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Democrat on Waukesha County vote panel speaks out - "jibe" dem back peddles
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 4/11/11 | Laurel Walker

Posted on 04/11/2011 2:49:29 PM PDT by Jean S

Waukesha - The Democrat on the Waukesha County Board of Canvassers who was widely quoted as endorsing Waukesha County's official ballot count that flipped the Supreme Court winner last week has more to say.

The Waukesha County Democrat Party released a statement Monday ascribed to Ramona Kitzinger, 80, a member of the canvassing board since 2004.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: rulesforradicals; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 04/11/2011 2:49:39 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

When will they accept they lost?


2 posted on 04/11/2011 2:55:52 PM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Jean S

It Begins!


3 posted on 04/11/2011 2:57:22 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Jean S

When the communists hand you the play book, you play by it.
What theatre!


4 posted on 04/11/2011 2:58:02 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Jean S

I see the ‘boys’ talked to her.


5 posted on 04/11/2011 2:58:35 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Red_Devil 232

That poor lady, she’s 80 years old and they’ve thrown her under the bus.


6 posted on 04/11/2011 2:59:09 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Why does it seem that people go out of their way to minimize the value of their excerpts?

They give us 300 words — we should use them to get across the point of the article.

Anyway, the jist of the article is that the democrats told the 80-year-old to write something damaging, so she did.

But if you read the entire article, what you find is that this democrat is confused as to why “nothing” came up in canvasssing about a “15,000-vote” error.

Of course, the reason nothing came up in canvassing is because there was never a 15,000-vote error in the vote tabulation. There were in fact SOME errors in vote reporting, with a couple hundred votes switching back and forth, or being added or subtracted, as they canvassed the precincts comparing the reported totals against a re-evaluation of the actual data.

But obviously, when they looked at the city numbers, the 15,000 votes they found matched the 15,000 votes that were REPORTED.

Because the problem with that city wasn’t an ERROR in the report, it was a failure to transmit the report. The City didn’t mistakenly report 0 votes, they correctly reported the votes, but someone forgot to send them on. That’s not an “error” that a canvassing board corrects, because the canvassing board is checking individual results against what was reported.

It is pretty much assumed that as the canvassing board completes each area, they then officially send the numbers. If absolutely NO numbers had been reported before canvassing started, there would still be NO canvassing errors related to the lack of reporting — just good numbers being reported from canvassing.

In my opinion, that might be a better way to do things in places where they are so incompetent they can’t seem to report things correctly.

It’s not a big deal in more modern places where they have figured out how to do fancy cutting and pasting.


7 posted on 04/11/2011 2:59:28 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: therightliveswithus

>>>When will they accept they lost?

Never.


8 posted on 04/11/2011 3:00:24 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Sorry Charles but Righthaven is suing private posters on websites that have already settled with them. I’m not taking any chances.


9 posted on 04/11/2011 3:01:41 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Is this woman senile, or has someone been threatening her grandchildren?


10 posted on 04/11/2011 3:02:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Brown Deer; afraidfortherepublic

Ping


11 posted on 04/11/2011 3:07:31 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

....who was widely quoted ....

She said it LIVE on a televised Press Conference. The paper makes it sound like it was some kind of popular hearsay. Play the *()() tape.

She was widely quoted because she was quotable.

Poor thing, I honored her for her ernestnest in the press conference.


12 posted on 04/11/2011 3:09:24 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Jean S
The dems are grasping at straws. Either the votes were real or they weren't, and virtually no one disputes that they were real, otherwise they would have to make the ludicrous argument that absolutely 0 people in one large town voted. The only dispute is why they weren't originally added to the count when they were tallied. A question that might impact future count procedures but will have absolutely no effect on the count, unless the dems are actually dumb enough to try to argue that 14,000+ voters should be disenfranchised because of a minor posting error that occurred BEFORE the vote was certified (which is why the counties are given time to make corrections before certification). In other words, it should quickly get laughed out of court if they even bothered to try.
13 posted on 04/11/2011 3:12:20 PM PDT by apillar
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To: smokingfrog

She seemed perfectly coherent when she said the “numbers jibed” last week, but I suspect she’s had some help from SEIU and AFCSME thugs in dis-remembering over the weekend. The poor lady is going to see another whole side of her Party.

Her job is to create doubt and confusion so the Smarter People can step in and take it from here.


14 posted on 04/11/2011 3:12:35 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: Jean S

Here’s the latest from the state election blog. The State official says the votes are there, always have been. The Clerk just screwed up in what was reported to AP, which when you think about it - who gives a rip?

GAB Director Kevin Kennedy says the agency’s investigation of spring election procedures in Waukesha County remains ongoing, but that the final canvass numbers in the city of Brookfield match the initial tallies from poll workers on Election Night.

“We don’t see, at this point, any criminal activity, but we certainly see practices that need to be changed to bolster public confidence,” Kennedy said.

GAB staff is now the process of matching those numbers for all Waukesha County wards after Brookfield ballots were mistakenly left out of Election Night returns from the county clerk. The numbers tentatively turned a razor-thin lead for Supreme Court candidate JoAnne Kloppenburg into a margin of more than 7,000 votes in favor of incumbent Justice David Prosser.

Kennedy also said GAB staff is reviewing Election Night practices in the county, saying he hopes to give the public and the press greater access to the county’s results and break them down by voting precinct so that the 24 voting wards in Brookfield wouldn’t be overlooked in future elections.

Kennedy also said the Milwaukee County canvass likely won’t be done until Wednesday.


15 posted on 04/11/2011 3:16:52 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: therightliveswithus

When the press starts to laugh at them.


16 posted on 04/11/2011 3:18:19 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Jean S

Jibe talkin’.


17 posted on 04/11/2011 3:19:14 PM PDT by Crawdad
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To: Jean S

He’s getting phone calls fron all the Dem Orgs threatening his family, I’m sure.
Remember what the Democrats did to the county clerk from 2000?

You REALLY don’t want to be a Democrat that becomes an enemy of the Obamunist State right now.


18 posted on 04/11/2011 3:19:37 PM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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To: Jean S
That poor lady, she’s 80 years old and they’ve thrown her under the bus.

Everyone's expendable for the "cause."

19 posted on 04/11/2011 3:20:49 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: therightliveswithus
When will they accept they lost?

You talking about Florida?

20 posted on 04/11/2011 3:22:30 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: Jean S
I believe the Dem strategy is not necessarily to win this “recount”. No vote fraud took place and they know it. They are trying to create the impression that the election was stolen in order to motivate their recall effort. It's all they have left, and they know if they can't pull that off, Wisconsin will be used as a template for the rest of the states to roll back public employee unions.

They're fighting for their very existence. The facts are irrelevant.

21 posted on 04/11/2011 3:25:00 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: bigbob

When will the rank and file Democrats figure out that being a part of the Democrat party is effectively being a member of the mob? One would think that the close affiliation with the unions, would be a clear indication, but maybe they think that the protection only works one way. Someone should remind them that more mobsters are murdered by their peers than by the other side. The Democrats are never friends, they are only pretending to be so that they can get something.


22 posted on 04/11/2011 3:25:00 PM PDT by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: bigbob
Kennedy also said the Milwaukee County canvass likely won’t be done until Wednesday.

Uh oh.

23 posted on 04/11/2011 3:25:32 PM PDT by Defiant (When Democrats lose voters, they manufacture new voters instead of convincing the existing voters.)
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To: Jean S

I notice the majority of the comments are pro Republican...that is good!


24 posted on 04/11/2011 3:27:25 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: fwdude
The Dem's will never accept this . So what . The State will certify the win and Walker will move on to next item .Let them spend millions of union money on this . They got punked with national coverage . Now it's about face saving jive and eating their own. The mask is off the thugs have been demystified. The bonus , the hag claimed the win on TV . Ha !
25 posted on 04/11/2011 3:29:12 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: Jean S
I'll stick with her first response. I hope she hasn't lived 80 years to sell her soul to the highest bidder.

Ramona Kitzinger, the Democratic member of the county board of canvass, defended the process. She agreed with Nickolaus that the board "went over everything and made sure that all the numbers jived up, and they did."

"I'm the Democratic vice chair of Waukesha County, so I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true," Kitzinger said.

26 posted on 04/11/2011 3:29:32 PM PDT by swheats (All stop. Forward rudder)
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To: Jean S
Is there any explanation for this AP link, in the original election thread, that even now a week after the election and many days after the Brookfield correction, shows kloppenvotestealer still in the lead?

Wisconsin - County Vote Results

County Precincts D. Prosser (i) J. Kloppenburg

Total 3630/3630 739,886 50% 740,090 50%

27 posted on 04/11/2011 3:29:59 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: therightliveswithus

They never concede they just muddle on till the next election... We on the other hand, are most willing to concede... if your gunna win against cheats, you’d better be willing “ get a little bloody” to borrow their phraseology.


28 posted on 04/11/2011 3:30:29 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
EVERY Waukesha County vote is backed up with a hard copy paper vote. Sorry, rats, you lose.
29 posted on 04/11/2011 3:32:17 PM PDT by JPG ("2012 Can't Come Soon Enough" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Wpin
I notice the majority of the comments are pro Republican...that is good!

I've been noticing that, too, as well as the higher ratings for these comments to boot. The Leftists don't have a rational leg to stand on.

30 posted on 04/11/2011 3:33:03 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: Jean S

I like this new technique of “zero-reporting” strongly conservative areas until just before the vote certification.

Some precincts/areas always seem to lag behind in reporting their votes, until they know how many “votes” are needed to swing an election. Waukesha is counted as “reported” and no one notices that their report did not increment the statewide counters. Then, when it is too late for the Dim precincts to “update” their vote totals, Waukesha comes up with their confirmed numbers. Thereby reducing opportunity for election theft.

I recall the 2008 Dim primary in Indiana. The East Chicago/Gary/Hammond votes did not come in until very late in the evening; after it had been determined that Hillary had won with more than 100K vote margin. If it had been closer, then it might have gone the other way with “found” votes coming in from that area.


31 posted on 04/11/2011 3:34:38 PM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy, backed by Governmental authority. [I'm green; are you?])
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To: Jean S
"Victor Weers, chairman of the Waukesha County Democratic Party, said that because of national attention to Kitzinger's statement and angry emails, party members talked to Kitzinger and solicited more details. The words in the statement are her own, Weers said."

This should say it all.

They "got" to her.

32 posted on 04/11/2011 3:36:46 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: fantom

Yes, we can well afford to let them wallow in their angry pity party, squandering more of their armory, while we move forward with the business to be done. Let ‘em beat up on an old lady - the truth will eventually come out about the “talk” they had with her, and I’m going to enjoy her story.


33 posted on 04/11/2011 3:39:50 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: tpmintx; All

“I recall the 2008 Dim primary in Indiana. The East Chicago/Gary/Hammond votes did not come in until very late in the evening; after it had been determined that Hillary had won with more than 100K vote margin. If it had been closer, then it might have gone the other way with “found” votes coming in from that area.”

And the DEMOCRAT Mayor of Valpo (Hillary supporter) going on CNN and saying the fix was in in Gary, that’s why they were holding back vote returns.


34 posted on 04/11/2011 3:42:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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To: tpmintx
I like this new technique of “zero-reporting” strongly conservative areas until just before the vote certification.

Yes, I do, too. Keep 'em guessing. An incredibly shrewd strategy.

35 posted on 04/11/2011 3:42:56 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: Jean S

Jean, I understand that Milwaukee canvass results aren’t in yet....any concerns being circulated among WI conservatives about that?

Thanks in advance to any who have good info, will check back later.


36 posted on 04/11/2011 3:44:51 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Milwaukee County results are still not in yet but Prosser can’t lose now. Even Milwaukee can’t come up with an extra 7000 votes.
The lack of the reporting is odd though.


37 posted on 04/11/2011 3:48:27 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The unions are all in on this even when it comes to intimidating an 80-year-old lady. Last gasp and sickening.


38 posted on 04/11/2011 3:56:22 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: tcrlaf

The Region just being the Region.


39 posted on 04/11/2011 3:57:11 PM PDT by technically right
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To: Jean S

Today, Charlie Sykes was discussing “tipping point” and and surmised that perhaps he was overusing that phrase. A caller chimed in and offered the phrase “saturation point” describing how most people in Wisconsin are feeling about this constant agiprop.

I have sat in on Boards of Canvass as an observor and nobody there needs to know anything about computers. They just double check the numbers and recount the ballots, if necessary.


40 posted on 04/11/2011 4:09:24 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Jean S

You can always tell a Democrat, but you can never tell them much.


41 posted on 04/11/2011 4:13:41 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Jean S
Reporters and newspapers are not merely observers in this chain of events...they are key to the true story. Yet, we know nothing about the AP reporter who made the real error of not noticing that no one voted in the city of Brookfield. We know nothing about other reporters who received the Brookfield tallies the night of the election, yet there were others. Why are they so silent when they could have settled a lot of this story last week?
42 posted on 04/11/2011 4:14:19 PM PDT by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: Jean S

Has anyone considered that the circus in Waukesha is a diversion from Milwaukee County shenanigans?


43 posted on 04/11/2011 4:20:58 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: fwdude

Milwaukee County still hasn’t reported, which is suspicious, but I can’t see them coming up with an extra 7000 votes to overturn Prosser’s win.


44 posted on 04/11/2011 4:23:50 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Let’s hope you’re right. But if they can get within striking distance, they can make up a lot of ‘votes’ statewide.


45 posted on 04/11/2011 4:32:37 PM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: fwdude
Let’s hope you’re right.

Please let me be right! This is a fight to the death with the public employee unions in WI.

Milwaukee County has not officially reported their vote count yet, nearly a week later, and no results yet.

46 posted on 04/11/2011 4:43:21 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

She is basically saying that she would have liked advance notice about the difference before walking into a meeting and having to talk with the press.


47 posted on 04/11/2011 4:44:04 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Defiant

LookLookLookLookLook and the 28,000 Kloppenhag Votes we found at the Zoo. YAY!!!


48 posted on 04/11/2011 4:44:15 PM PDT by Shady (Our quest is to rebuild the United States of America as it was founded by the Founders!)
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To: Jean S; All
"Victor Weers, chairman of the Waukesha County Democratic Party, said that because of national attention to Kitzinger's statement and angry emails, party members talked to Kitzinger and solicited more details. The words in the statement are her own, Weers said."

And so are the words spoken by a hostage. /s

49 posted on 04/11/2011 5:13:37 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama & Reid: for the debt ceiling before they were against it.)
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