yankees (yeah I know, half a word) are back tracking down the underground railroad to work as virtual slaves in right to work states. Stay home bluecoats, we don’t need you and your liberal views, we got enough Californians now messing with our politics.


10 posted on 04/11/2011 8:09:50 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Joshua Chamberlain left the yankee Northeast 100 years ago, and he ain’t coming back. He’s been replaced by Gen. Michael Moore and fat welfare momma brigade.


11 posted on 04/11/2011 8:10:12 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: stainlessbanner

Yes on grits, no on sweet tea. *shudder*

Other than slavery, the issues that precipitated the Civil War are still out there to be dealt with, and most thoughtful people recognize this. It’s not strictly necessary for the things to be viewed through the filter of the Civil War experience, but it’s reasonable that they would, and probably doesn’t do much harm.


12 posted on 04/11/2011 8:12:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If you believe, you will see the glory of God.)
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To: matginzac

If there is ever a split in the Tea Party would we call the Southern faction, The Sweet Tea Party? I think I’m one of them critters already.


13 posted on 04/11/2011 8:12:05 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: dblshot

LOL...very cute!!!! :)


14 posted on 04/11/2011 8:12:58 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: stainlessbanner

Oh lawdy, please don’t get the Q wars started. I live right smack in the middle of the DMZ between the two North Carolina BBQ factions and the shelling keeps me awake some nights.

}:-)4


15 posted on 04/11/2011 8:14:01 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: stainlessbanner

LMAO! and they probably never tried grits... ever. If they did, they probably tried those nasty instant grits.


16 posted on 04/11/2011 8:15:06 AM PDT by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: stainlessbanner
Grits? Good. Tea? Good. Sweet Tea? Yeah, I'll go to war with ya..

/north

17 posted on 04/11/2011 8:15:29 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: stainlessbanner
Just a little friendly jab to get everyone waked up on Monday morning :)
Never read it any other way.
I'm in my own civil war right now - trying to convince wife to move to SC.
18 posted on 04/11/2011 8:19:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Grunthor

Of course you didn’t like grits. You forgot to add the shrimp.


19 posted on 04/11/2011 8:19:56 AM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Giving the tired old “race card”, a spiffy new “historical analysis” outfit. Rather like hauling granny out of the nursing home to get her hair done.


20 posted on 04/11/2011 8:20:17 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: stainlessbanner

6. Yanks on FR hate the concept of a limited FedGov™ and states rights.


21 posted on 04/11/2011 8:20:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I live in the South and can’t stand grits or sweet tea!


22 posted on 04/11/2011 8:20:41 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: smaug6

See now I love shrimp. But I’m not sure that dropping a glop of whitish grainy crud on them would be an improvement.


23 posted on 04/11/2011 8:21:55 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: stainlessbanner
5. Yanks on FR hate sweet tea and grits

Sweet tea is OK but better without the sugar but when it comes to grits... pass the oatmeal. ;-)

24 posted on 04/11/2011 8:22:10 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: stainlessbanner
5. Yanks on FR hate sweet tea and grits

Sweet tea is OK but better without the sugar but when it comes to grits... pass the oatmeal. ;-)

25 posted on 04/11/2011 8:22:23 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: stainlessbanner

You left out Tennessee!


26 posted on 04/11/2011 8:22:45 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: stainlessbanner

No need to get all riled up over that....

Nawth Carolina just IS the best...all others came thru Nawth Carolina fust..


27 posted on 04/11/2011 8:23:32 AM PDT by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: oh8eleven

Ya’ll come on down! We always welcome FReepers!! If you’re looking for some lake front property with some world class fishing, there’s some nice options available at reasonable prices!!


28 posted on 04/11/2011 8:25:45 AM PDT by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I hope she mentions that the Democratic Party supported slavery and its expansion; that southern Democrats played the primary role in secession and the founding of the Confederacy; and that Democrats supported the Ku Klux Klan, segregation, Jim Crow laws, and lynching.


29 posted on 04/11/2011 8:26:19 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Tax-chick
ther than slavery, the issues that precipitated the Civil War are still out there to be dealt with, and most thoughtful people recognize this. It’s not strictly necessary for the things to be viewed through the filter of the Civil War experience, but it’s reasonable that they would, and probably doesn’t do much harm.

I would add that this "unpleasantness" you speak off is the subject de rigor on FREE REPUBLIC, as it should be.

30 posted on 04/11/2011 8:27:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: stainlessbanner

**Yanks on FR hate sweet tea and grits**

that was the most fun ... as a “””YANK””” walking in to a Waffle House, everyone there, of course, noticed immediately. They watched intently hoping to get a Laugh when the YANK tried Grits. So in my thickest Brooklyn Accent I could muster... “Wassamatta, Neva Seen a New Yahwkuh eat GRITS befouh??” Priceless


31 posted on 04/11/2011 8:27:22 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... church of the Perpetually Offended!)
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To: stainlessbanner

1. States Rights.
2. Blacks still enslaved by the Democratic Party.
3. Yankess still invading the South.
4. There still isn’t anything like Southern Sweet Tea.


32 posted on 04/11/2011 8:30:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: stainlessbanner
5. Yanks on FR hate sweet tea and grits

No, we just think y'all talk funny.

;^)

33 posted on 04/11/2011 8:41:20 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: stainlessbanner

I like sweet tea and grits. I also like biscuits and gravy too as well as country/Southern fried anything.


34 posted on 04/11/2011 8:41:49 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: stainlessbanner

Nothing, but nothing, beats the Dinosaur Barbecue originating in, of all places, Syracuse NY and branched into Rochester and Manhattan. Upon moving to GA I was dismayed at the paltry stuff they call “BBQ” in comparison.


35 posted on 04/11/2011 8:44:44 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: MissEdie
Why, thank you MissEdie - ya' can't beat southern hospitality.
Looking south of Myrtle Beach to north of Charleston. No lakes for me - I'm originally from "lawn guyland", brought up at Jones Beach. Would like to get near the ocean again, but oh, those nasty hurricanes.
Yes, I see what's happened to housing prices - all the more reason to buy now. Plus, I don't need a job!
36 posted on 04/11/2011 8:45:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Grunthor

Well, when you fry your bacon[with a little butter and onions] or sausage, save a bit of that grease for the grits.

I use about a Tbsp for my grits since I’m the only one who eats them. Once the water comes to a boil, add it in and then add your grits. Once the grits are done, mix in a bit of your favorite cheese and YUM!


37 posted on 04/11/2011 8:46:57 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: oh8eleven

“I’m a Yank and loooove grits.”

Now I’m hungry! Think I’ll make a big bowl for lunch.


38 posted on 04/11/2011 8:48:23 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: stainlessbanner
5. Yanks on FR hate sweet tea and grits

I don't know if an Oregonian qualifies as a yankee, but if so...YOU TAKE THAT BACK! LOL

I could eat those shrimp grits I ate in Charleston every day!

The left and MSM is pulling out every tired worn out cliche from their playbook to destroy the tea party movement. They're terrified.
39 posted on 04/11/2011 8:52:42 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: ctdonath2
Dinosaur Barbecue ... branched into Rochester
I'm in a Rochester suburb and hit the DB as often as I can. "Finger lickin' goooood."
40 posted on 04/11/2011 8:54:18 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: stainlessbanner

that was a painful read. Of course the first part blamed all of the pre-secession woes on Evangelical Christians and tried to point to todays’ culture wars and religious intolerance as indicators of another coming conflict. Since I just lectured my students on the cycles of history and pointed out to them that talk of polarization in American politics is nothing new, I am going to send the link to them for them to read and discuss.


41 posted on 04/11/2011 9:02:18 AM PDT by Crapgame (What should be taught in our schools? American Exceptionalism, not cultural Marxism...)
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To: Coldwater Creek

“I live in the South and can’t stand grits or sweet tea!”

How about fried pies? Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm!!!


42 posted on 04/11/2011 9:14:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: stainlessbanner

The article is nonsense. What it describes are political battles and arguments that are timeless, not unique to now and the Civil War era.

There is one similarity though: now and during the Civil War era, the Democrats were shameless race baters who exploited race to maintain their power.


43 posted on 04/11/2011 9:17:52 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: stainlessbanner

‘jo momma


44 posted on 04/11/2011 9:18:23 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: stainlessbanner

Wellll, they’re all pretty good, but I like Maurice Bessinger’s BBQ the best!


45 posted on 04/11/2011 9:23:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: gwilhelm56

that was the most fun ... as a “””YANK””” walking in to a Waffle House, everyone there, of course, noticed immediately.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
As a New Yorker (without accent) I had the ‘chickory coffee’ experience in LA back when I was 19 and in the Navy. I ordered coffee black, got a strange look and was asked strong or mild. Being a New York/USN ‘know it all’, “Why STRONG, what do you think”. Wrong answer, but hardheaded me ended up drinking 3 cups of that ‘stuff’ that will show `em.

About the ‘Waffle House’ or ‘all night diner’, even today, in say GA or ALA - when you get (way) off the Interstate you are sure to draw out the local ‘night shift’ PD to ‘get an eye on that flatlander’ etc etc...
I was in Terrell County GA around 3AM and stopped in a local all night eatery wearing my USS Terrell County (LST1157) cap and became ‘quite the celebrity’ after much ‘questioning’ etc...the deputy (and diner) even ended up paying for my breakfast....


46 posted on 04/11/2011 9:24:05 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) When you are right, nobody remembers, but when you are wrong, nobody forgets.)
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To: Little Ray

Piggy Park!


47 posted on 04/11/2011 9:30:52 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Tax-chick

“Other than slavery, the issues that precipitated the Civil War are still out there to be dealt with,”

There are a lot of us who are neo-abolitionists in that we desire to free human beings from the slavery of the Federal welfare, public housing and food stamp plantations.


48 posted on 04/11/2011 9:31:12 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: popdonnelly

Yes, you are correct. Southern Democrats were at the forefront of slavery, secession, the KKK and Jim Crow. Remember, it was West Virginia DEMOCRAT Sen. Robert C. Byrd (Sheets Byrd himself) who tried to stop the Civil Rights Act. Pres. Johnson need A LOT of Republican support to get that bill passed.


49 posted on 04/11/2011 9:32:48 AM PDT by chippewaman
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Good observation - dictators, war, class warfare...certainly not limited to 1860’s America.


50 posted on 04/11/2011 9:34:09 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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