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FACT CHECK: Are federal workers overpaid? [retread zot]
AP ^ | 4/7/11 | Sam Hananel

Posted on 04/11/2011 3:26:07 PM PDT by Got Long Form?

Republican leaders in Congress think so, and they are calling for an overhaul of the entire federal pay system to help slash government spending.

Democrats and other defenders of the government work force say federal workers are actually underpaid compared with their private counterparts.

A closer look at the data shows that both sides have a point but that supporters of federal workers are a bit closer to reality....

That argument is backed up by a 2002 study of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. It found that federal salaries for most professional and administrative jobs lagged well behind compensation offered in the private sector.

The CBO study concluded that the best way to measure the difference is to compare government jobs with those in the private sector that match the actual work performed. The CBO found that salaries for 85 percent of federal workers in professional and administrative jobs lagged their private sector counterparts by more than 20 percent.

Among lawyers, for example, the average pay in the federal government was about $127,500 a year in 2009, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The average lawyer in the private sector earned $137,540. And the starting salary at large law firms in Washington, D.C. -- where most government lawyers work -- is $160,000, and can grow to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, according to the National Association for Law Placement....

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bureaucracy; civilservice; dc; employees; factcheck; federal; federalemployees; federalworkers; gravytrain; nomenklatura; overpaid; pseudoscience; unions
The underlying problem with government is that it uses a one-size-fits-all model that generally doesn't fit anybody.

The result is that the government's pay rates are too low to attract competent scientists and engineers. As a result, we get hacks and policies based on pseudo-scientific twaddle like "global warming". Similarly, we have hack lawyers generating policy based on ignorance of fundamental points of American jurisprudence and Constitutional law.

1 posted on 04/11/2011 3:26:14 PM PDT by Got Long Form?
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To: Got Long Form?

Too many government leeches.

We need a good old fashioned doggie butt drag across the carpet to scrape the parasites off.


2 posted on 04/11/2011 3:28:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Got Long Form?

The study they quote is almost 10 years old.


3 posted on 04/11/2011 3:28:49 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat
The study they quote is almost 10 years old.

I'm pretty sure the situation hasn't changed; if anything, it's gotten worse in terms of being able to get competent people.

4 posted on 04/11/2011 3:30:12 PM PDT by Got Long Form?
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To: Got Long Form?

Welcome to FR


5 posted on 04/11/2011 3:30:23 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Got Long Form?
YES
6 posted on 04/11/2011 3:31:30 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: expatpat

Beat me to it. If they are so underpaid then WHY, pray tell, are my coworkers desperate to land a gummint job?


7 posted on 04/11/2011 3:31:30 PM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: Got Long Form?
Complete nonsense. That they have to go back 9 years to find a study that validates their preconceived dogmas should make any thinking Freeper laugh their butt off.

Sorry, it not 2002, it is now 2011. It is completely irrational to think a 2002 study has any validity concerning current compensation for Federal employees.

8 posted on 04/11/2011 3:33:53 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Got Long Form?

LMAO!

First Fact Check is ran by a bunch of Leftist... So the credibility of this is extremely low. They should change their name to half the facts with a lot of spin.

Second, most of the government civilian employees are a waste of money and could never earn that type of money in the private sector. Over half of the civilian government jobs are for people that could never make it in the private sector. They are just Leaches off the tax payer. I know a few federal government workers in different departments and you would be shocked of what I have heard. They even admit it. It’s sad.

Here you want to see these Leaches at work, then just look at this link,

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


9 posted on 04/11/2011 3:35:31 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Got Long Form?
Howz' 'bout we look at it from a different angle . . . "Are there too many federal workers."

If I'm not mistaken, there are more people working in the Dept. of Agriculture than there are farmers in this nation.

10 posted on 04/11/2011 3:35:36 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Got Long Form?
FACT CHECK: Are federal workers overpaid?

And ............. Are there too many of them?

11 posted on 04/11/2011 3:35:43 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Got Long Form?

Do I understand correctly that gov’t workers get the Cadillac health insurance? How many non-gov’t workers does Obama give that one to? NONE!


12 posted on 04/11/2011 3:37:04 PM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Huh? The specific figures cited are from 2009.


13 posted on 04/11/2011 3:37:17 PM PDT by Got Long Form?
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To: kitkat

They get waivers from Obammycare.


14 posted on 04/11/2011 3:38:27 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: umgud
FACT CHECK: Are federal workers overpaid? And ............. Are there too many of them?

YES & YES!

AND, if they all took two days off without pay we could pay down the debt!

15 posted on 04/11/2011 3:38:37 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Got Long Form?

First day poster....

There’s a reason you can’t find competent people to work for the government and it isn’t just about pay scales. You have to have a certain mindset to do it. It isn’t the least bit comparable to the real world.


16 posted on 04/11/2011 3:38:57 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Got Long Form?; All
That argument is backed up by a 2002 study of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. It found that federal salaries for most professional and administrative jobs lagged well behind compensation offered in the private sector.

Oh yes, definitely. There has been NO CHANGE in the past 2 years regarding the federal work force, so yes, definitely, let's rely on a NINE YEAR OLD STUDY...which probably used stats from THREE OR FOUR YEARS BEFORE THAT!

Here is a headline for ya:

FACT CHECK: Are AP reporters drooling idiots?

answer: yes.

17 posted on 04/11/2011 3:41:32 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Got Long Form?
Perhaps, but salary is just on aspect.

I have two friends that graduated from college (around 2000) with degrees in Accounting. Both moved to the DC metro area. Friend #1 got hired by a private accounting firm, the other got a job with the federal government as a GS-09. Right out of the gate the friend in the private sector was making $50K, while the one in the Government was making $35K. However, after 5 years the gap had narrowed considerably. The private sector friend was making $80K, but the government friend was now a GS-13 making $72K. However, salary wasn't the whole story, the private sector friend worked a 50-60 hour week, while the government friend NEVER worked more than a 40 hour week. Long story short, the private sector friend realized the grass was greener on the other side and ended up with the federal government as well. Now they are both GS-14 making over $100K a year.

18 posted on 04/11/2011 3:42:47 PM PDT by apillar
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To: mgstarr

Got long form is dead.


19 posted on 04/11/2011 3:43:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Got Long Form?
Yesterday at Target I ran into a lady who works for the post office as a writer, whatever that is? She was the gabby type and wasn't going to slow her down with questions. She told me that they eleiminated her job on January 1st, but they still pay her her wages while they decide what to do? They offered her the same job in Philadelphia but she doesn't want to move because "they won't pay for everything in the move".

So she just goes to her office every day and does nothing.

I find it hard to think that I have this uncanny ability to find people in public places working for the government who do nothing. I know of five in the past six months and that does not include the two relatives I have who admit to doing close to nothing. My mother in law thinks those are the successful ones, because they are always available to go shopping and to lunch during the work-week.

20 posted on 04/11/2011 3:44:07 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Got Long Form?
If you all are so competent and valuable, why aren't all you Government employees going out and getting those good high paying private sector jobs instead “suffering” with that sub par Government pay?
21 posted on 04/11/2011 3:45:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Graybeard58
Ha! and so he is.

I wonder what indispensable, over-achieving, underpaid government department he works in.

22 posted on 04/11/2011 3:45:56 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Got Long Form?
If you all are so competent and valuable, why aren't all you Government employees going out and getting those good high paying private sector jobs instead “suffering” with that sub par Government pay?
23 posted on 04/11/2011 3:45:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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