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Hoo Boy, Wisconsin’s Going to Get Uglier
NRO ^ | April 11, 2011 | by Daniel Foster

Posted on 04/11/2011 12:55:37 PM PDT by library user

I heard Ramona Kitzinger, the Democratic observer at the Waukesha County canvass, say on Friday that the numbers announced by county clerk Kathy Nickolaus at the end of the canvass “jibed.” Now, by all appearances, she’s lawyered-up, and released a statement largely recanting her Friday comments and sowing doubt about what Nickolaus may or may not have done with the 15,000 missing votes. The whole thing is worth a read, but this is my favorite part:

“. . . with the enormous amount of attention this has received over the weekend, many people are offering my statements at the press conference that the “numbers jibed” as validation they are correct and I can vouch for their accuracy. As I told Kathy when I was called into the room, I am 80 years old and I don’t understand anything about computers. I don’t know where the numbers Kathy was showing me ultimately came from, but they seemed to add up. I am still very, very confused. . . “

The thing people need to understand about this is that there is — if Nickolaus is telling the truth — a clear chain of custody of the vote numbers in question. The unofficial database sent by Nickolaus to the state the night of the election either has Brookfield votes or it doesn’t. More crucially, Brookfield either sent their vote totals to Nickolaus or they didn’t. If they did, there should be an electronic paper trail and the numbers that came out of Brookfield city hall should match the numbers Nickolaus reported after the canvass. If you still think this was fraud, you’re implicating not just Nickolaus but the city of Brookfield itself.

The other thing to remember is that the discrepancy, as I understand it, is between official and unofficial numbers. The unofficial numbers were wrong. The official ones were right. The unofficial numbers were unofficial precisely because they were electronically transferred from municipalities to the counties and eventually to the state, in large part so that outfits like the Associated Press could call the election on Tuesday night. The official numbers were official precisely because they depended on a thorough examination — observed by Republicans and Democrats — of the actual voting tapes.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: kathynickolaus; ramonakitzinger; waukesha; wisconsinshowdown
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1 posted on 04/11/2011 12:55:44 PM PDT by library user
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To: library user
The unofficial numbers were wrong. The official ones were right.

I remember democrats screaming fraud because exit polls showed Kerry winning.
2 posted on 04/11/2011 12:59:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: library user

It’s the ‘official’ part the socialist-communist-progressive-liberal-democramps don’t like................


3 posted on 04/11/2011 1:00:52 PM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 1,723 threads and 64,113 replies, as of 04-06-2011)
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To: Red Badger

Anything on the news conference they were to hold at 2 PM today?


4 posted on 04/11/2011 1:02:03 PM PDT by bunster
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To: library user

The older I get the more I realize that there are a lot of stupid Americans.


5 posted on 04/11/2011 1:02:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: library user
She sure didn't look confused at that press conference..

She said something like, I'm the democrat chair of the county, if there was something wrong I would say so. Not exact quote mind you.

Don't buy it at all --- seems like someone got to her to "encourage" her to change her story.

6 posted on 04/11/2011 1:02:27 PM PDT by coder2
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To: bunster
That was on a 2010 election finding where illegal contributions were made (to both sides).
7 posted on 04/11/2011 1:03:47 PM PDT by coder2
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To: library user
The unofficial numbers were unofficial precisely because they were electronically transferred from municipalities to the counties and eventually to the state, in large part so that outfits like the Associated Press could call the election on Tuesday night let the RATs know how many votes they'd have to "find" to win.
8 posted on 04/11/2011 1:04:19 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: library user
I heard Ramona Kitzinger, the Democratic observer at the Waukesha County canvass, say on Friday that the numbers announced by county clerk Kathy Nickolaus at the end of the canvass “jibed.” Now, by all appearances, she’s lawyered-up, and released a statement largely recanting her Friday comments and sowing doubt about what Nickolaus may or may not have done with the 15,000 missing votes.

Who cares what Romona thinks about anything? She is simply an observer. Not an official. She's lawyered up? Why? I don't see how her testimony means squat considering there is a paper trail to the votes.

9 posted on 04/11/2011 1:05:17 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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This is a non-story - even the Huffington Post reported the correct numbers that night

http://biggovernment.com/mtrackers/2011/04/11/no-conspiracy-in-wisconsin-supreme-court-election-brookfield-vote-totals-posted-on-election-night-by-aolhuffington-post-reporter/#more-253996

And they were the same returns the city is reporting now that Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus has finally added Brookfield into the countywide returns. That means there’s no big conspiracy – Nickolaus just didn’t pass the returns on to the state and Associated Press on election night as she should have done. No returns or votes “materialized” – they were reported on election night by a site overseen by one of the most prominent liberals in the country.

10 posted on 04/11/2011 1:05:59 PM PDT by porter_knorr (http://tinyurl.com/relief4japan Help for Japan!)
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I dunno, but it probably went about like this..............

11 posted on 04/11/2011 1:06:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 1,723 threads and 64,113 replies, as of 04-06-2011)
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To: library user

Sounds like Ramona just got a hefty off-shore retirement account set up for her.


12 posted on 04/11/2011 1:06:26 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: coder2

again I will GO ON RECORD saying “THIS election will ALSO be stolen from right under our NOSES!” The FIX IS IN...bank on it...it’s a DONE DEAL! BUT, I’d gladly to EAT CROW with Hot Sauce if I’m wrong!


13 posted on 04/11/2011 1:06:40 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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Good heavens, she’s lawyered UP?? Has Nickolous retained an attorney? The first read of this “statement” caused me to think an 80 year old lady had help in writing it.

The entire thing should be easily verifiable, it seems to me. Having somebody who understands computer software might help.


14 posted on 04/11/2011 1:07:20 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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Kathy Nickolaus is a great American. If she did what I think she did...report 1,500 and hold back the 15,000, then she is a genius. Prosser was ahead by 742 votes, and the Dems did exactly what they did in Franken, Gregoire, et al: found just enough votes to miraculously put them up by 2-300 “votes”. By holding back, Nickolaus forced the Dems to shoot their cheating wad, and then put it far out of reach. FINALLY the GOP learns (again, if my belief-and hope-is correct).


15 posted on 04/11/2011 1:07:56 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: library user
It's my understanding that these are actual proven votes. They just were not properly sent in for the official counting.

Can anyone who lives there update this story?

16 posted on 04/11/2011 1:08:22 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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But I thought the whole thing was to be decided on a coin toss? At least that's what a $125,000 per year polisci professor declared at the UW system in Madison as published in the Journal Sentinel editorial section.

The prestige of the UW isn't much more credible than a coin toss, so I can see the line of reasoning.

17 posted on 04/11/2011 1:09:46 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: cripplecreek

Juan the crash dummy insisted that the actual presidential votes were wrong and the exit polls were correct.


18 posted on 04/11/2011 1:11:34 PM PDT by Carley (UNION AGITATORS, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: library user
This kinda stuff keeps up and we are going to half to change our flag.


19 posted on 04/11/2011 1:11:55 PM PDT by McGruff (There is no such a thing as bad publicity)
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To: bunster

Had to do with some business owner repaying employees for political contributions. Most to Walker. although once he found out he retuened the $$


20 posted on 04/11/2011 1:12:44 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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